Archers and CWK

[DarkestTempest]

Well, we've all spend quite a number of time (3 1/2 or 4 1/2 hours, not sure) in CWK, and probably got a good idea of how the mobs work and stuff. Once the initial craze has gone past, we'll most likely be looking at the practical result of this update - is CWK (or at least its outskirt) good for our training?

From the look of things, I'd say not. Leprechauns are good for money farming but horrible for training (they're kinda like a voodoo except for with only decent HP/exp ratio rather than a crazy one, and that's if you can brave the dangers of a stray Bigfoot), and all the monsters on the mountains are mix n' matched to the max, and to make matters worse things are frequently smashed with windraiders, which is a terrible monster to train on. Crimson Guardians are not mixed, sure, but apparently their damage can go up to 5k, and from what I've seen (read: the few seconds I spent trying to get up before bumping into one while not at full health and promptly dying), there isn't much of a sniping spot.

There are a couple of places of interest from what I've seen so far.

Phantom Path - Mainly Elderwraithes. They're everywhere, slow, and don't have a magic attack. 51k HP for 2480 exp isn't bad. They do kinda hurt though, and you can't freeze them. THey also don't lend themselves to mob very well. The Nightshadows on the map are icing on the cake since the max damage I've seen them do is like 1.8k. Still totally immune to ice though.

Cave of Fear - The only Windraider free cavern. Both Stormbreakers and Firebrands have OK exp rate, but Firebrand's 2nd form is a bit annoying with their tendency to fly around (at least they don't sink when frozen, unlike every other flyer in the game). The map's pretty small so they mob pretty decently. I can't expect it to be much use for me though, but it's something lower level Snipers want to try out.

Cave of Honor - Well obviously since I'm looking for hunting Nightshadows, this is the map of choice. Unfortunately there are lots of annoying Windraiders around to slow down the exp, so I'd have to test further.

Path of Strength - The closest thing to a party-friendly map I can see on CWK. No annoying windraiders, and all of the monsters on the map are quite well off in HP/exp ratio. The flying Firebrand/Elderwraith could be annoying though. This is the map I have the most hope for.

The Path of Peril - I'm not quite sure how to get there so I haven't explored it yet, but Typhoons look like Gryphon upgrades, and since they actually have a map to themselves, they could be something workable. I need to actually see the map first, though.

Any comments, thoughts, and your own experiences with CWK?

[Anyoneisgod]

i like guardians,spilt that map up right and its a great Archer endgame.

[DarkestTempest]

How much damage do Guardians do? I heard they can do up to 5k.

[Hazzy]

Top right side of the Guardian map seems to be a safe spot. They couldn't walk over. I'd say it's a plausable sniping point. :>

I saw 3.3~3.5 touch, ish. I did see a magic attack, but I didn't see it's damage. :[
They do enjoy sealing though, so all cures/a priest(big surprise?) would be handy.

[Kevvl]

They did about 4.4k magic to my bishop friend. It's non-elemental, so Elem resistance wouldn't have helped lower damage. 5k sounds about right for max.

[TugboatWilly]

How much damage do Guardians do? I heard they can do up to 5k.they have 30(?) more matk than skeles, right? don't think their damage would go that high unless you're buck naked or something. :redface:

[Kevvl]

Remember that black squids have like 500 M-Att, and do like 10 damage. I wouldn't go in there attacking with less than 5k HP personally XD

[DarkestTempest]

Magic damage depend on more than monster's magic attack. I mean, look at Squid's ink blast damage. Its patk and matk are both up to date, so there must be SOMETHING else that makes it do 1 damage to zhelm'd people and 100 otherwise, instead of the 1400-1500 you'd expect from monsters around its level range.

[Overdrive]

I was at Typhons for a while and the most damage i received was like 500 damage?

I was gathering a mob puppeting them and then sniping with strafe. It takes me an average of 8 hits to kill one and gives me 3.2k EXP. I'm level 92.

They seem like really awesome monsters, but the map is REALLY big so they might not be that great. :\

[JoeTang]

they have 30(?) more matk than skeles, right? don't think their damage would go that high unless you're buck naked or something. :redface:

130, actually, so about 5k sounds right. Squid Ink Shots are physical damage.

[DarkestTempest]

It still doesn't explain its low damage. I mean, Squid's touch damage is 1400 or so.

[Kevvl]

I think Squids are the only monsters like that though. Weird little buggers =/
Oh, and Newtie magic damage is actually physical damage. With +Def equips I take like 100 less, with +magicdef equips I take none less.

The Guardians have pretty good exp/HP ratios (1/19), and I suppose if you could survive a hit, you could train on them pretty well. Too bad they're Earth, Fire, Wind, Water, and Heart immune =/


*edit* Oh, and they seal. woo!

[Calvinist]

this is the damage when i touched it
http://i33.tinypic.com/21jol8l.jpg

this is the damage when it did its magic attack (i have 20 element res btw)
http://i35.tinypic.com/33ah3eg.jpg

[Russt]

I think Squids are the only monsters like that though. Weird little buggers =/
There's the reverse case. Electrophants, and Extra D's to a lesser degree.

[Itay]

They did about 4.4k magic to my bishop friend. It's non-elemental, so Elem resistance wouldn't have helped lower damage. 5k sounds about right for max.

to me touch damage did 3.4k max, other magic attacks were lower than that except for one that did 4.9k to me..

[Technolink]

Wow, I better lvl before I explore CWK. I look pinappled there O_o

[Beaner]

dont even go there unless you want to get banned. aparently is so special for archers since its the last thing you will see before getting banned.

also the maps are crap, monsters are crap, f/p are crap and jump quests are crap.

[Cyanne]

Squids work like that because each ranged physical attack has its own attack stat independent of the monster's stats.

[DarkestTempest]

Ah, thanks for the explanation.

Crimson Guardians still look SOMEWHAT trainbale though for those who can take its physical hit consistently (They hit 30 more than my max HP today >_< GUess I'll use my BH armor to counter that), since there's a spot (and maybe another in the mirror spot) where you can smash them with AE/AR and not get hit. Looting will get difficult though. I'll try again when I have the time.

Other maps just suck. Less exp than gobies.

Oh yeah, speaking of Leprechauns - they WOULD have been nice, if it werent for the fact that you have ot pass a map full of Elderwraithes to get there. Most people who can take a hit from Elderwraith has little business trying to make money OR exp from Leprechauns.

[D-F1am3]

i THINK that the only reason they do 5k dmg is when they take out that mace type weapon and swing it at you. I'm not sure though.

[Derimed]

dont even go there unless you want to get banned. aparently is so special for archers since its the last thing you will see before getting banned.

also the maps are crap, monsters are crap, f/p are crap and jump quests are crap.

Banned for what? I don't get it. :f6:

[randompeep]

The supposed auto-ban glitch when you put puppet down. Some got it, others (like Isaac) didn't.

[Worthyness]

I'm too chicken to try puppet -__-

So i'm looking for phantom seeds instead =P

[Russt]

Oh yeah, speaking of Leprechauns - they WOULD have been nice, if it werent for the fact that you have ot pass a map full of Elderwraithes to get there. Most bowmen who can take a hit from Elderwraith has little business trying to make money OR exp from Leprechauns.
Fixed.
Hyper body, power guard, magic guard, dark sight - they all can survive one way or other.

You can do it as a bowman, it just takes luck, timing, and the Esc-Enter-Up-Enter shortcut memorized. Thorns, fake meso bags, and Jr. Wraiths are your friend.

The plus is that you remain in the map when you CC. Haven't checked what happens if you log, but it should be the same.

[summer]

I'm too chicken to try puppet -__-

So i'm looking for phantom seeds instead =P

puppet should be safe...
many have mass puppetized and is still ban-free

[Worthyness]

I'm trying to level. Did Headless Horseman have a 3 mil exp ever? or was it always 300k?

(might be confused with the hp)

Any good sniping spots for Bigfoot?

[MaxHudson]

I'm trying to level. Did Headless Horseman have a 3 mil exp ever? or was it always 300k?

(might be confused with the hp)

Any good sniping spots for Bigfoot?

It has 3mill hp/300k exp.

[Firefux]

I'm trying to level. Did Headless Horseman have a 3 mil exp ever? or was it always 300k?

(might be confused with the hp)

Any good sniping spots for Bigfoot?

All the Bigfoot maps are flat, except for Forgotten path, but he jumps up to the plats you could possibly snipe from, so no safe spot.

[Kevvl]

The supposed auto-ban glitch when you put puppet down. Some got it, others (like Isaac) didn't.

On a totally unrelated note, level 12+ Puppet works WONDERS on elder wraiths :excellent:

[Worthyness]

Dang... Ima have to get my F/P guildies to get a toe for me... I can snipe a HH to death so it's all good for the pumpkin...

Only have 9 puppet T.T

[Dusk]

On a totally unrelated note, level 12+ Puppet works WONDERS on elder wraiths :excellent:

So does Dragon Breath :D

The Typhon map would be okay, if it wasn't for one really annoying thing they do. I ran around mobbing them like Gryphons at first, not realizing they have a kick attack that launches you halfway across the map. You fall down to Valley of Heroes 2. Not fun.

[Sn1perJohnE]

So does Dragon Breath :D

The Typhon map would be okay, if it wasn't for one really annoying thing they do. I ran around mobbing them like Gryphons at first, not realizing they have a kick attack that launches you halfway across the map. You fall down to Valley of Heroes 2. Not fun.

theres a place in the middle of the map where if they kick you right, you wont move at all, and if they kick you left, you dont fall all the way down. This area seems to me to be like APQs geist battle, with the thorns used for cover, you will notice in the typhon map, theres lots of thorns and hurting objects to use while fighting, but you have to keep the mobs at a short distance.

[randompeep]

Does HH spawn every 6 hours in all his maps? Because i've only ever seen one in Crossroads (?). I've seen more Bigfeet.

[Worthyness]

Does HH spawn every 6 hours in all his maps? Because i've only ever seen one in Crossroads (?). I've seen more Bigfeet.

no clue...

Any good archer spots for level 100 in the caverns? I haven't gotten there yet as i don't wanna risk dying (75% OMG so close...) I tried training yesterday, but elder wraiths don't seem to cut it...:f4:

[psychopat]

I tried the map with only elder wraiths... got owned badly. It's too bad they don't freeze :-P

[WingZero]

theres a place in the middle of the map where if they kick you right, you wont move at all, and if they kick you left, you dont fall all the way down. This area seems to me to be like APQs geist battle, with the thorns used for cover, you will notice in the typhon map, theres lots of thorns and hurting objects to use while fighting, but you have to keep the mobs at a short distance.
That place also has 2 baby typhons that spawn. I stood there for 15mins spamming AR and I got 2 tobis, 7 scrolls, and 2 feathers. Might be a good place to pad your wallets, but then again I got hit with 5xx dmg quite often. Worth a mention though.

[Gearfree]

So does Dragon Breath :D

The Typhon map would be okay, if it wasn't for one really annoying thing they do. I ran around mobbing them like Gryphons at first, not realizing they have a kick attack that launches you halfway across the map. You fall down to Valley of Heroes 2. Not fun.


theres a place in the middle of the map where if they kick you right, you wont move at all, and if they kick you left, you dont fall all the way down. This area seems to me to be like APQs geist battle, with the thorns used for cover, you will notice in the typhon map, theres lots of thorns and hurting objects to use while fighting, but you have to keep the mobs at a short distance.

I might know the area your talking about, the lovely kickbox style platform(s) with the thorns near the rope?
You can't rely on the thorns to keep you safe, they don't damage you fast enough.
If you face to the left while spamming AE it tends to keep you in the area as it forces the enemies into forcing you into a wall.

Very nice experience, but wastes too many pots.
If the feathers were tradeable, then it might be something different.
But it pulls together to be a decent area to train in if you can remember to stay in an area where you can't be knocked off easily.



Oh yeah, speaking of Leprechauns - they WOULD have been nice, if it weren't for the fact that you have ot pass a map full of Elderwraiths to get there. Most people who can take a hit from Elderwraith has little business trying to make money OR exp from Leprechauns.

Which path are you taking from the haunted house?
The one to the left or the one to the right?

The one to the left is good if you've gotten the map(allowing you to jump almost to the mountains), while the one to the right skips a few maps and places you closer to the bent tree.

[Russt]

Leprechauns = Creeping Evil
Map full of Elderwraiths he mentioned = Haunted Hill

Nothing to do with VoH at all.

[Sn1perJohnE]

That place also has 2 baby typhons that spawn. I stood there for 15mins spamming AR and I got 2 tobis, 7 scrolls, and 2 feathers. Might be a good place to pad your wallets, but then again I got hit with 5xx dmg quite often. Worth a mention though.

ive gotten quite alot of scrolls there as well, most notable is 8 top wear strs :O

as for the damage, with a zhelm and lvl 90 overall and such, i take about 400 damage on average, if you dont already, invest on the archer elix that adds 20 avoid to help improve their miss rate on you.

As for the thorns, having them to the left while on the thorns can help keep them from kickin you to the break, which should prevent the small amount of time it keeps you from attacking.

[Russt]

Focus works just as well as the archer elixir.

[Sybaris]

I found using blind worked very well at typhoons. Also sitting on one of the thorn bushes taking a constant 8 damage might reduce your pot drain.

I trained there for over an hour last night and got over 80 darkscrolls :f6: , 6 tobi, and ended with more pots than I started with. Even the pure mesos was good!

[Worthyness]

Typhons seem godly exp 0_o

god i hate my slow leveling speed >.> I don't wanna waste anymore charms trying to get there...

my cousin and bro have been faring there. we seem to be having a nice rounds of drops. my bro found 7 tobis in a little less than an hour there 0_o and we can countinually scroll random blue bamboo hats to try and make a godly one xD

i like 30% scrolls =P

[Winry]

Just a clarification about Guardians, they have 4 weapons, and as thus, have 4 different attacks. Most of the attacks do 3.4k~ish but one of them has done a maximum of 4972 dmg to my character.

I'll try to get an SS of it later, its pretty rare (25% chance of seeing it, forget about bumping half the time, misses, and the fact that sometimes they just dont see you).

[Technolink]

The 5k atk is when they swing their mace-ball-spiky-thing-of-doom-with-a-nuclear-bomb-strapped-onto-it-swooosh-shoop-da-whoop.

Yea, that chain and ball does the 5k. O-o

[WingZero]

The 5k atk is when they swing their mace-ball-spiky-thing-of-doom-with-a-nuclear-bomb-strapped-onto-it-swooosh-shoop-da-whoop.

Yea, that chain and ball does the 5k. O-o
Lol yea. I was good enough to survive one hit unlike you. :f3:

[Technolink]

I got killed by another one of his atks, you got killed by the touch damage acuse you were too lazy to pot while ARing!

nub ^ *dies with dignaty*

Oh, and I died at newts today because I decided to try barb + hotdog supreme. Its 2000 hp but its 297 mesos cheaper then a pop. Unfortunately, its also 2 times the chance for pot lag to hit ._.