Typhon Training

[Mark]

http://www.southperry.net/Pictures/Masteria/Mobs/9400574.png
Typhon
Level: 100
HP: 56000
MP: 230
EXP: 3200
Physical Attack: 270
Physical Defense: 500
Magic Attack: 400
Magic Defense: 450
Avoid: 40

Elements: immune to ice, immune to poison

So, I was up by the Typhon maps today so I could finish the Mark of Heroism quest, and I found that Typhons are actually very good EXP. I wasn't up there long, maybe 20 minutes or so, but I managed to pull in 3% at 142. The spawn is pretty crazy like Gryphons down in NLC, and you rarely have to move to be able to Erupt/Rain a big mob.

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4769/610020004nb7.png (http://imageshack.us)

The blue circle shows where I was standing. There's a patch of thorns there to protect you against the Typhon KB. So all in all, you're only taking about 8-400 damage at any given time. Basically all you do is spam Eruption/Rain to reel them in as they fly by. It's great stuff. Also, the green circle show where the Baby Typhons are. If you've been up there, you know just how good they are. (EDIT: With the recent Server Check Baby Typhons are now fixed...so don't expect a lot of scrolls anymore.)


The Good:
Fast spawn (Especially if you're sharing the map.)
Low touch damage.
Good drops.

The Bad:
Super KB will send you flying back to the Jump Quest.

I highly recommend finishing the Mark of Heroism quest if you're going to train there. It makes the Jump Quest a whole lot easier in case you get sent flying.

[Dusk]

I only got knocked down to the JQ twice in over an hour of being there. And instead of standing only in that one spot, I went around and hit the other two eggs as well (Well, mostly the one directly above those two, the other one's a pain in the ass to reach.)

It's best if you're 10x+, because 56k hp using mob attacks is quite a lot to deal with even with SE at 12x D: The experience is decent. I haven't recorded any numbers, though. The real motivation to train here is the drops from Baby Typhons. In about an hour, I got 3 70% xbow, 2 70% top str, 5 70% 1h axe, 4 30% helm def (3 worked on my chief stan before the 4th broke it, lol), tobis, and some various crap i threw away. I also found something from Typhons, but I forget what it was D:

I have some tips:

Use Puppet! Getting kicked off while trying to loot a scroll is the most annoying thing ever. Also, mobbing a Puppeted mob with Inferno is cheaper than standing and tanking 400 damage.
Don't use Hawk/Eagle. I had Hawk running for a few minutes, and I couldn't get the mobs to come back up after being stunned D: Phoenix is fine, Frostprey is fine but won't do any damage.
Keep lots of Use space open (like 8+). You want those scrolls and stars without having to drop other crap every time.

[chrome]

And I was just getting to making a thread about this...well, I don't know if it's exactly viable for lower 9x, but I was gonna ask if any higher level could judge the level range.

[Technolink]

At lvl 101 I was fine. Just like pirates, it doesn't matter how many hit it takes to kill them, as long as you get the good exp.

A early 9x with max Ae/r should get fine exp here.

[aznegglover]

What's so great about baby Typhons?

[Mark]

They drop scrolls and Tobis like candy.

The most notable scrolls are: 70% Crossbow, 70% Topwear STR. Rest are DEF and the one odd HP scroll.

[chrome]

One thing I have to say after trying these out: Wow.

Using a Painkiller (30 minutes) to time, I gained roughly 16% in a span of half an hour. That's 32% an hour; I was KBed to the left stair-like platforms several times (About 5 times if I counted right), and even fell off the whole map once, so I assume that if I hadn't fallen off the map, I would get maybe 34% an hour. I'm level 91 with level 25 Eruption. I accidentally copied over my "before" screenshot, so I can't provide screenshot proof now, but next time I get to training there, I certainly will.

A few more tips from me, after spending about 45 minutes there:

-Since Typhons have a fairly long KB, your Eruption/Rain KB will keep them flinching long enough so that they will rarely have a chance to super-KB you.
-You want to be facing left when you Erupt/Rain so that they are KBed to the left, so that if you are super-KBed, you will fly to the right, safely into the wall.
-Their super-KB, in turn, stuns you for about a second or two, leaving you open to more attacks. Try to get out of this and react as quickly as possible to avoid this.
-Use Inferno or Blizzard along with Eruption/Rain to lure the Typhons to you if they are too far away for Eruption/Rain to reach. Typhons are immune to ice, so you won't have to worry about them freezing.
-Sometimes they decide to be faggots and stay at the top of the map, so occasionally (And I did this like, twice) you will have to climb up the rope to lure the Typhons back down.
-If you do what I mentioned above, do NOT try to kill the Typhons while you're on the top/middle of the map, as you have no wall to protect you if they super-KB you, and you might fall off the map/fall far from your regular spot.
-You WILL gobble up HP pots like a paper shredder training here, but:
-The heavy money drops cover a lot of the price, plus the surplus of scrolls from Baby Typhons you might be able to sell for a quick buck.
-Baby Typhons can and will stun you if you get close when you try to loot, so be careful.
-Try to loot only when you don't have any Typhons agro'd towards you, othwerise throw out a Puppet whenever you loot. (lol as if this wasn't already instinct)
-Pots: I'd probably recommend something like Barbs to heal you every three Typhon hits. The little spike doesn't do much to protect you; you're hit by the Typhon much more often. They hump you for about 400 to 500 damage depending on equips.

To sum it all up, training here is like a high-level version of both Gryphons and Pirates; high money drops, heavy pot usage. It's great exp though, possibly the best pre-Newtie (The exp might even be comparable to Newties, I don't know rates on them though) Bowman training out there. The only real problem is getting here for those who struggle with the JQ; even getting to the JQ might be a problem due to our low HP, but it's well worth it.

EDIT: Drops, after 45ish minutes of training, probably more, I stopped timing after the painreliever ran out. I started at 46% btw. As you can probably tell, I gushed all my pots out of my ass. Went from 371 Barbs to 2. MP wasn't much of a problem though, started at something around 400. I didn't really keep track. (Next time I test this I promise I'll be more organized :f3:) Used an Elixir the whole time.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a336/blazemstr34/typhons1.png
Scrolls are Helm DEF, Topwear STR, Bottomwear HP, Cape DEF, Cape HP, Crossbow ATT, in that order. About 15 of those Showa Milks dropped.

Skills: 3 Puppet, 1 Blizzard, 30 Strafe, 25 AE, 5 MB.

[IsaacGS]

hmm... I've been doing this differently than everyone else, it seems. I stand where that cave is, against the wall, so that the typhon can't knock me off. that way drops won't fall away or anything, either.

[chrome]

Forgot to add (In response to Isaac), the money drops will fall on the platform you stand on, where Mark said he was standing in his post. You wanna pin yourself to the little ledge on the right.

[ChaosCorpse]

During 1 4 hour 2x period with 20 mins of which being 4x, I earned 165% there. Granted I was talking here and there and I fell maybe a dozen or so times (I finished the quests though so there is no trouble getting back). And I went to repot twice during that time so I know it can be faster. It took me from lvl 98-100. I know I haven't trained seriously in ages, but this seems really fast.

[Retalion]

hmm... I've been doing this differently than everyone else, it seems. I stand where that cave is, against the wall, so that the typhon can't knock me off. that way drops won't fall away or anything, either.

Wouldnt standing at the cave entrance mean you're not killing the eggs (which drop most of the scrolls)? I just use the stand in the middle method.

I was there for 3-4 hours today and found 11 tobis, 21 70% topwear str, 70 30% helm def, 24 30% bottomwear hp, 49 70% cape def (or mag def), 49 70% xbow attack, 60 70% 1h axe, 2 nimble wristguards and some of the other junk.

Things to chime in:

1. You dont need to bring a lot of pots. They drop alot of food that heals 1.5k and I was able to survive on those for a good hour (on 100) before having to use the barbs that I brought.
2. Noobs (Some are high levels but its pathetic they have to use the "chief bandit" approach to goby maps method) annoy the hell outta me here. You'd see a good 5-10 people on your map every minute (no exaggeration). Some have the courtesy to just break the top egg and leave when they see you at middle. There were a few pathetic bastards who'd break the 2 eggs on the platform I was raining on even after seeing me there.
3. Super PKB is REALLY annoying. Standing on the spikes/thorns usually saves you from that but regardless, its really annoying, especially in a full world like Scania where you lose your map when you get super pkb'd.

Edit: At 128 with mediocre equips (I dont have an overall no more), I was getting roughly 6-7%/hr (about 1-1.2% every 10 minutes), and this is with a super pkb about every 10-15 minutes (I fail >_>).

So yeah, I made around 100 mill there today, lololo. (Even though 30% helm def only sell for like 100k, 70 of them = 7 mill xD)

Edit 2: I dont know if anyone's noticed, but when I went up to mob them and brought them down to that ledge with 2 eggs, if I had previously casted a puppet, they dont go after me but the puppet, even if the puppet was cast before aggro'ing them, meaning they maybe react strangely to puppet.

[SuperNerd]

Wouldnt standing at the cave entrance mean you're not killing the eggs (which drop most of the scrolls)? I just use the stand in the middle method.

I was there for 3-4 hours today and found 11 tobis, 21 70% topwear str, 70 30% helm def, 24 30% bottomwear hp, 49 70% cape def (or mag def), 49 70% xbow attack, 60 70% 1h axe, 2 nimble wristguards and some of the other junk.

Things to chime in:

1. You dont need to bring a lot of pots. They drop alot of food that heals 1.5k and I was able to survive on those for a good hour (on 100) before having to use the barbs that I brought.
2. Noobs (Some are high levels but its pathetic they have to use the "chief bandit" approach to goby maps method) annoy the hell outta me here. You'd see a good 5-10 people on your map every minute (no exaggeration). Some have the courtesy to just break the top egg and leave when they see you at middle. There were a few pathetic bastards who'd break the 2 eggs on the platform I was raining on even after seeing me there.
3. Super PKB is REALLY annoying. Standing on the spikes/thorns usually saves you from that but regardless, its really annoying, especially in a full world like Scania where you lose your map when you get super pkb'd.

Edit: At 128 with mediocre equips (I dont have an overall no more), I was getting roughly 6-7%/hr (about 1-1.2% every 10 minutes), and this is with a super pkb about every 10-15 minutes (I fail >_>).

So yeah, I made around 100 mill there today, lololo. (Even though 30% helm def only sell for like 100k, 70 of them = 7 mill xD)

Edit 2: I dont know if anyone's noticed, but when I went up to mob them and brought them down to that ledge with 2 eggs, if I had previously casted a puppet, they dont go after me but the puppet, even if the puppet was cast before aggro'ing them, meaning they maybe react strangely to puppet.

Jesus, this place sounds wonderful. 'Tis a shame I have to wait until at least 90 before attempting it.

[Russt]

If you leave the game, do you respawn in the same map?

The esc-up-enter technique may be of use if so, in the case of super KB.

[Mark]

You could just make your way to the cave and log out there. It's a bit safer I'd imagine.

Everyone else has made some good points about this map. The good far outweighs the bad.

[Dusk]

The pots are not an issue if you're 4th job and/or you kill them fairly quickly. I used less than 20 Ice Creams in an hour.

[Technolink]

You could just make your way to the cave and log out there. It's a bit safer I'd imagine.

Everyone else has made some good points about this map. The good far outweighs the bad.

Sap is saying mid-super kb flight, you could just log off the game, log back on, and still be in the map!

And Jack, That was discovered long ago, if you have a puppet out and you go out of its range (you know, as if it was another player, when you can't see that player's red dot, that range), and you come back into it with a monster, they are agroed towards the puppet.

This was used heavily at DTs in a previous life, lol.

[Retalion]

Sap is saying mid-super kb flight, you could just log off the game, log back on, and still be in the map!

And Jack, That was discovered long ago, if you have a puppet out and you go out of its range (you know, as if it was another player, when you can't see that player's red dot, that range), and you come back into it with a monster, they are agroed towards the puppet.

This was used heavily at DTs in a previous life, lol.

Yeah... I never knew that xD

The thing with logging out and in is that it might take more time to do that than to teleport through the maps back to it. I can get back in around 20-30 seconds. relogging takes what? 15? Its not really worth it for that meager of a difference, not to mention have to recast attack pots and whatnot.

[Rei]

I always kinda sat there and Erupted.
Never thought it'd actually be suitable for training.

Guess CWK isn't completely useless exp-wise.
:D

[Technolink]

Yeah... I never knew that xD

The thing with logging out and in is that it might take more time to do that than to teleport through the maps back to it. I can get back in around 20-30 seconds. relogging takes what? 15? Its not really worth it for that meager of a difference, not to mention have to recast attack pots and whatnot.

Do you have the mark of heroism?

It takes me a good 3 minutes to get back, mostly climbing up ascent.

[Russt]

Yeah, Mark of Heroism makes the return a lot easier, but without it, the log off trick would help.
(If it works.)

[Technolink]

Yeah, Mark of Heroism makes the return a lot easier, but without it, the log off trick would help.
(If it works.)

I'm sure it would. After getting super kbed, there's a good second where I'm just like "Aww shyt", I could be esc+up+entering during that time.

[chrome]

Logging off really helps, it takes me about 10 seconds to relog and spawn at the top of the map again. Only problem would be logging off with low HP, but that's not really a problem since Typhons do low damage.

[Itay]

Opeth, How the hell did you get 3% in 20 minutes? Did you just stand without moving or did you mob them? Because in an hour of standing in one place without moving at all I gained 7% o_o at level 125

[Mark]

I was sharing the map with someone so it was a constant swarm of Typhons heading towards me. Other times the Sin would bring his mob towards me so he could hit his Eggs in peace. :f3:

[ChaosCorpse]

One more thing I would like to mention on these.
There were occasions where the spawn slowed down and I found out why and a way to fix it. As some people have noticed there is a platform on the bottom of the map that you can stay on by using a pot/pet food trick (if you jump from there you will be warped though) and essentially, a large mob slowly develops on the bottom. In order to get that spawn to rise and get myself a good 10-15 min constant non-moving mob, all you have to do is go through the bottom portal and come back in. You should see a large wave of them just going strait up to various platforms and if you climb quickly enough, you should be able to hit the mob right as it passes that central safe platform.

[Worthyness]

How does one go about money making AFTER this whole egg drop ordeal will be sorted out?

meaning Nexon WILL fix this uber drops from the eggs. I know that these drops from the eggs are a very reliable source of income for now, but what happens afterwards? I drink pots like water here and i was wondering how i can save money or possibly even MAKE money without the scroll drops?

I see this as a valuable training spot for now.

[Dusk]

How does one go about money making AFTER this whole egg drop ordeal will be sorted out?

meaning Nexon WILL fix this uber drops from the eggs. I know that these drops from the eggs are a very reliable source of income for now, but what happens afterwards? I drink pots like water here and i was wondering how i can save money or possibly even MAKE money without the scroll drops?

I see this as a valuable training spot for now.

Why does everyone assume it's a mistake? Enough of these scrolls and Tobis pumped into the economy and they'll suddenly be worthless.

[IsaacGS]

Why does everyone assume it's a mistake? Enough of these scrolls and Tobis pumped into the economy and they'll suddenly be worthless.
It's not like most of these are particularly valuable scrolls anyway. 1 hand axe? Helm def? not the best scrolls.

[Sn1perJohnE]

Interesting fact for those who had gone Rain/Erupt early and went to wolf spiders:

Wolf Spiders: Level: 80
HP: 28000
MP: 350
EXP: 1200
Physical Attack: 450
KB: 1000

Typhon: Level: 100
HP: 56000
MP: 230
EXP: 3200
Physical Attack: 270
KB: 0?

So, for double the HP, and about 1000 less damage taken, you get almost 3 times the EXP. So with a Rain/erupt first build, you could easily go from Pirates, to Wolf Spiders, to Typhons, possibly getting EXP faster than a strafe build ending at newties. I know I am finishing my 14 lvls til 120 at typhons, and with about 21 Rain, i am getting about 15% an hour when im hunting the eggs alone, when i go for training, i think i could hit almost 20% an hour.

On a side note, why does Wolf Spiders even have magic attack? or does pretty much all monsters have a magic att regardless.

[RoyalCatManDo]

Wouldnt standing at the cave entrance mean you're not killing the eggs (which drop most of the scrolls)? I just use the stand in the middle method.

I was there for 3-4 hours today and found 11 tobis, 21 70% topwear str, 70 30% helm def, 24 30% bottomwear hp, 49 70% cape def (or mag def), 49 70% xbow attack, 60 70% 1h axe, 2 nimble wristguards and some of the other junk.

Things to chime in:

1. You dont need to bring a lot of pots. They drop alot of food that heals 1.5k and I was able to survive on those for a good hour (on 100) before having to use the barbs that I brought.
2. Noobs (Some are high levels but its pathetic they have to use the "chief bandit" approach to goby maps method) annoy the hell outta me here. You'd see a good 5-10 people on your map every minute (no exaggeration). Some have the courtesy to just break the top egg and leave when they see you at middle. There were a few pathetic bastards who'd break the 2 eggs on the platform I was raining on even after seeing me there.
3. Super PKB is REALLY annoying. Standing on the spikes/thorns usually saves you from that but regardless, its really annoying, especially in a full world like Scania where you lose your map when you get super pkb'd.

Edit: At 128 with mediocre equips (I dont have an overall no more), I was getting roughly 6-7%/hr (about 1-1.2% every 10 minutes), and this is with a super pkb about every 10-15 minutes (I fail >_>).

So yeah, I made around 100 mill there today, lololo. (Even though 30% helm def only sell for like 100k, 70 of them = 7 mill xD)

Edit 2: I dont know if anyone's noticed, but when I went up to mob them and brought them down to that ledge with 2 eggs, if I had previously casted a puppet, they dont go after me but the puppet, even if the puppet was cast before aggro'ing them, meaning they maybe react strangely to puppet.

In response to edit 2, they don't react strangely to Puppet.
All monsters are like that.

I covered the topic in my Archer Glitch Glossary way back.

Puppet coming into "range" is the same as it being cast as far as monsters are concerned.
What is this range I'm talking about? You know how the red mini-map dot that indicated another player is there works? Imagine Puppet were another player. Once you're close enough to it for it to appear on the mini-map, the monsters that are gunning for you consider it as though it's been cast.
I hope I made sense, it's sort of hard to explain.

Money shouldn't be an issue here if you loot. Each Typhon drops around 1000 meso, and you need 1 barb/3 Typhon hits. Sounds good to me.

I'm really surprised the scrolls sell though. I was using them for shits and giggles mostly. Well, that, and making some HP Pants/STR Tops for myself seeing how I thought the prices were next to nothing.

[Russt]

As a general rule, any scroll that adds any of the four AP is never worthless. There are some exceptions, like cape 10% scrolls.

And from what I understand, monster magic attack doesn't do anything. Touch damage is physical attack, and skill attacks have their own attack value. So yeah... it's worthless. Unless I understand wrong and magic attack is multiplied by the skill attack value.

[Sn1perJohnE]

As a general rule, any scroll that adds any of the four AP is never worthless. There are some exceptions, like cape 10% scrolls.

And from what I understand, monster magic attack doesn't do anything. Touch damage is physical attack, and skill attacks have their own attack value. So yeah... it's worthless. Unless I understand wrong and magic attack is multiplied by the skill attack value.

the only thing with the top str 70% scrolls is that the price easily went from ~3 mil (bello) to about 700k, maybe less. I myself have 35+ and am planning on making a nice str top for my warrior.

On a side note, i think im going to try and forge the Crimsonwood bow. After i got the Deputy Star, i had 110 str (with 77 as a base :O) so adding 5 more str to use the bow if i get it to be 109+ (current is 110) would be awesome, seeing as it is fast speed.

[Worthyness]

On a side note, i think im going to try and forge the Crimsonwood bow. After i got the Deputy Star, i had 110 str (with 77 as a base :O) so adding 5 more str to use the bow if i get it to be 109+ (current is 110) would be awesome, seeing as it is fast speed.

LOL good luck with that :f3:

only takes like 2 taos, 400 crimson woods and a lot of other stuff :cool:

I assume that the eggs dropping things at a godly droprate IS a glitch because, honestly, has anyone ever seen a drop rate like that EVER in maple? AND kept permanently?

If i try to make money, i don't. I've lost a lot training here even when i get massive scroll drops. They just don't help me at all. But IF, for some reason, that the eggs are fixed to a normal droprate, what would be wise mesos wise to do to save money? cause i apparently can't :f4:

[Dusk]

Interesting fact for those who had gone Rain/Erupt early and went to wolf spiders:

Wolf Spiders: Level: 80
HP: 28000
MP: 350
EXP: 1200
Physical Attack: 450
KB: 1000

Typhon: Level: 100
HP: 56000
MP: 230
EXP: 3200
Physical Attack: 270
KB: 0?

So, for double the HP, and about 1000 less damage taken, you get almost 3 times the EXP. So with a Rain/erupt first build, you could easily go from Pirates, to Wolf Spiders, to Typhons, possibly getting EXP faster than a strafe build ending at newties. I know I am finishing my 14 lvls til 120 at typhons, and with about 21 Rain, i am getting about 15% an hour when im hunting the eggs alone, when i go for training, i think i could hit almost 20% an hour.

On a side note, why does Wolf Spiders even have magic attack? or does pretty much all monsters have a magic att regardless.
Not too great for lower levels though. That extra 20 levels makes a heavy impact on your damage at level 80.

[Sn1perJohnE]

Not too great for lower levels though. That extra 20 levels makes a heavy impact on your damage at level 80.

most people with a Rain/Erupt build should stay at Wolf Spiders til about 85 to 90, and i would recomend at least max Rain/Erupt at lvl 0 to start training at typhons.

As for the stuff needed for the Arcanan (sp?) bow, the hardest will probably be either the taos or the wood. The wood is farmable, the taos ill probably have to buy.

[Russt]

If anything, the Taos are more farmable than the wood. You can actually train at Firebrands somewhat, but with the woods you have to be actively looking for them.

[GotchaHoe]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a336/blazemstr34/typhons1.png
Skills: 3 Puppet, 1 Blizzard, 30 Strafe, 25 AE, 5 MB.

Sorry for being off-topic But, How do you make your text like that? o.o

[Technolink]

Sorry for being off-topic But, How do you make your text like that? o.o

Pretty much you trick your entire system into thinking another font is that font.

MS uses Arial, and it reads that arial from your computer. So if you go to your comp's font folder and make, lets say, rename the Comic Sans file 'Arial', all programs that use Arial will now use Comic Sans (including MS).

There's a guide floating around the internet. I did it once, but it messed badly with the cash shop (and I now assume mts), not to mention my word editor always opened with Comic Sans, which my teachers did not like xD


To rename it you have to use a program called FontEditor I think.

[GotchaHoe]

Pretty much you trick your entire system into thinking another font is that font.

MS uses Arial, and it reads that arial from your computer. So if you go to your comp's font folder and make, lets say, rename the Comic Sans file 'Arial', all programs that use Arial will now use Comic Sans (including MS).

There's a guide floating around the internet. I did it once, but it messed badly with the cash shop (and I now assume mts), not to mention my word editor always opened with Comic Sans, which my teachers did not like xD


To rename it you have to use a program called FontEditor I think.

Ahh, Thanks. I tried that and it worked =) Do you know what font he uses? o.o

[Technolink]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a336/blazemstr34/typhons1.png
Comic Sans?
Septher: MORGAN
Septher: MORGANNNNNNNNN
wolfiy: why do you call him gregory

Nope. Courier? Idk off hand.

[IsaacGS]

I trained here for today's 2x event and got 32% in about an hour. It was really great. (note that I wasn't using a card so that'd be close to 16% at 1x) It's by far one of the best spots I've ever been able to train at.

[tzk221]

I trained there last night and got 12-15%/hr. I just stand in one spot and spam eruption. It would be better to split the map with someone. The only problem with this map is getting knocked off and the 2:1 HP:MP usage.

[Worthyness]

The only problem with this map is getting knocked off and the 2:1 HP:MP usage.

Then would pizzas be a reasonable training pot to use here then?:f6:

I seem to use those a lot more than the barbarians (unless i have too much MP already). I don't even need to use my soceror elixirs... the barbarians and the socerors are more there for the trip to the JQ... I hate that walk :f7:

I still need a way to make money... I fail at that part. I lose at least 100k per round of 11 ish % an hour.

[IsaacGS]

I trained there last night and got 12-15%/hr. I just stand in one spot and spam eruption. It would be better to split the map with someone. The only problem with this map is getting knocked off and the 2:1 HP:MP usage.
I'm not sure that you could split it well, since there's not really another good spot to stand at aside from the center. Anyway, whenever I started running low on Typhons I'd just go into the MTS (toss a few scrolls in there to make space while I'm at it) and then come out, and they'd all be drawn back from the bottom.

[Russt]

Is it some kind of reverse-aggro glitch?

[Technolink]

Is it some kind of reverse-aggro glitch?

lol, yea. Could these be maple's first smart monsters? Where when you are on a mass genocidal rage of their species they actually go away from you!

[tzk221]

Reverse-aggro? :f6: That's interesting. No wonder the spawn dies unless I move.

I forgot all about the pizzas since I've been using barb and sorc combo for the last I-don't-know-how-many levels. Although, I tested it again last night and the ratio is more like 3:1.

You could share the map with those thieves that I always see, since all they want are the eggs up there, I assume.

[Dusk]

lol, yea. Could these be maple's first smart monsters? Where when you are on a mass genocidal rage of their species they actually go away from you!

More likely they just get stuck on the edge of the map, a la Goby :P

[IsaacGS]

More likely they just get stuck on the edge of the map, a la Goby :P
yeah, that's what happens, it just goes on at the bottom instead of the top here. It's especially a problem if you have to use bomb.

[Worthyness]

Is there an easier way to get to Typhons? cause Forgotten path is a pain in the ass. I have all the maps and junk (except the code piece, but i can get that later..), but there isn't a faster, easier way to the keep without using Forgotten path is there?

I waste MORE pots trying to get there than training... which shouldn't happen... I might make some cash if it weren't for the fricken path...

[IsaacGS]

Is there an easier way to get to Typhons? cause Forgotten path is a pain in the ass. I have all the maps and junk (except the code piece, but i can get that later..), but there isn't a faster, easier way to the keep without using Forgotten path is there?

I waste MORE pots trying to get there than training... which shouldn't happen... I might make some cash if it weren't for the fricken path...
No, you must pass through forgotten path to get to the mountain.

[psychopat]

I tried this place yesterday and it was fantastic... with strafe, it was 500+ exp/strafe, which is more than newties for me. To top it off, you're mostly using rain so it's even better. I even made 16 dark scrolls in under an hour, often getting 2 from 1 egg (although apparently they killed the drop rate in the server check )

After about 30 minutes, though, the exp really slowed down. When I eventually got blown off the map, I noticed that over half the spawn was stuck at the bottom of the map. Is there a good way to unstick them to keep the exp flowing?

edit: ... and I just saw John's post on page 1... Disregard my question. :-P

[Worthyness]

I think they did take away the insane drop rate of the eggs now with the Server check... Any way to make money now? xD

[Technolink]

They did, so now its just good exp. Did BF/Pot shop/ DB glitch/ puppet glitch get fixed?

[Corn]

I think they did take away the insane drop rate of the eggs now with the Server check... Any way to make money now? xD

Leprachauns =D.

[Russt]

Indeed, if you can, get a lower leveled char (preferably ranged) who can kill both Leps between respawn ticks. You can train them up decently by repeating Fool's Gold, and you get a nice 1m/hour.

Unless their money drop was fixed too...

Even if they can use their lollipop (can they now?), it's not too big a problem for ranged chars, so it's good as long as the money drop stays.

[Dusk]

I can hit all three Leprechauns on Creeping Evil without moving much at all.

They're arranged like this
o------------Xo-----o

Just stand where the X is and you can hit all three easily.

[Mark]

I'm both happy and sad that Baby Typhons were fixed.

All my drops I found will finally be worth something again, but at the same time I lost another money source. Boooo.

[randompeep]

I don't think the Leps are fixed. Otherwise that would start popping up here (In the Pits, no doubt).

[IsaacGS]

I can hit all three Leprechauns on Creeping Evil without moving much at all.

They're arranged like this
o------------Xo-----o

Just stand where the X is and you can hit all three easily.
That's gonna be a pretty dangerous place to stand when they give them MP back.

[Russt]

I stand at the same place, Dusk, except I ignore the left one and attack right only. Then, after about 5-6 respawns, I go across, looting, and stand on the right side of the two. Turn around and repeat.

When they get MP back, it'd probably be more advisable to stand somewhere between the first and second (from the left) and only attack one at a time. Either that or just snipe from the far right/left.

[tzk221]

I did another training session last night and these are the results:

Time: 40 minutes
Potions: 100 Pizzas, 100 Barbarian Elixirs, 2 Warrior Pills, 1 Leaf Crystal
Gain: 11%, ~100K mesos (after subtracting potion costs)

The HP:MP usage is 4:1.
16.5%/hour

My character:
Level 105 Sniper
Maxed Strafe
28 Eruption
5 Mortal Blow
6 Puppet
21 Blizzard

[Russt]

Pizzas mess up the HP:MP usage figure, though. Unless you always use them to their fullest benefit.

[Worthyness]

care to explain how? (I don't understand this stuff =P)

Partying at newties is probably faster, but considering I'm a low level, i think this will give me some good solo training. I lose money wither way, so no big deal >.>

[tzk221]

Pizzas mess up the HP:MP usage figure, though. Unless you always use them to their fullest benefit.
Which is what I did. My HP is 2788 and MP is 1837. If HP<1250 and MP>1200, use barb. If HP<1800 and MP<1200, use pizza. If else, wait.

Works really well. I think I overpotted only 100 HP during the entire time.

[Russt]

Which is what I did. My HP is 2788 and MP is 1837. If HP<1250 and MP>1200, use barb. If HP<1800 and MP<1200, use pizza. If else, wait.

Works really well. I think I overpotted only 100 HP during the entire time.

function pot()
{
if (hp<1250) && (mp>1200) {
eat(barb);
}
elseif (hp<1800) && (mp<1200) {
eat(pizza);
}
else {
setTimeout("pot()",1000);
}
?

(yay for javascript...? ._.)

[IsaacGS]

I did another training session last night and these are the results:

Time: 40 minutes
Potions: 100 Pizzas, 100 Barbarian Elixirs, 2 Warrior Pills, 1 Leaf Crystal
Gain: 11%, ~100K mesos (after subtracting potion costs)

The HP:MP usage is 4:1.
16.5%/hour

My character:
Level 105 Sniper
Maxed Strafe
28 Eruption
5 Mortal Blow
6 Puppet
21 Blizzard
I just tried to take measurements for the 3rd time but once again got interrupted. Still, I think I have some useful numbers.
Time: 30 minutes
Starting percent: 61.01%
Ending percent: 69.74%
net gain: 8.6%, for ideally 17.2% an hour.

I went into the MTS once to reset spawn. I have maxed strafe and rain, with 12 puppet (though I barely used that).

[tzk221]

I just tried to take measurements for the 3rd time but once again got interrupted. Still, I think I have some useful numbers.
Time: 30 minutes
Starting percent: 61.01%
Ending percent: 69.74%
net gain: 8.6%, for ideally 17.2% an hour.

I went into the MTS once to reset spawn. I have maxed strafe and rain, with 12 puppet (though I barely used that).
Do you just stand and spam AR or walk around and lure sometimes? Do you use inferno to lure at all?

I usually spam AE until it locks on to just one or two typhons, then I finish them off with puppet/strafe. I enter the CS/MTS and respawn at top. I use Eruption and Blizzard to lure them as I go down back into the spamming spot. Sometimes, instead of going to the top, I go down to the two platform underneath and lure the ones there. I can usually spam Eruption for 3-5 minutes before I have to lure again.

[Arroz]

I was looking in to this as a warrior and it is just as good for us as well, at 130 it is suprisingly good if only typhon feathers were tradable D:

with maxed sheild mastery and pg i barly get hit past 100 dmg and with 8k hp i barely use hp pots with the use of pizzas. It seems more like a high leveld pirates area I still want to see how effective a party is there with someone at the cave some one in te middle and someone at top

[Mark]

Do you just stand and spam AR or walk around and lure sometimes? Do you use inferno to lure at all?

I usually spam AE until it locks on to just one or two typhons, then I finish them off with puppet/strafe. I enter the CS/MTS and respawn at top. I use Eruption and Blizzard to lure them as I go down back into the spamming spot. Sometimes, instead of going to the top, I go down to the two platform underneath and lure the ones there. I can usually spam Eruption for 3-5 minutes before I have to lure again.

If you're alone you have to move around and lure to get more spawn. I'm pretty certain since Baby Typhons were fixed that the place is barren now. (Correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't been on MS in a week or so.)

Anyway, the thing I did when there was no spawn was change channels and kill the spawn on top of the next channel, then change back to my channel, lure the top spawn, and jumped right to get onto the ledges over there. I did more luring before finally ending back at the "spamming spot."

After all that I usually had a nice big mob with several Typhons flying all over.

[IsaacGS]

Do you just stand and spam AR or walk around and lure sometimes? Do you use inferno to lure at all?

I usually spam AE until it locks on to just one or two typhons, then I finish them off with puppet/strafe. I enter the CS/MTS and respawn at top. I use Eruption and Blizzard to lure them as I go down back into the spamming spot. Sometimes, instead of going to the top, I go down to the two platform underneath and lure the ones there. I can usually spam Eruption for 3-5 minutes before I have to lure again.

what I do is very similar to yours, however I often hit Typhons that are flying by on the far left of the screen with Inferno to pull them towards the spikes. I occasionally drop down to the platform below and inferno right to grab those as well, but it's usually more efficient to just go into the MTS.

[Dusk]

I did another training session last night and these are the results:

Time: 40 minutes
Potions: 100 Pizzas, 100 Barbarian Elixirs, 2 Warrior Pills, 1 Leaf Crystal
Gain: 11%, ~100K mesos (after subtracting potion costs)

The HP:MP usage is 4:1.
16.5%/hour

My character:
Level 105 Sniper
Maxed Strafe
28 Eruption
5 Mortal Blow
6 Puppet
21 Blizzard

How did you have to use that many pots at Typhons? I survived almost purely on the Elixirs and Ramen they drop. And my HP is only ~3300.

[Russt]

Drop rate nerf?

[Worthyness]

I don't care if i lose money here... I made 46% (half on 2x exp) (2hours training tho)

I leveled to 103 =D

i could have leveled faster had it not been for the maps being full for half an hour...

Lovely leveling here... good exp when you can't find a newties map to snipe.

[psychopat]

I know it's probably a little bit slower, but since the drop rate nerf, I prefer the cave spot to the bush spot in the middle... I get hit way less, there's less danger of getting KB'ed back to the JQ and resetting the spawn is way simpler.

Enter & leave the cave = all the typhons go find a new platform. With ice shot and AE to lure, entering the cave is a nice way to get a crowd of 8 or so. Most of the time, lvl 9 puppet dies before I even finish off my mob :f7:

[Technolink]

How crowded are the maps? I lose 100% money at newts since I can't loot w/o a pet, so if the typhons is faster I"ll finish up the storm breaker and phantom seed quests later.

[tzk221]

Not very crowded. I was able to get a map during 2x (the only 2x I was able to attend because school started three weeks ago), went to repot once, and my map was still empty.

60% in two hours during 2x :excellent:


How did you have to use that many pots at Typhons? I survived almost purely on the Elixirs and Ramen they drop. And my HP is only ~3300.I have no idea. Maybe you're stronger? :f6:

[Worthyness]

The map wasn't crowded at all. The time i went there, it was half way through 2x (yeah i knoiw that sucks), but i eventually found me a solid map. I was being nice to the people who said "oh i fell off. Can i get my spot back?" so i even let them have the map...

In the spot in the middle, i used around 600 barbarians, 200 pizzas, 20+ or - a few mana elixers, and around 40 soceror elixers. this is traing straight for 2 hours with my cousingiving me a repot.

I usually use the pots to their fullest extent. I.e. pizzas when i have -900 life and -500 mp...

I can usually knock them all back, but in the case i get one behind me, i take damage like crazy... But i think the center platform has more spawn, imo... since you get the criss-cross flying ones instead of just the ones to your right of the screen.