Your thoughts on Evan class

[Solarboy]

So tell us, whta rare your thoughts on this class?

I personally really like them, however I wish that your character had some skills too,It just makes you feel like a slave of the dragon

But overall, this is my favorite class as of now

[Corn]

Dude. In Soviet Russia Maplestory, the dragon is the slave of you.

I also see a remarkable amount of people complaining that "you can only attack in front of you." Yeah. Like almost every other skill in the game.

Favorite class as of now, I prepared a lot for it. Almost 150 million funds (shaddup it's rich for me) and I hunted all the items for the level 10 quests beforehand.

[Bribery]

I was going to make this class my main, but after seeing that they're weaker than regular Arch Mages, I lost interest. I love Magic classes in RPGs but Maple's mages are freaking boring. Evans look fun but don't seem that useful in the longrun to me.

I'll train one anyways, for the glasses and higher level blessing for my Corsair.

[Solarboy]

I was going to make this class my main, but after seeing that they're weaker than regular Arch Mages, I lost interest. I love Magic classes in RPGs but Maple's mages are freaking boring. Evans look fun but don't seem that useful in the longrun to me.

I'll train one anyways, for the glasses and higher level blessing for my Corsair.



I was going to make this class my main, but after seeing that they're weaker than regular Arch Mages, I lost interest


after seeing that they're weaker than regular Arch Mages, I lost interest


they're weaker than regular Arch Mages


weaker than Arch Mages

No they are not

also...



I also see a remarkable amount of people complaining that "you can only attack in front of you." Yeah. Like almost every other skill in the game.


Yeah, I hate when ppl complain about that, Myabe they think of the dragon as a summon and not as part of the actuall character?

[Bribery]

No they are not

also...

http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=23525&p=390363&viewfull=1#post390363


Even if those calculations are wrong and they're not weaker, they're still not much stronger either.


I'm also disappointed in how uncreative they were with the dragon. They could have done so much with it.

[Corn]

Ignore.

[Solarboy]

http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=23525&p=390363&viewfull=1#post390363


Even if those calculations are wrong and they're not weaker, they're still not much stronger either.


I'm also disappointed in how uncreative they were with the dragon. They could have done so much with it.

Well, one thing are the calculations and another thing is how the class is really played, a normal evan is incredibly strong, and also is a multi class (support and atacker) not to mention that evans can go and do some bossing with illusion

[Takebacker]

Well, one thing are the calculations and another thing is how the class is really played, a normal evan is incredibly strong, and also is a multi class (support and atacker) not to mention that evans can go and do some bossing with illusion

Evan's suck and the majority will only make them for the glasses. All they do is support the notion that magic classes are INFERIOR to weapon classes in terms of single target DPS. The fact that they are a support/attack hybrid class doesn't change the fact that they have mediocre DPS and are weaker than arch mages until 170+. The only thing evans have going for them is support skills, not their damage.

Prove me wrong.

[Corn]

Evan's suck and the majority will only make them for the glasses. All they do is support the notion that magic classes are INFERIOR to weapon classes in terms of single target DPS. The fact that they are a support/attack hybrid class doesn't change the fact that they have medeocre DPS and are weaker than arch mages until 170+. The only thing evans have going for them is support skills, not their damage.

Prove me wrong.

Well...if they happen to stumble across a boss that is resistant to all the elements...they outdamage Arch mages with Elemental reset...and that homing skill helps with damage...sort of...

...Curse helps too.

[Solarboy]

Evan's suck and the majority will only make them for the glasses. All they do is support the notion that magic classes are INFERIOR to weapon classes in terms of single target DPS. The fact that they are a support/attack hybrid class doesn't change the fact that they have medeocre DPS and are weaker than arch mages until 170+. The only thing evans have going for them is support skills, not their damage.

Prove me wrong.

I never said that they had amazing damage or anything, What im trying to say is: that they are a very fun class to play, and are really interesting, since they are disciples of the black mage untill lv 50, I like the fact that they have many diferent elemental atacks, making then really versatile, This class is fun to play, if you are a damage hoe go play dual blade and be broken then

[Takebacker]

I never said that they had amazing damage or anything


a normal evan is incredibly strong

Really?


What im trying to say is: that they are a very fun class to play, and are really interesting, since they are disciples of the black mage untill lv 50, I like the fact that they have many diferent elemental atacks, making then really versatile, This class is fun to play, if you are a damage hoe go play dual blade and be broken then

Fun is relative. They aren't fun to me, because mages in general are boring as f'uck.

[Solarboy]

I dont need to prove that they dont do less damage than a normal atacker(because they obioubsly do), I say that if you want to play a class with horrendously big damage, go play dual blade, If you want a Class with interesting gameplay and storyline then choose evan, thats all I wanted to say, and with the INCREDIBLY STRONG evan, wellI meant compared to archmages, because if an IL mage finds an enemy that is resistant to their element, they will oiboubsly be weaker, when an evan can use elemental reset and make things easier.

[Bribery]

Yeah, the one thing I like about Evans is their storyline. They have a lot of quests to do along the way, and the free SP is always nice. I just wish Nexon didn't half-ass this class, especially after seeing Dual Blades and Arans.

[Super_cyp]

Hmm I like the idea, I just don't think they followed through well enough. It's a dragon tamer class, and the dragon attacks, whilst you sit there fairly useless. I mean sure your character instigates the commands and crap, but in reality your character doesn't do anything.

I mean what if they created a skill to fuse with your dragon Like umm the Digimon Fusion thing :D Or Dragonball Z~ +__+ or a Dragon Rider skill. They make a boss that can ride a dragon but Evan can't? :f3:

[Corn]

or a Dragon Rider skill. They make a boss that can ride a dragon but Evan can't? :f3:

Called mounts.

[Solarboy]

a Dragon Rider skill. They make a boss that can ride a dragon but Evan can't? :f3:

You in fact, get a dragon rider skill, however instead of just geting the saddle, you get a dragon(lol seriously WTF?!) and the saddle, the dragon is the same dragon you have on your stage, but its really strange to be riding a lv 50 dragon when you are lv 120 o.o...

[Super_cyp]

Called mounts.

I meant actually attack on the dragon not a freaking mount. >_> Yay I get to ride my dragon and then jump off and go ATTACKKK and stand there looking useful.


Edit: Think of a Corsairs battleship, where you get to ride the dragon for a certain amount of time and you are forced to get off because staying too long causes fatigue for your dragon, The higher your level the longer you can stay on, and it increases your skills damage by what 30%?

I suck at explaining but thats the sort of thing I mean.

[HellenzSin]

does Evan's storyline stop at umm lvl 70/3rd job or w/e like Aran's?

[Takebacker]

I dont need to prove that they dont do less damage than a normal atacker(because they obioubsly do), I say that if you want to play a class with horrendously big damage, go play dual blade, If you want a Class with interesting gameplay and storyline then choose evan, thats all I wanted to say, and with the INCREDIBLY STRONG evan, wellI meant compared to archmages, because if an IL mage finds an enemy that is resistant to their element, they will oiboubsly be weaker, when an evan can use elemental reset and make things easier.

Are you implying that dual blades DON'T have an interesting storyline and engaging gameplay?

Also, evans don't use ice breath as a main attack so i don't see why having to use reset in the case of resistant mobs makes them stronger. The best training spots for any level bracket doesn't really have a lot of resistant mobs anyway.

[Solarboy]

Are you implying that dual blades DON'T have an interesting storyline and engaging gameplay?

Also, evans don't use ice breath as a main attack so i don't see why having to use reset in the case of resistant mobs makes them stronger. The best training spots for any level bracket doesn't really have a lot of resistant mobs anyway.

I meant in like, the master monsters.

Its not that I dont like dual blades "storyline" but I just dont think its good in comparison with aran/evan

[Justin]

They should let you ride on the dragon as a mount and still let you use skills on it. Now THAT would be epic as hell. ....albeit I'm sure that would surmise some balance issues of SOME sort. I still think it's an awesome idea though. :(

[Takebacker]

I meant in like, the master monsters.

???

[Solarboy]

???

The bosses that are not really major bosses, like mano or stumpy

[Chilly]

It is nice to see an Evan forum opened, thanks Fiel.


Favorite class as of now, I prepared a lot for it. Almost 150 million funds (shaddup it's rich for me) and I hunted all the items for the level 10 quests beforehand.
Before I did my calculations, I had already amassed quest items up to level 50 (I need the Quest Specialist medal) and have purchased/scrolled all E.Wands, Overalls, Gloves, etc. up to near end-game status. Given all of this I don't think I can really turn my back on Evans since getting rid of my equipment would be a grandiose hassle, but I think I'll be playing with a bit of bitterness.

On a side note: Does anyone know where I may get a translated copy of all the Evan quest list for those quests specifically tied to being an Evan, I tried EllinForest thinking it might be there but I didn't see it.


Well, one thing are the calculations and another thing is how the class is really played, a normal evan is incredibly strong, and also is a multi class (support and atacker) not to mention that evans can go and do some bossing with illusion
Speaking ill of my calculations? Blasphemy. No, just kidding, I'm glad that there are a few that will play because they genuinely enjoy it. I've never played any high-leveled character other than a mage (4 lolI/L AM in several different servers) so I won't notice the damage difference.


Evan's suck and the majority will only make them for the glasses. All they do is support the notion that magic classes are INFERIOR to weapon classes in terms of single target DPS. The fact that they are a support/attack hybrid class doesn't change the fact that they have mediocre DPS and are weaker than arch mages until 170+. The only thing evans have going for them is support skills, not their damage.
This is by far the most annoying thing about the design of Evans, they are like Cygnus Knights in that they are (comparatively) crazy strong from the start of the game until the late 12X's, early 13X's, but from then on they are weaker than AM...-_-...and they don't get stronger than AM after that.


Well...if they happen to stumble across a boss that is resistant to all the elements...they outdamage Arch mages with Elemental reset...and that homing skill helps with damage...sort of...

...Curse helps too.
Even though this is a bit of a niche position, I love GPQing and Ergoth is annoying unless I'm BBing it (BB not maxed, so usually CL only) and I'm a freelance GPQer so many times I'm the only bosser among lower levels so I'll enjoy some element-free Illusioning at Ergoth.

[Beg]

Evan, I don't think much of them. They had so much potential but they just turned out kind of average in the end (not that I'm asking them to release broken classes or anything). The extra support should be nice though; next stop, adding more content that can actually utilise this extra support so "support" classes aren't considered "useless".

[Cancambo]

Evans are boring as hell. I had planned to get one to 100 for the glasses, but 100 is just too much on such a boring class. That and, the glasses have to be karma'd. They should have made them like the Aran ring.

[Locked]

Evans are boring as hell. I had planned to get one to 100 for the glasses, but 100 is just too much on such a boring class. That and, the glasses have to be karma'd. They should have made them like the Aran ring.

Pretty much what Matt said, they're really boring and slow.

[Kawasari Mimoto]

They look alright. In terms of how useful they are, I don't know. Don't really care enough to find out.

[KaidaTan]

lolmages

What stats were the glasses again?

[Kirov]

Evan, I don't think much of them. They had so much potential but they just turned out kind of average in the end.

Exactly, they are boring and uninspired. They don't really offer up anything that different in game play and were a huge let down after Aran considering they are the second Legendary class. Splitting job advances into 10 skill masteries just doesn't cut it with me. I don't see how that is a plus or interesting at all. The dragon is basically just a free cash shop weapon.

[Corn]

It is nice to see an Evan forum opened, thanks Fiel.


Before I did my calculations, I had already amassed quest items up to level 50 (I need the Quest Specialist medal) and have purchased/scrolled all E.Wands, Overalls, Gloves, etc. up to near end-game status. Given all of this I don't think I can really turn my back on Evans since getting rid of my equipment would be a grandiose hassle, but I think I'll be playing with a bit of bitterness.

On a side note: Does anyone know where I may get a translated copy of all the Evan quest list for those quests specifically tied to being an Evan, I tried EllinForest thinking it might be there but I didn't see it.


Speaking ill of my calculations? Blasphemy. No, just kidding, I'm glad that there are a few that will play because they genuinely enjoy it. I've never played any high-leveled character other than a mage (4 lolI/L AM in several different servers) so I won't notice the damage difference.


This is by far the most annoying thing about the design of Evans, they are like Cygnus Knights in that they are (comparatively) crazy strong from the start of the game until the late 12X's, early 13X's, but from then on they are weaker than AM...-_-...and they don't get stronger than AM after that.


Even though this is a bit of a niche position, I love GPQing and Ergoth is annoying unless I'm BBing it (BB not maxed, so usually CL only) and I'm a freelance GPQer so many times I'm the only bosser among lower levels so I'll enjoy some element-free Illusioning at Ergoth.

Translated Evan quests: Yeah, it's a bit hard to find on ellinforest. (http://ellinforest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4448) I didn't read it because I don't want the story ruined for me.

About your calculations: I didn't really pay attention to what you included. Now, the only thing I can think of that Evan can outdamage AMs damagewise is with Curse, but it's kind of negligible...


The dragon is basically just a free cash shop weapon.

That's the whole damn reason I'm making an Evan.

[Flirtini]

does evan's magic resistance party skill stack with bishops's ER?

=3 i wud make an evan mule jus for that xD

[Dusk]

Until MapleStory diverges from its bland core of knocking out a lot of the same bosses over and over again, Evans won't bring anything new to the table. They're a pretty mediocre class and the awful casting speed does not appeal to me.

[Solarboy]

does evan's magic resistance party skill stack with bishops's ER?

=3 i wud make an evan mule jus for that xD

Probably yes, but it doesnt last for long

[cronnoponno]

I'll probably play this class I guess, I don't know... Do you think they'll get invited to bosses despite how mediocre they are?

Also, I/L AM's are going to be the second-best mages because chiefs are weak to lightning and ice now, and Evans primary attack seems to be fire based(unless you reset it), so I really wouldn't even compare them to an I/L mage now, unless they can boss.

[shroum]

I love it and I'm preparing for it ;D

[Nightclaw]

I wish you could get on the dragon and fly....

Like level 200 mount whaaaaa. What dragon cant fly more than a meter above the ground? :f6:

[shroum]

I wish you could get on the dragon and fly....

Like level 200 mount whaaaaa. What dragon cant fly more than a meter above the ground? :f6:

ummm...
1.) the Evan mount is your dragon
2.) the level 200 mounts can't fly...

[Solarboy]

I wish you could get on the dragon and fly....

Like level 200 mount whaaaaa. What dragon cant fly more than a meter above the ground? :f6:

You have the flying skill (obtained for a PQ i think) but you cant use that with your mount on

Im not sure if the flying skill can be used outside of the PQ though

[Nightclaw]

i know about evan/adventurer dragon mounts. They can only fly about a meter off of the ground, and their jump is only 120... why cant they actually FLY FLY!!! like go around the map with it..

also, what PQ lets you fly?

[shroum]

i know about evan/adventurer dragon mounts. They can only fly about a meter off of the ground, and their jump is only 120... why cant they actually FLY FLY!!! like go around the map with it..

also, what PQ lets you fly?

Because you would see the top of the map and it would make the game seem like a private server.
Also, dragon rider PQ lets you fly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui0bT6nnjZQ

[Solarboy]

Because you would see the top of the map and it would make the game seem like a private server.
Also, dragon rider PQ lets you fly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui0bT6nnjZQ

Yes, that PQ lets you fly, but aparenty its a normal skill that you activate o.o

Edit: You can find the Flying skill in the beginner book. And you can only fly in maps where it is allowed.
No, you cannot use it outside of the PQ. -spadow

[shroum]

Yes, that PQ lets you fly, but aparenty its a normal skill that you activate o.o

Edit: You can find the Flying skill in the beginner book. And you can only fly in maps where it is allowed.
No, you cannot use it outside of the PQ. -spadow

but this certainly opens up a whole new spectrum of party quests.
ON TOPIC: What kind of equips should i be getting? also should I be luckless or normal?

[Corn]

but this certainly opens up a whole new spectrum of party quests.
ON TOPIC: What kind of equips should i be getting? also should I be luckless or normal?

How much $$ do you have?

[shroum]

How much $$ do you have?

78 mill.

[Corn]

Lukless first go low luk (depending on how much money you have left) to wear the level 120 Reverse Weapons.

Lukless your entire life if you plan on wearing only Elemental Weapons (the fire ones only), but keep in mind it decreases the damage of some skills, such as Ice Breath and Dark Fog (?).

I still suggest the first method as the fire staffs will skyrocket in price.

[shroum]

Lukless first go low luk (depending on how much money you have left) to wear the level 120 Reverse Weapons.

Lukless your entire life if you plan on wearing only Elemental Weapons (the fire ones only), but keep in mind it decreases the damage of some skills, such as Ice Breath and Dark Fog (?).

I still suggest the first method as the fire staffs will skyrocket in price.

whoa whoa this is talking level 100+

[Asumi]

Weird how ppl was like "OMFG EVANS THEY ARE AWESOMEEEEEEE" and then they are "Evans sucks" "they are terrible" etc etc it doesnt matter if nexon makes a MAGE with higher dps than any warrior(if they ever do) , mage haters will always be always mage haters.

Evans are cool, and i still cant understand how is that they are weaker than an AM? is CL stronger than illusion? or flamewheel? (stronger not faster).
They dont bring anything new?, "new" SP system isnt anything new to the game? just the class is something different than the rest of the classes.

[Corn]

whoa whoa this is talking level 100+

Um, yeah. So? You're not planning to get that far?


Weird how ppl was like "OMFG EVANS THEY ARE AWESOMEEEEEEE" and then they are "Evans sucks" "they are terrible" etc etc it doesnt matter if nexon makes a MAGE with higher dps than any warrior(if they ever do) , mage haters will always be always mage haters.

Evans are cool, and i still cant understand how is that they are weaker than an AM? is CL stronger than illusion? or flamewheel? (stronger not faster).
They dont bring anything new?, "new" SP system isnt anything new to the game? just the class is something different than the rest of the classes.

Evans have lower DPS than Arch Mages on (with Chain Lightning, Illusion, and Paralyze) single neutral monsters if you include summons. There is a thread somewhere proving this. You can't use Flamewheel as it's a multi mob skill.

Evans are cool.

And don't listen to those papayagots saying Evan didn't bring anything new. Who cares?

We get a goddamm dragon following you, plus we get a new SP system.

But the dragon isn't new. Look at pets and summons.

Yes it is.

But both the dragon and the new SP system don't affect gameplay that much.

Neither does Dual Blade.

But Dual Blade has intensive mobility!

So do a bunch of other classes.

Evans DO have extremely useful support skills, though. That's their niche in the game.

[shroum]

Weird how ppl was like "OMFG EVANS THEY ARE AWESOMEEEEEEE" and then they are "Evans sucks" "they are terrible" etc etc it doesnt matter if nexon makes a MAGE with higher dps than any warrior(if they ever do) , mage haters will always be always mage haters.

Evans are cool, and i still cant understand how is that they are weaker than an AM? is CL stronger than illusion? or flamewheel? (stronger not faster).
They dont bring anything new?, "new" SP system isnt anything new to the game? just the class is something different than the rest of the classes.
I have one on KMS but quit because Its just not as fun on a korean game. Otherwise I LOVE EVAN and mages in general.

[Hazzy]

My thoughts on Evan can be summed up with Baklava's phavorite frase: Class sucks.
Slow, uncreative style of the class, weird to handle, nothing really new to Maple beyond butchered skill tables. :/
Same kind of attacks, except instead of an animation and effect, you swing, and a dragon behind you makes the animation. It has no AI, and doesn't move on its own. A simple repack would make it look NO different than normal mages.

[Corn]

My thoughts on Evan can be summed up with Baklava's phavorite frase: Class sucks.
Slow, uncreative style of the class, weird to handle, nothing really new to Maple beyond butchered skill tables. :/

1. Evan is not that slow anymore :f6:. They were slow before some balance updates.

2. What do you mean, weird to handle? A lot of things are weird to handle if they are new. But you get used to it.

3. They have a collection of the best support skills in the game. Magic Shield, Magic Resistance, Ghost Lettering (wait, does that affect the party, too?), Recovery Aura (well, that isn't that good) and the epic SOUL STONE.

[Bribery]

1. Evan is not that slow anymore :f6:. They were slow before some balance updates.

2. What do you mean, weird to handle? A lot of things are weird to handle if they are new. But you get used to it.

3. They have a collection of the best support skills in the game. Magic Shield, Magic Resistance, Ghost Lettering (wait, does that affect the party, too?), Recovery Aura (well, that isn't that good) and the epic SOUL STONE.

Magical Resistance is the ONLY useful skill they have, and it's only needed at PB. Magic Shield can only be used half the time, Recovery Aura isn't useful, and Soul Stone is far too unreliable. Soul Stone is merely Wheel of Destiny that affects two RANDOM party members. The least they could have done is make it affect all 6 members.

Ghost Lettering would be very useful if it increases party damage, but I haven't seen any good videos of it in action.

[Corn]

Magical Resistance is the ONLY useful skill they have, and it's only needed at PB. Magic Shield can only be used half the time, Recovery Aura isn't useful, and Soul Stone is far too unreliable. Soul Stone is merely Wheel of Destiny that affects two RANDOM party members. The least they could have done is make it affect all 6 members.

Ghost Lettering would be very useful if it increases party damage, but I haven't seen any good videos of it in action.

1. Yeah. Magic Resistance is good.

2. Yeah, Magic Shield can be only used half of the time. It is useful, though, when you can use it. It's not as bad as lolSmoke Shell with its long cooldown, though.

3. Recovery Aura just saves pots.

4. Ever thought of putting only 2 people in your party?

I'm hoping Ghost Lettering increases party damage.

[Hazzy]

4. Ever thought of putting only 2 people in your party?

This seems like a bad idea at bosses. Between HB and SE, there'd be no room for anyone else....

[Asumi]

um, yeah. So? You're not planning to get that far?



Evans have lower dps than arch mages on (with chain lightning, illusion, and paralyze) single neutral monsters if you include summons. There is a thread somewhere proving this. You can't use flamewheel as it's a multi mob skill.

Evans are cool.

And don't listen to those papayagots saying evan didn't bring anything new. Who cares?

we get a goddamm dragon following you, plus we get a new sp system.

but the dragon isn't new. Look at pets and summons.

yes it is.

but both the dragon and the new sp system don't affect gameplay that much.

neither does dual blade.

but dual blade has intensive mobility!

so do a bunch of other classes.

evans do have extremely useful support skills, though. That's their niche in the game.

aleluya! ^_^!

[Corn]

This seems like a bad idea at bosses. Between HB and SE, there'd be no room for anyone else....

Zakum and Pianus and Papulatus duoing would be much easier :3.

Even if there were 6 people, I still think it's useful. Saves nx, plus the Bishop doesn't need to resurrect as much.

[cronnoponno]

Um, yeah. So? You're not planning to get that far?



Evans have lower DPS than Arch Mages on (with Chain Lightning, Illusion, and Paralyze) single neutral monsters if you include summons. There is a thread somewhere proving this. You can't use Flamewheel as it's a multi mob skill.

Evans are cool.

And don't listen to those papayagots saying Evan didn't bring anything new. Who cares?

We get a goddamm dragon following you, plus we get a new SP system.

But the dragon isn't new. Look at pets and summons.

Yes it is.

The dragon ISN'T new, it's basically a CS weapon, the dragon doesn't have any AI and does not fight for itself, you do the fighting for it and it stays strictly close to you, it's basically like having a shadow partner, only it's the shadow partner primarily attacking and not you, I don't see how this is unique

But both the dragon and the new SP system don't affect gameplay that much.

Neither does Dual Blade.

But Dual Blade has intensive mobility!

So do a bunch of other classes.

But dual blade actually has a reliable DPS and far more mobility than that of an Evan, with skills that advance the concept of pre existing skills and actually work! Although they're overpowered, at least they're not underpowered. Evan is a failed attempt at this(although it could be argued Dual blade was a failed attempt to, it just had better results)

Evans DO have extremely useful support skills, though. That's their niche in the game.
Because I'd rather have an Evan supporting my group with cooldown support skills rather than a bishop who can just spam heal me, defeating the need for pro defense

But Evan can do better mob damage with flame wheel than AM's!

Um, ultimates? The whole concept of mage is that they're the best mobbers in the game, I'd love to see you out dps an AM with flame wheel, as they ks you 1hkoing all the monsters in the vicinity. Chiefs are weak to ice now, I/L's will DESTROY them with blizzard, and CL will do just as good. Sure, Evans may be great against non-elemental or same-element monsters, but will anyone actually need to fight those? Maybe in the future, but as it is now, Skeles and Chiefs are basically the best spots to train at, therefore AM> Evan, Evans might be able to compare to a FP mage, but they're obviously better in mobbing in third job than any other class in the game.


I like Evan, the idea was cool, even though the dragon has no AI the attacks were just beautiful, I loved the idea of them being a mage that doesn't have to rely on a nuke button(ultimate) to train in fourth job, but still had some magic elements to it. I will also be making an Evan for the hell of it, and I will probably enjoy it a lot even if it is underpowered. But you probably shouldn't try to insist on digging up dirt on every possible thing that makes the Evan seem like they have anything worth aiming for.

However, this may change in the future, if for example they make new maps with monsters that are resistant to ice, lightning, and fire, and it becomes a main training area, then Evan will > AM, and such.

[Atruya]

Well, at least those first few levels seem like fun and I'm looking forward to the storyline, so I'll just try one out and use minimal funding. Got a nice wooden wand and lama lying around, so that's all it's gonna get. Thén I'll give my opinion on it.

[Solarboy]

Seeing as this thread became a por and cons about evans, I may as well try to participate:

Yes, evans have pros and cons, as well as EVERY SINGLE CLASS

Pros:
More SP than other classes (therefore they can max more skills)
Elemental reset (this allows them to... well, it has to be usefull somewhere -_-)
You dont train by standing in a platform just pressing one button (this is comparing them to archmages and bishops)
Diferent elemental atacks (you have one of each element, even Dark*)
You have a multihitting atack (Illusion, maxed it has 400+ base damage)
You have god damn evolving dragon :O

Cons:
Most of its atacks are fire based
Their diferent magic guard makes them a LITTLE bit less resistant than magicians (but they have more HP than a normal archmage or bishop)
Elemental wands wont be usefull at early levels and using one would make your damage from Illusion and dark fog weaker
All the dragons look the same (this is REALLY minor, cash shop dragon painting anyone?)

* Dark fog and ghost Lettering both seem to be dark element

[DeanNim]

Evan debates is just another magic < weapon debates. Its getting boring.
Its the same arch mages supporting Evan and Melee/Ranged classes discriminating, c'mon guys. If a person thinks so, its not your problem.

As for me, im in love with mages in every other games. Definitely making an evan.

[Corn]

But Evan can do better mob damage with flame wheel than AM's!

Um, ultimates? The whole concept of mage is that they're the best mobbers in the game, I'd love to see you out dps an AM with flame wheel, as they ks you 1hkoing all the monsters in the vicinity. Chiefs are weak to ice now, I/L's will DESTROY them with blizzard, and CL will do just as good. Sure, Evans may be great against non-elemental or same-element monsters, but will anyone actually need to fight those? Maybe in the future, but as it is now, Skeles and Chiefs are basically the best spots to train at, therefore AM> Evan, Evans might be able to compare to a FP mage, but they're obviously better in mobbing in third job than any other class in the game.


I like Evan, the idea was cool, even though the dragon has no AI the attacks were just beautiful, I loved the idea of them being a mage that doesn't have to rely on a nuke button(ultimate) to train in fourth job, but still had some magic elements to it. I will also be making an Evan for the hell of it, and I will probably enjoy it a lot even if it is underpowered. But you probably shouldn't try to insist on digging up dirt on every possible thing that makes the Evan seem like they have anything worth aiming for.

However, this may change in the future, if for example they make new maps with monsters that are resistant to ice, lightning, and fire, and it becomes a main training area, then Evan will > AM, and such.

Goddamm, put your entire argument into one post, not parts of it into the quote where I confuse it with the bolded stuff.

Dude. The dragon is new. There is no other goddamm thing in the game which attacks for you when you press a button. Shadow Partner just copies your moves. And comparing it to Cash Shop weapons? You realize it takes a bit to realize the range limit of the dragon, as it attacks from behind you? That's what Hazzy was complaining about. On Cash shop weapons, just put it on, and BOOM, you're used to it. Even if you guys insist that the dragon isn't new, then who would I frigging care? Does every new class need to add something new to the game? No. Jesus Christ, I don't get why I have to argue with everyone about this.

Dual Blade...I'm arguing that it didn't introduce something unique. Yes, I know it has overpowered damage. Yes, I know they have a lot of mobility. But so do another class....assassins. You could argue they have more damage, and more mobility, but that doesn't mean the concept is new. It just means that Nexon built on the idea.

And Evan's Magic Resistance has no cooldown. It is god. It means less HP washing for some folks at Pink Bean, Horntail, and Zakum. And yes, everyone would rather have a bishop in their party than an Evan. Even I do. But that's their niche in the game. Support skills for everyone who doesn't want to waste money on Nexon. Plus, they do quite more damage than a Bishop on single monsters with no resistances or weaknesses.

Now to your actual post.

But Evan can do better mob damage with flame wheel than AM's!

Where the pineapple did I, or anyone, say that? That made your entire first paragraph useless. AM's niche is to do godly mob damage. Evans suck compared to them against mobs, period.

Last, digging up dirt? Ptff. I'm just stating the facts.

[Chameleonic]

From the video's I've seen Evan look like they attack quite slowly and get hit a lot.

I'll make one but I dont know how far I'll get with it. lol

[King]

Evan = 2 atk glasses mule

The last 2 fail classes (Aran/Evan) nexon introduced to us are used solely for item support for the ultimate Dual Blade class

[Corn]

From the video's I've seen Evan look like they attack quite slowly and get hit a lot.

I'll make one but I dont know how far I'll get with it. lol

Those are the old videos. They attack much faster now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkSHx9W5FAk

[Solarboy]

Evan = 2 atk glasses mule

The last 2 fail classes (Aran/Evan) nexon introduced to us are used solely for item support for the ultimate Dual Blade class

and why? is dual blade better than aran and evan?

saying "DU41 314D3 D035 M04R D4M4G3 lulz" doesn not count

[Corn]

and why? is dual blade better than aran and evan?

saying "DU41 314D3 D035 M04R D4M4G3 lulz" doesn not count

They are better.

I disagree making Evan and Aran to support Dual Blade, though.

[Bribery]

and why? is dual blade better than aran and evan?

saying "DU41 314D3 D035 M04R D4M4G3 lulz" doesn not count

Of course they are better. Dual Blades practically have no cons.

[Solarboy]

Of course they are better. Dual Blades practically have no cons.

Thats the point, why play a class that is so easy that you will get a breeze through all the game in no time without much effort?

[Chameleonic]

Thats the point, why play a class that is so easy that you will get a breeze through all the game in no time without much effort?

Because I put up with being an Xbowman for 176 levels. lol :chin:

[Bribery]

Thats the point, why play a class that is so easy that you will get a breeze through all the game in no time without much effort?

Why spend time on a class that isn't worth it in the end (ie. Evans).

[Corn]

Thats the point, why play a class that is so easy that you will get a breeze through all the game in no time without much effort?

....so you can get to level 200 with no effort.

[Solarboy]

....so you can get to level 200 with no effort.

If you want to do that play a private server

No seriously I prefer a class with a challenge and not a class that can slo zakum just by saying "shamalamadingdong"

[Corn]

If you want to do that play a private server

No seriously I prefer a class with a challenge and not a class that can slo zakum just by saying "shamalamadingdong"

Then go make a permanent beginner.

I'm still not quite sure what terms you're thinking of when you say "better."

[Asumi]

Why spend time on a class that isn't worth it in the end (ie. Evans).

Not worthy? why? cause you hate mages? I would like to know your reasons.

Dual bladers cons? HP for ME thats the worse cons ever.

[Bribery]

Not worthy? why? cause you hate mages? I would like to know your reasons.

Dual bladers con? HP for ME thats the worse con ever.

No, I actually love the Magician class. However, Mages don't have any end-game content to look forward to. Evans aren't that useful either, except maybe at Pink Bean. I'm just mad at how half-assed Evans are after seeing Dual Blades and Arans. I was really looking forward to what Nexon had in store for the Mage hero. They gave us a regular Magician with a Dragon that is no different from a CS item.

As for Dual Blader's HP, it isn't as bad as it was initially in KMST. Their HP is similar to Buccaneers and Arans, and they have very good invincibility frames.

[DeanNim]

No, I actually love the Magician class. However, Mages don't have any end-game content to look forward to. Evans aren't that useful either, except maybe at Pink Bean. I'm just mad at how half-assed Evans are after seeing Dual Blades and Arans. I was really looking forward to what Nexon had in store for the Mage hero. They gave us a regular Magician with a Dragon that is no different from a CS item.

As for Dual Blader's HP, it isn't as bad as it was initially in KMST. Their HP is similar to Buccaneers and Arans, and they have very good invincibility frames.

How is being able to practically 1hko everything not pay-off ?

[King]

Thats the point, why play a class that is so easy that you will get a breeze through all the game in no time without much effort?

You want to put in effort in maplestory??? Go making a perma beginner with no leech hitting snails to level 200

cuz in the end nobody cares what you do but yourself

[Dusk]

MapleStory has no endgame content anyway. Killing Zakum and HT is only entertaining for so long.

[Solarboy]

You want to put in effort in maplestory??? Go making a perma beginner with no leech hitting snails to level 200

cuz in the end nobody cares what you do but yourself

Lol you are mad.

What I meant, is that I want to feel that I achieved something that not so much ppl could do, like getting a cleric to lv 70 in the old days, that was PAIN

Now tell me what would make you feel better?

Run 10 Kilometers with a shoe that makes you go as fast as a car without making you feel tired
or
Run 5 Kilometers normaly

[Asumi]

No, I actually love the Magician class. However, Mages don't have any end-game content to look forward to. Evans aren't that useful either, except maybe at Pink Bean. I'm just mad at how half-assed Evans are after seeing Dual Blades and Arans. I was really looking forward to what Nexon had in store for the Mage hero. They gave us a regular Magician with a Dragon that is no different from a CS item.

As for Dual Blader's HP, it isn't as bad as it was initially in KMST. Their HP is similar to Buccaneers and Arans, and they have very good invincibility frames.

If this is true ill definitely make one of those O_O.

[cleric1213]

If this is true ill definitely make one of those O_O.

-lets ruin every1's hopes and dreams-

DUAL BLADERS HAVE THE SAME LOL LOW HP AS THIEFS UNLESS U HP WASH

seriously guys stop making assumptions off a screenshot, a lvl2x dual blader has 700+ hp, because they get an mp/hp boost at the lvl20 job advancement, however they get no boost at any other advancements and their hp gain is as low as other thiefs

[Solarboy]

HAI GAIZ LETS TRANSFOR THIS THREAD INTO A FLAME THE OTHER CLASS THREAD =D

no really, this thread is about discussing the EVAN class, not flame other classes or discuss about other classes

[Atruya]

Which is rather pointless, unless someone comes in here who has actually played Evan. And tubevids are pointless as well, since they can be misleading and don't cover the situation as it will be in GMS.

Let's wait till they are here and thén discuss them.

[Solarboy]

Which is rather pointless, unless someone comes in here who has actually played Evan. And tubevids are pointless as well, since they can be misleading and don't cover the situation as it will be in GMS.

Let's wait till they are here and thén discuss them.

Well, this thread is about your thoughts. And I think everyone has stated what they think, and therefore this thread should be closed.

When evan is out for 1 week, we can remake this thread

[Corn]

-lets ruin every1's hopes and dreams-

DUAL BLADERS HAVE THE SAME LOL LOW HP AS THIEFS UNLESS U HP WASH

seriously guys stop making assumptions off a screenshot, a lvl2x dual blader has 700+ hp, because they get an mp/hp boost at the lvl20 job advancement, however they get no boost at any other advancements and their hp gain is as low as other thiefs

I was under the impression we weren't making the same assumptions based off of one screenshot.


Lol you are mad.

What I meant, is that I want to feel that I achieved something that not so much ppl could do, like getting a cleric to lv 70 in the old days, that was PAIN

Now tell me what would make you feel better?

Run 10 Kilometers with a shoe that makes you go as fast as a car without making you feel tired
or
Run 5 Kilometers normaly

The argument still stands you can run 10 Kilometers with a limp, and that's a better accomplishment than running 5 kilometers normally. Therefore, creating a permanent beginner is better than an Evan.

[cronnoponno]

Goddamm, put your entire argument into one post, not parts of it into the quote where I confuse it with the bolded stuff.

Dude. The dragon is new. There is no other goddamm thing in the game which attacks for you when you press a button. Shadow Partner just copies your moves. And comparing it to Cash Shop weapons? You realize it takes a bit to realize the range limit of the dragon, as it attacks from behind you? That's what Hazzy was complaining about. On Cash shop weapons, just put it on, and BOOM, you're used to it. Even if you guys insist that the dragon isn't new, then who would I frigging care? Does every new class need to add something new to the game? No. Jesus Christ, I don't get why I have to argue with everyone about this.

Yes there is, it's called the ''my buddy DJ'' cash shop weapon, and the other ''friend'' cash shop items. Or the animal cash shop items, it's the SAME thing, the dragon can barely move away from the Evans path, and you're the one basically doing the attacking, that was my point. I don't know why you think this is unique, but it really doesn't feel unique to me. Trying to master an attack range on a mage class is also easy, well I guess that might be different for me since I use an AM, but I've never had any problems trying to master the range of my skills, and I seriously(I'll even challenge the fact) doubt that I would have trouble aiming with Evans attacks. Who's to say that the Evans attacks appear from behind it, and the dragon just covers up some empty portal that appears and spews out the attack? Well of course that's a stupid question, but I hope that helps you understand what I'm trying to say.

Dual Blade...I'm arguing that it didn't introduce something unique. Yes, I know it has overpowered damage. Yes, I know they have a lot of mobility. But so do another class....assassins. You could argue they have more damage, and more mobility, but that doesn't mean the concept is new. It just means that Nexon built on the idea.

This is what I was trying to say, so we're on terms here.

And Evan's Magic Resistance has no cooldown. It is god. It means less HP washing for some folks at Pink Bean, Horntail, and Zakum. And yes, everyone would rather have a bishop in their party than an Evan. Even I do. But that's their niche in the game. Support skills for everyone who doesn't want to waste money on Nexon. Plus, they do quite more damage than a Bishop on single monsters with no resistances or weaknesses.
But still, is it worth sacrificing a party member? First you need your DK, then you need a priest, then you need an archer for sharp eyes, then you need an attacker so the sharp eyes buff isn't wasted, ect.
Now to your actual post.

[B]But Evan can do better mob damage with flame wheel than AM's!

Where the pineapple did I, or anyone, say that? That made your entire first paragraph useless. AM's niche is to do godly mob damage. Evans suck compared to them against mobs, period.
I misread something you said, that's my fault, sorry about that.
Last, digging up dirt? Ptff. I'm just stating the facts.

The only thing that seems desirable for an Evan is magic resistance, and even then, it wouldn't be necessary for anything but pink bean(although it will most likely be the godliest lifesaver in neo tokyo if we ever get it), the rest of their skills, while unique(I agree with that), are only mediocre. Their niche is what makes them an overall useless class in the larger scale of maplestory. They have some support skills, but dont' excell in it. So a bishop will almost always overule them in that. They have more attack on single target mobs than mages, as well as the ability to reset their element, but that doesn't do much because attackers can easily out-damage them still. They can max all of their skills, but that doesn't do much if their skills lack in anything excelling. If killing wing works on bosses, then what I say is completely null and void, as this would obviously make Evans the most kickass class for bossing as we know it, they also could justify it working on a boss, because arans can apparantly freeze a boss with tempest so they should be able to inflict status effects on them.(the same goes with ghost lettering)

Onyx blessing is a good skill, but it only works for magic attack, for 60 seconds, and doesn't compare to an onyx apple(unless it stacks).


Evans just sound like they're ''decent'' in every single feat in maplestory, but as cool as this sounds on paper, in reality this is their biggest downfall. The only thing that makes the Evan worth playing would be their magical resistance skill, and that's IF you get lucky enough to manage a PB battle, and the only partys that aren't already good enough to beat pink bean without some sort of defense will obviously be a mediocre party themselves, and your chances of meeting inexperienced parties will be even higher.

So, Evans are fun, that's the best thing to them. They are mages that are incredibly exciting and fun, their attacks feel pretty new, they have such a large variety of attacks, but I could care less about the dragon, if anything I'd rather the dragon wasn't there and my character would just cast the spells himself, because the dragon doesn't even look that cool to me(but it's not bad).


Well in any case, any class can be argued to be ''useful'', but we'll see how ''useful'' Evan is when they're never invited to any HT runs or Zakum runs, and all the Evans will be doomed to the same life AM's are doomed to exist, I guarantee you it will end up this way.

[Corn]

I'm going to stop arguing with the top quote, since it's quite obvious we both disagree on Evan being equal to cash shop items or not. We're both repeating the same exact points.

Okay, I'll agree with you Magic Resistance is awesome. And about Elemental Reset: It's situational. Look at Scarlion. Lightning is not effective on it. I/L's are screwed....but okay, alright, there are not that many bosses that are strong against a either lightning/poison, which does render my argument kind of moot. Okay, while Evan do pathetic damage late game, in most other level ranges, they do very good damage, which appeals to slow levelers like me.

I think you're confusing Killing Wing with something else. Killing Wing does work on bosses, but it doesn't really inflict status effects. It It makes a homing effect.

I wonder how my bossing life would sound like, though.

[King]

Lol you are mad.

What I meant, is that I want to feel that I achieved something that not so much ppl could do, like getting a cleric to lv 70 in the old days, that was PAIN

Now tell me what would make you feel better?

Run 10 Kilometers with a shoe that makes you go as fast as a car without making you feel tired
or
Run 5 Kilometers normaly

Fail analogy is fail...I do not see your point at all

if my objective is to go 10 kilometers of course I would take the easy route, so will everyone else

[WayOfTime]

Fail analogy is fail...I do not see your point at all

if my objective is to go 10 kilometers of course I would take the easy route, so will everyone else

But the point he is making is the sence of ACCOMPLISHMENT, not the actual task that is being performed. Training a cleric to 70 back then was like getting to 120 on a preist now: it was a lot harder back then, but you got a good feeling when people said "wow, you're a priest?!?" Now, people just say "wow, another bishop..."

[Corn]

But the point he is making is the sence of ACCOMPLISHMENT, not the actual task that is being performed. Training a cleric to 70 back then was like getting to 120 on a preist now: it was a lot harder back then, but you got a good feeling when people said "wow, you're a priest?!?" Now, people just say "wow, another bishop..."

He still refuses to make a high leveled perma beginner, though, which is a huge accomplishment.

[King]

He still refuses to make a high leveled perma beginner, though, which is a huge accomplishment.

agreed

I think this solarboy needs to think twice before he post next time so he can make himself look less like an idiot

[Solarboy]

He still refuses to make a high leveled perma beginner, though, which is a huge accomplishment.

haha, I dont have that much time to maple, I have top do other stuff you know?


agreed

I think this solarboy needs to think twice before he post next time so he can make himself look less like an idiot

excuse me? mr I cant say my own thoughts and I have to say what others think?

[KhainiWest]

I have no interest in the class but I'm certainly leeching it to 100 for the glasses. Evan as a whole looks slow and dissapointing to me.

[cronnoponno]

It still depresses me to this very day that people play this game for the feeling of ''accomplishment''. I play it for fun, I happen to find 4th jobs more fun than 2nd jobs. So I would rather take the quickest route to get there. Although some people find achieving that sense of accomplishment fun, others don't. Dual blade will be awesome, even if it does level every 2 minutes.
If I want a feeling of accomplishment, I'd do something far more productive than taking the slowest possible, masochistic route in a video game in order to level my pixel avatar.

I have nothing against people leeching their Evans, go do that if it makes you happy.

[Erich]

Dual Blades are WAYYY far away. They aren't even on the radar for content. Evans are the only mages that are able to boss; that's good enough for me. They are by far the best mage class in maplestory. And not by a little.


The only thing that seems desirable for an Evan is magic resistance, and even then, it wouldn't be necessary for anything but pink bean(although it will most likely be the godliest lifesaver in neo tokyo if we ever get it), the rest of their skills, while unique(I agree with that), are only mediocre. Their niche is what makes them an overall useless class in the larger scale of maplestory. They have some support skills, but dont' excell in it. So a bishop will almost always overule them in that. They have more attack on single target mobs than mages, as well as the ability to reset their element, but that doesn't do much because attackers can easily out-damage them still. They can max all of their skills, but that doesn't do much if their skills lack in anything excelling. If killing wing works on bosses, then what I say is completely null and void, as this would obviously make Evans the most kickass class for bossing as we know it, they also could justify it working on a boss, because arans can apparantly freeze a boss with tempest so they should be able to inflict status effects on them.(the same goes with ghost lettering)

Onyx blessing is a good skill, but it only works for magic attack, for 60 seconds, and doesn't compare to an onyx apple(unless it stacks).

How can you compare an ITEM with a SKILL?

Evans just sound like they're ''decent'' in every single feat in maplestory, but as cool as this sounds on paper, in reality this is their biggest downfall. The only thing that makes the Evan worth playing would be their magical resistance skill, and that's IF you get lucky enough to manage a PB battle, and the only partys that aren't already good enough to beat pink bean without some sort of defense will obviously be a mediocre party themselves, and your chances of meeting inexperienced parties will be even higher.

A mage at low 13x hitting a single mob for 90k isn't useful?

So, Evans are fun, that's the best thing to them. They are mages that are incredibly exciting and fun, their attacks feel pretty new, they have such a large variety of attacks, but I could care less about the dragon, if anything I'd rather the dragon wasn't there and my character would just cast the spells himself, because the dragon doesn't even look that cool to me(but it's not bad).


Well in any case, any class can be argued to be ''useful'', but we'll see how ''useful'' Evan is when they're never invited to any HT runs or Zakum runs, and all the Evans will be doomed to the same life AM's are doomed to exist, I guarantee you it will end up this way.

The only way this will happen if biased people like you are running the squads.


Also, evans have more and more frequent job advances. Their final one being at level 150, that would definitely help with motivation in late levels, on top of already leveling fairly fast.

[aslemn]

Onyx blessing is a good skill, but it only works for magic attack, for 60 seconds, and doesn't compare to an onyx apple(unless it stacks).

You can't even compare a skill with an Onyx apple. If it was like that, any skill would be completely useless. The point is: Onyx blessing adds half an onyx apple, for free. While you would use 1 or 2m to get an apple.


Well in any case, any class can be argued to be ''useful'', but we'll see how ''useful'' Evan is when they're never invited to any HT runs or Zakum runs, and all the Evans will be doomed to the same life AM's are doomed to exist, I guarantee you it will end up this way.

Oh, having a skill that makes you deal more damage and does a lot of damage, critical, a free wheel of fortune buff with a cooldown of 5 minutes, invicible for your whole party, and a fog that heals 80% HP and MP when you stand on it isn't useful?
Also, a job that deals 80k at level 138 on a single monster is completely insane. It is a lot useful, and is the first bossing mage. It even outpasses DPM of some non mage classes. That are still invited to HT, so, why wouldn't it be invited?

[Erich]

It still depresses me to this very day that people play this game for the feeling of ''accomplishment''. I play it for fun, I happen to find 4th jobs more fun than 2nd jobs. So I would rather take the quickest route to get there. Although some people find achieving that sense of accomplishment fun, others don't. Dual blade will be awesome, even if it does level every 2 minutes.
If I want a feeling of accomplishment, I'd do something far more productive than taking the slowest possible, masochistic route in a video game in order to level my pixel avatar.

I have nothing against people leeching their Evans, go do that if it makes you happy.

The way you were posting earlier, you were not talking like you play for fun. You were treating evan like a bad business deal. How can something prove itself to have a far better role if it isn't even given a chance before it is even RELEASED? Evan isn't a waste of time, nor a slow leveler.

[cronnoponno]

The way you were posting earlier, you were not talking like you play for fun. You were treating evan like a bad business deal. How can something prove itself to have a far better role if it isn't even given a chance before it is even RELEASED? Evan isn't a waste of time, nor a slow leveler.

I never said Evan was a slow leveler. I only said that he will fall short compared to every other class.

Of course I can't compare an onyx apple to skills, I am not talking about mobbing I am talking about Bossing, why use rage and enrage(hero) during a boss run when you can just use an onyx apple, and NOT have the buff dispelled and be FAR stronger?

Why play as an evan for mobbing when THE CHIEF OBLIVION GUARDIANS ARE ICE, LIGHTNING, AND POISON WEAK?. They have decent mobbing, but they will be overrun by mages.

THE ONLY SUPPORT SKILL THEY'LL REALLY BE NEEDED FOR(assumiing ghost lettering doesn't work on bosses, which I said. Is their magical resistance skill, and as I said, IF it is even a demanded skill, it's ONLY going to be demanded by lowly funded, inexperienced parties that can't withstand the proper amount of damage with PB, lowering your chance of success, since people can already successfully kill HT and Zakum, I seriously doubt they're going to want to waste their party space on a 20% magic reduction when they can get a priest to spam heal, negating the need to care about the damage as long as you survive, and can dispel you if you get seduced.

Also, here's another food for thought, how many Evans are going to be invited into boss runs with a giant dragon attached to it? Some parties have even banned me from not having an NX helm because my zakum helm was considered too potent for lag with it's special effects, what makes Evan any different?

That's why I said, evans only have the best mage gameplay. They're fun, but EVERY class can surpass them in terms of end-game abilities. With the exception of magic resistance, (and wheel of destiny, mind you it's a level 160+ skill), can you tell me something that Evans surpass ANY class at at end-game terms? Something that makes them desireable for bossing, or at least something that doesn't involve grinding till the end of level 200.

Evans mobbing:
Good, but AM's can mob better, Bishops can mob better at skelegons.
Evan loses.

Evan DPS:
Better in single target, better than mage on certain monsters, is adaptable since they can element reset, I/L am's beat them at chiefs, the current end-game monsters as far as I know. Any melee class can far outdamage them, because they're specifically MEANT for dps and they don't but a half assed effort into it.

Currently, though this could change, Evan loses here, but has more adaptability in lower levels.

Evan endurance:
Mages win in this regard, as their magic guard is more potent, although Evan would be more resistable during boss runs with magic resistance, they're still not going to be desired by too many people. Granted, there will be those ''friends'' that will invite Evan buddies into their runs, but that won't change the fact they'll only be able to bring up half of what another DPSER or bishop would be able to do.

Evan Training Speed:
Kicks major ass at lower levels, and is a decent speed at higher levels, doesn't compare to AM's though but they have a lot more of an enjoyable time playing Evan.

Evan diversity:
Evan wins here, they have the most unique skills in the game, and a near endless supply of attacks spells, but all mages have this(besides bishops. They just outgrow them constantly.


Evan= Flashy, cool, breath of fresh air, new, better at lower levels, doesn't just quite pack the punch at the end-game levels. Not that it matters though, maplestory is full of classes like that. To my previous quoter, that goes both ways, how can you instantly argue a class is useful without first checking it's abilities in actual boss battles? Of course Evan isn't a slow leveler, but they're not faster than AM's.

[Corn]

I argue on Endurance. Evans have a better Magic Guard, unless the AMs HP Wash. Harrisonized has a whole thread on Sleepywood about it.

[cronnoponno]

I didn't read it, but I assume they argue it will ''balance'' out the mp loss from higher leveled attacks, since 80% of your mp takes most of the damage, you have to pot to heal your mp, and your hp comes secondary in terms of needing to pot, but Evans will have to dish it more towards their hp, and with their healing fog they'd be slightly more durable with it. If you mean something like this, that isn't what I meant, I meant the 1hko attacks from bosses like bigfoot and such, with HB I could JUST barely survive a hit from bigfoot in my level 125's on my AM, I doubt I could have done that with Evan.