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Rezzy64
2008-08-13, 04:37 PM
Now I know that there should not be a rivalry between any kind of class. I mean yes there are always going to be class pride and which class can ks better but generally people try to stay away from class rivalry. But I've been looking at the general build of Gunslingers (I personally believe even though based on Dexterity they are more closely related to sins.) based on skills, videos, and commentary based on use. The popular comment that comes up is Gunslinger Damage sucks really bad. But I look at that and then I look at the speed they put out and also I look at (and yes this is surprisingly important) the amount of total ammunition that pirates are allowed to carry compared to how many stars assassins can carry total. Gunslingers are faster then Assassins, but the fact stands that Assassins have better damage then Gunslingers. So then you have to consider which is more important towards you, Damage or Speed? Now I generally look towards speed over damage. I believe that high Damage is pretty important but if you can't dish it out fast enough then your at a loss. Still then you have to consider, Assassins are on their own pretty fast, so at what amount of mere seconds or less than that are Gunslingers faster than them, and most importantly does it really matter to you.
I believe Gunslingers have the higher advantage based on the fact that they have a combination of fast builds plus fast skills. Then somebody could easily say that an assassin has the same things. But then I also look at the fact that Gunslingers also have attacks that do damage to multiple monsters and also they have mid-air combos, both in which Assassins do not have.
So when people are always constantly saying about how bad Gunslingers damage is, I look at this information and simply say that Gunslingers make up for it amazingly.

Sorry this was so long. I'm just tired of people always saying how bad Gunslingers are. I'm very excited about pirates and can't wait. I'm actually curious to see if pirates will start class rivalry... :f6:

Edit: lol I realized I kinda lost track of my own post here. I generally wanted to ask what other people think about this, Do you think that Gunslingers will prove to be better than Assassins based on speed or do you think it wont really matter at all?

Arcanum
2008-08-13, 04:44 PM
Gunslingers are a very different class in that they don't spam 1 skill. They rely on summons, stunning, etc.

it's the variety of skills that will make them fun to play

Holypie
2008-08-13, 05:32 PM
yep. it's all about the summons the freezing, the battleship, and the rapid fire.

Acim
2008-08-13, 05:45 PM
Assassins suck at mobbing. So gunslingers beat them there. anyone beats them there, except beginners. :( However, a sins DPS will quite easily outdamage a gunslingers (looking at videos, that is :<). So, I think 1v1 assassins will win out, gunslingers will only be better at mobs.

VladTheLvr
2008-08-13, 06:04 PM
Assassins suck at mobbing. So gunslingers beat them there. anyone beats them there, except beginners. :( However, a sins DPS will quite easily outdamage a gunslingers (looking at videos, that is :<). So, I think 1v1 assassins will win out, gunslingers will only be better at mobs.

Actually in 4th job, I think a Gunslinger on a Battle ship will out damage a non-appled nightlord.

Holypie
2008-08-13, 08:08 PM
Actually in 4th job, I think a Gunslinger on a Battle ship will out damage a non-appled nightlord.
and on battleship they have topedo to wipe out mobs =D

Takebacker
2008-09-06, 01:46 PM
Actually in 4th job, I think a Gunslinger on a Battle ship will out damage a non-appled nightlord.

Honestly, gunslingers base att is ALMOST as low as a NLs so with apples the damage output wouldn't be that drastically different. It might be even actually. Especially with advanced homing...

JoeTang
2008-09-06, 02:25 PM
Honestly, gunslingers base att is ALMOST as low as a NLs so with apples the damage output wouldn't be that drastically different. It might be even actually. Especially with advanced homing...

NLs get 40% more damage from each point into LUK than a Gunslinger gets from DEX. You can't just compare their base Attack.

Dusk
2008-09-06, 05:46 PM
NLs get 40% more damage from each point into LUK than a Gunslinger gets from DEX. You can't just compare their base Attack.

It's just over 35%, and don't forget STR.

And it doesn't matter how much each point of LUK is worth for them, because Apples add 100 to Weapon Attack, which, assuming the classes are otherwise balanced, should give about the same boost in damage.