Forum upgrade complete + what's ahead...

[BDRyan]

After a longer-than-expected delay, we've finally finished the upgrade to vBulletin 4.0.



A few things you need to know:

Yes we know this skin is butt-ugly. Unfortunately our previous skins are not compatible with this version of vBulletin. On the bright side, the upgrade process imported them anyway but marked them as incompatible so they could not be used. Fiel will be working with these skins over the coming weeks to bring them up to vBulletin 4.0 standards.
All the existing addons we installed before the upgrade have been disabled until we can check compatibility and/or update them for vBulletin 4.0
Some images may be absent. We will be determining which ones are missing and reupload them as they are found.
That should cover it. As this is a major upgrade, we can't really guarantee *everything* works right off the bat. If you find something broken, report it in Site Suggestions. (Edit by Fiel: Do it here (http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?22054-Southperry-functionality-restoration))

Thanks for your patience during this lengthly process!

BDRyan
Southperry.Net Systems Administrator

[Jon]

Hey, at least it looks better here than on... another forum. :f2:


edit; testing stuff.
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[Russt]

Yay the site's up.

So quick reply is invisible until you click reply... hm.

[Turtally]

My...EYES.

:f1:

[Chameleonic]

...this is going to take some getting used to.

I hate how forums keep gettting upgraded when there was nothing wrong with the old ones...

[Greg]

It's like I'm really browsing the Nexon forums.

[Russt]

...this is going to take some getting used to.

I hate how forums keep gettting upgraded when there was nothing wrong with the old ones...
http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?21995-Why-I-hate-computers

[chrome]

I actually like the newer layout in general, skinning would do it wonders.

[Berzerk]

Holy fack. I miss the skins. Although, I'm sure this upgrade will be worth it. Just glad it world nicely on my Moto Droid.

[Takebacker]

I request that the fusion skin be worked on first.

[Chameleonic]

http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?21995-Why-I-hate-computers

:f6: I love computers, I hate forums getting changed "for the better" when it isnt the case, its just change for changes sake.

[BDRyan]

...this is going to take some getting used to.

I hate how forums keep gettting upgraded when there was nothing wrong with the old ones...

Certainly there was nothing wrong with the old ones. But the thing you have to understand is sometimes we do upgrades for security reasons, which is more important. That and we actually bought this thing so we plan to use it.

[Ryanide]

Ah the forums look nice so far.


Although I miss the quick replay being there. One click wouldnt hurt though.


zomg at extended signatures

[Takebacker]

Is it me or are sigs SUPER HUGE now.

[Russt]

Ah the forums look nice so far.


Although I miss the quick replay being there. One click wouldnt hurt though.


zomg at extended signatures
It's still one click. You click the "reply" button and Quick Reply appears.

Edit: and yeah, no sig height limit for now.
Also, no one-click editing ._.

[FlameChocobo]

HOLY MOTHER :pineapple:! First, it's MapleTip that gets an upgrade, and now this!

Just holy crap!

[Russt]

Also, may I suggest you put up a global forum announcement/notice directing to this thread?

[holyforest]

Good God. This is the grodiest thing I've ever seen, but oh well. Everything looks weird now.

And our side facts don't show now. Like ign and stuff.

[sicnarf]

My eyes need adjusting, but I don't really mind how it looks in the interim.

Thanks for the work in upgrading, BD.

[Dual]

Feels weird. I'd say get on retooling the skin first before we go fixing everything else.

Either way, nice job BD. Thanks for doing this. I'm sure everyone will learn to love it.

[VladTheLvr]

What kind of security issues were addressed for this upgrade?

[FelixTM]

I really hope the signature space is reduced to what it was before.

[ItzTaylor]

I come back to the forums and the first thing I see....

Wow....Change...

[Combattente]

It's like I'm really browsing the Nexon forums.

Lol.

Yeah, this skin looks no good, but the forum overall is indeed better I guess.

Nice job, BullDog.

[BDRyan]

I hate the default skin as much as everyone else, but overall I like this new version. I've been poking around here and there and I'm impressed.

[TøbiasBlack]

i will note this, right off of the bat; love the quick reply option with the PM system.

[Combattente]

I hate the default skin as much as everyone else, but overall I like this new version. I've been poking around here and there and I'm impressed.

Will we have the old version of the default skin back, though? =(

I liked it really much and really got used to it..

I don't think I'll ever get used of this one. I don't really like it.

[Russt]

"The skin isn't completely up to speed, but as I'm sure you can see it's taking a step in the right direction. All in due time! ~Fiel"
It wouldn't be a carbon copy but it'll be good enough.
Or better.

[Myles]

I like how you can stay on the same thread whilst posting without having to go to a post and click "Quick Reply".

EDIT: A thing to be noted, the usertitle colours will need to be re-done :f1:

[Greg]

EDIT: A thing to be noted, the usertitle colours will need to be re-done :f1:

What's wrong with them?

[Rob]

Yay the site's up.

So quick reply is invisible until you click reply... hm.

I like the new quick reply quoting system. Looks neat.


I really hope the signature space is reduced to what it was before.

The space is the same as before, just now it REALLY is 200 px tall.

[shroum]

This is amazingly better.
now it just needs a not butt ugly skin...

[XTOTHEL]

I actually, don't mind the posts part of the skin, only the buttons up top bug me a little.

[holyforest]

BD, will you be working on connecting the IRC (flash and java) to the site soon?

[madanthony]

This seems to work now with infinite scroll from the FasterFox add-on. I approve!

[Kirov]

Like I said before the threads look fine it’s just the boards that are offensive. I look forward to seeing how it turns out when things get up to speed. But is it just me or is everything like really small.

[Eos]

What kind of security issues were addressed for this upgrade?

http://www.vbulletin.com/index.php?do=features

[TøbiasBlack]

I actually, don't mind the posts part of the skin, only the buttons up top bug me a little.

OMG, ditto. i hate that new "whats new" tab thing. unless theres a way to dictate what tabs we see up there, i do not like them. perhaps we could look into that?

[Fiel]

The buttons on top are a necessary evil right now. Once we get the vB4 publishing suite up there, you will be able to see Blogs and Articles too. That will give the bar a bit more purpose.

[TøbiasBlack]

so we could speculate seeing MS Patch time notices, updates to the game/site, and personal "this is what happened in my day" type blogs?
what things could be expected to come from it once things get set in order, in terms of articles and others?

[Russt]

Yay for a calendar blurb. This could see some use.

And potential abuse, though, if it's open to all users.

[Jon]

And potential abuse, though, if it's open to all users.

To maybe fix this, create a usergroup for Calendar editors? If that's possible...

[Eos]

To maybe fix this, create a usergroup for Calendar editors? If that's possible...

Or just have it moderated so posts to it have to be approved. It should get pretty much one series of updates a week, except when Nexon has clusternuts like this past few weeks.

[Devil]

Or just have it moderated so posts to it have to be approved. It should get pretty much one series of updates a week, except when Nexon has clusternuts like this past few weeks.I would say, give all members with 500+ post the ability to add events, and if they abuse it once, instant temp ban for 1 month + forever ban from calender additions. :)

[Michaels2]

I really like the upcoming events section at the bottom. Not that I scroll down there much... but nice anyways.

[IllegallySane]

My only current gripe so far is the icons for new/old threads/hot threads feel really fat. I liked the smaller icon. I'll just take some time to adjust to. Otherwise excellent job BullDog!

[FelixTM]

Didn't think I was going to do this, but I have to say awesome work and thank you. I am very resistant to change, especially when I get really set in my ways (like with SP, which is my second home). I didn't like the idea of this upgrade, and I certainly hated it at first. I still have to get used to how New Posts is set up now, but that's not a big deal. I'm loving the VASTLY easier switch between the forums and new posts. The tabs make it so quick and convenient. I'm a fan. Glad to see the calendar being utilized now, too. I hope it stays that way.

I assume (and hope) Default is all done now? I love the great shades of blue and simple, classy design. It's just how I think a forum site should be set up. Once again, great work. I hope it remains like this. No complicating it or adding stylized/themed stuff. That's what other skins are for!

My only complaint is the worthless and annoying icons on the new posts page.

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1101/newposticons.jpg

Can we like...remove them? lol They serve no purpose now that the thread title bold/unbold has been brought back (thankfully <3). They're really just an eyesore and way too big, anyway.

[Jon]

I still have to get used to how New Posts is set up now

What's different about New Posts? Just curious. o-o

[FelixTM]

What's different about New Posts? Just curious. o-o

Just its layout, I mean. Things have been mixed around. For instance, instead of what forum the thread is in being on the right side, it's on the left now right under the thread title. The replies and views count is different, too. Small things like that. I'm having to retrain my eyes where to look for certain details.

[Jon]

Just its layout, I mean. Things have been mixed around. For instance, instead of what forum the thread is in being on the right side, it's on the left now right under the thread title. The replies and views count is different, too. Small things like that. I'm having to retrain my eyes where to look for certain details.

Oh, that. Yeah, I caught up on that fairly quickly. Except... I don't like that it doesn't show what Forum it's in if there's a post in a subforum. If that makes sense.

[Russt]

Didn't think I was going to do this, but I have to say awesome work and thank you. I am very resistant to change, especially when I get really set in my ways (like with SP, which is my second home). I didn't like the idea of this upgrade, and I certainly hated it at first. I still have to get used to how New Posts is set up now, but that's not a big deal. I'm loving the VASTLY easier switch between the forums and new posts. The tabs make it so quick and convenient. I'm a fan. Glad to see the calendar being utilized now, too. I hope it stays that way.

I assume (and hope) Default is all done now? I love the great shades of blue and simple, classy design. It's just how I think a forum site should be set up. Once again, great work. I hope it remains like this. No complicating it or adding stylized/themed stuff. That's what other skins are for!
<3

It's not exactly the same look and feel as the old skin (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a172/never_ever13/howtheheck.png), and in fact some choices were intended to depart from the old skin, but it's the same basic color scheme and I'm already quite used to the new layout. I actually think it's smoother and more polished than the old.

Not everything's done; there's still debate about what to do with the icons that you mentioned as well as the ones on the front page, and there are still some kinks here and there with coloring and whatnot. But yeah for the most part this is what we'll be looking at from now on.

[holyforest]

Yay, now that's the skin is mostly done, Paul can finish fixing things on the restoration list again.

[MaplePorn]

Any reason why /forums/ works but /forums 404's?

[Fiel]

Because /forums tries to look for a file "forums.html" or "forums.php" and can find neither. /forums/ searches for "index.php" or "index.html" in the /forums/ folder, which exists.

[MaplePorn]

It worked before vB4 :( No big deal, though.

[KajitiSouls]

I just realized one thing that's of great appreciation in this forum upgrade.

You can tell the difference between quotes and code boxes now! Hooray! Good scan-reading aid.

[BDRyan]

Because /forums tries to look for a file "forums.html" or "forums.php" and can find neither. /forums/ searches for "index.php" or "index.html" in the /forums/ folder, which exists.

Almost right. The server expects the trailing slash to be included (so as to indicate a directory on the server), otherwise it treats it as a file. The request for /forums will not work because you're telling the server to look for a file called forums (note: no extension) instead of a directory called forums.

EDIT: I've reconfigured the server to treat both requests as a directory request, though I would advise everyone to continue to use /forums/ as the forum's settings treat that as the real path to the forum.

[Eos]

Almost right. The server expects the trailing slash to be included (so as to indicate a directory on the server), otherwise it treats it as a file. The request for /forums will not work because you're telling the server to look for a file called forums (note: no extension) instead of a directory called forums.

Did mod_dir get disabled or changed in some way during the upgrade? It should be handling that automatically.

[BDRyan]

Did mod_dir get disabled or changed in some way during the upgrade? It should be handling that automatically.

No but the filesystem structure was changed. /forums/ is merely an alias now to a filesystem directory that's located outside of the root southperry.net webroot.

To make this work and avoid conflicts, the physical filesystem directory called forums that originally resided in the southperry.net webroot directory was removed (of course after being backed up to my disk). Then the alias was created in the webserver configuration for /forums/ to point to the physical filesystem location of the new forums, which resided outside of the southperry.net webroot. Since at the time I had only aliased /forums/ and not /forums, that resulted in 404 when the latter was used since that directory no longer existed.

[Eos]

/forums no longer existed after the upgrade

Ah, that explains the sudden behavior change.