Assassin questions. A LOT of them.

[Acim]

First off, thanks for reading, I have way too many questions that may be completely worthless to me in the end. Answer anything or everything.

Hi, I play a level 53 Scanian Bandit. Compared to the normal level 53 bandit, I'm pretty good. I've always being looking for that one class that I just love, so far the major ones I've had are my DK, my page, my bandit, and now I want to try out an assassin.

I plan on going no DEX, without DEX equips even. So pure LUK, my final equips being a Skanda, zhelm, HT pendant/CPQ necklace, Facestompers, maybe a face accessory, PAC scrolled for LUK, 13+ att SCG, and a LUK Sauna. Oh and, LUK earrings, maybe Gold Emerald. Would being completely no DEX advised? Would it be as good as Low DEX, no DEX with DEX equips, and a normal DEX assassin?

Then there's HP washing. Could someone fill me in on this? Would it be devastating to add a few AP to HP instead of wasting tons of real life money?

Finally, from your personal experience and views, do you like assassins and do you think I will enjoy them? I will try them out for a bit and see if I prefer them over bandits, but I wanna see what the people of SP have to say on the subject. (I know they are expensive, it's not that big a deal.) And, according to the charts, the average assassin/hermit/NL would outdamage a bandit/CB/Shadower? (Don't think I'm a typical damage wh0re KSing assassin, please. It's a question.) Thanks, and I may have some more questions.

Oh, and, what's the best assassin guide out there? And I like bossing. Would Zakum require tons of HP washing? =\

[Dusk]

I don't like Assassins, from level 10 - 200 the strategy behind playing one doesn't differ from jumping and throwing stars at a single target. They just get speed and damage upgrades, and some money conserving skills like Alchemist, Meso Up, and Drain. Their commitment to excelling at single-target damage leaves them with a weakness in mobbing (they are arguably the worst class at mobbing in the game). That's why I don't play one, but of course a lot of people will beg to differ on that (seeing as how they are one of the most popular classes).

Adding points into HP instead of washing has been tried before by archers, and it's been shown that you can make up the damage you lose by upgrading your equips with the money you save (assuming you'd buy NX to hp wash).

Can't answer the other questions for you :(

[Blankout]

I plan on going no DEX, without DEX equips even. So pure LUK, my final equips being a Skanda, zhelm, HT pendant/CPQ necklace, Facestompers, maybe a face accessory, PAC scrolled for LUK, 13+ att SCG, and a LUK Sauna. Would being completely no DEX advised? You'll be very very strong, but it'll burn a huge hole in in your pocket. And maybe your underwear.

Would it be as good as Low DEX, no DEX with DEX equips, and a normal DEX assassin? You'll would be stronger than all of those.

Then there's HP washing. Could someone fill me in on this? How to do it,, you mean? To HP wash, you level up while wearing INT equips (10 INT = 1 extra MP during level up), and then, when you have something like 10-20extra MP, you reset MP into HP. Easy peasy. (

Would it be devastating to add a few AP to HP instead of wasting tons of real life money? Probably not, but your damage won't be at its full potential.

Finally, from your personal experience and views, do you like assassins and do you think I will enjoy them? Do you mind spamming one move for levels on end? Do you mind sometimes being insulted because your a sin? Do you like high damage and agility?

I will try them out for a bit and see if I prefer them over bandits, but I wanna see what the people of SP have to say on the subject. (I know they are expensive, it's not that big a deal.) And, according to the charts, the average assassin/hermit/NL would outdamage a bandit/CB/Shadower? (Don't think I'm a typical damage wh0re KSing assassin, please. It's a question.) Thanks, and I may have some more questions. I don't think it'll be a good idea for me to answer this.

Oh, and, what's the best assassin guide out there? There aren't many, and I don't think there are any in Southperry.

And I like bossing. Would Zakum require tons of HP washing? =\ Zakum probably won't require much HP washing, if any.

Answered.

[Acim]

Thanks for the answers, I'm going to grind my butt to 50 and see if I like it.

[LazyBui]

Would it be as good as Low DEX, no DEX with DEX equips, and a normal DEX assassin?

This is a highly subjective question with no real solid answer. Any of the above can have ridiculous luck with scrolling and beat you for however much money you spend on gear - whether it's NX or meso.

In most probable scenarios, dexless scrolled for luk will beat dexless scrolled for dex, if that's what your question is. Dexless scrolled for luk is quite a strong contender, especially with Skandas. However, the maximum potential is lower than that of dexless scrolled for dex.

Likewise, spending points in dex is worth it if you end up with enough weapon attack. An average Sleve could theoretically end up at 85 weapon attack, if you had a 34 Skanda and +7'd it with 30/10, you'd have a 69 weapon attack claw. The extra 16 does make a large difference.

However, the Sleve also requires 150 dex as opposed to the Skanda's requirement of 25 (Yes, I know it doesn't actually require this amount, but being a thief does). That's 125 dex you have to find from stats or gear, either way, you lose out on quite a bit of luk.

Basically, it's hard to determine how to build your character if you don't have specific gear in mind.

It seems like you're pretty set on dexless scrolled for luk (if scrolled at all). You'll be a lot like many others before you and after you. Depending on your gear, you may or may not do more damage than any player of the types you mentioned in your question. So really, a couple of your questions aren't really very answerable. Long-winded response considering that fact, huh.

[Acim]

Thanks for the answer, LazyBui. Does anyone have a typical assassin build?

[Mopsy]

For skills the best imo is something like this.

3-6 booster -> Critical Throw -> Booster/haste -> Drain -> Mastery

[butterfλi]

Would it be as good as Low DEX, no DEX with DEX equips, and a normal DEX assassin?
The best would be a low dex top/bottom user with some high atk claw (60+). But to getting there isn't easy. Go dexless with a 4x atk kandayo then just to some high 4x or even 5x atk skanda and that can last you to 15x which is when 6x atk claws become better than 5x atk skandas.


Would it be devastating to add a few AP to HP instead of wasting tons of real life money?
This game is all about damage comparison. Every point into hp is 1 point lost to luk. If you don't care about a few points of luk, go on and add. Since you're worried about being weak (like your first question hint), don't add any hp; you only need washing for HT--NOTHING ELSE.

Do you like assassins and do you think I will enjoy them?
Hard to say what you'll enjoy when people on the forums knows very little about your preferences.


Oh, and, what's the best assassin guide out there?
Max every 2nd job skill except for endure. Max every 3rd job skill except for shadow meso. Max dark sight.

Would Zakum require tons of HP washing?
A level 120 hermit can zakum with hb. Usually zakum groups give the ranged party with hb so you'll have plenty without washing. Level 120 is when hermits start doing real damage to zakum anyway.

[Acim]

Would it be as good as Low DEX, no DEX with DEX equips, and a normal DEX assassin?
[B]The best would be a low dex top/bottom user with some high atk claw (60+). But to getting there isn't easy. Go dexless with a 4x atk kandayo then just to some high 4x or even 5x atk skanda and that can last you to 15x which is when 6x atk claws become better than 5x atk skandas.

Thanks for your answers, but remember there is a 40 attack, 7 slot DEXless level 90 claw coming out with CWK, as well as 30 attack stars. And the claws speed is faster, so I'm sure that would affect something.

Thanks again :P

[Silver_ice]

if u can get a hold of a maple claw(kandayo/skanda) or a bracer and use it to whatever lvl u do not need to put pts into booster.
typical build
10-30
max keen eyes
10 nimble
20 darksight
20 l7( duh

30-70
with a faster claw( again no need for booster, ur faster claw is already at the same atk speed u get with booster)

few pts into mastery(5)
max critical throw
max haste
if u switch to a fast speed claw, get booster, if not u can get drain
then booster
finish with mastery
(skill maxed or close should be)
drain
mastery
booster(15 or higher)
haste
critical throw

once ur 70. the fun begins

if ur funded and have a bishop friend. go to himes and put a point or so into flashjump
then max avenger so u can hit 6 himes and leech

if ur not

max shadow partner
flash jump
avenger
alchemist
meso up

then u can max nimble or darksight, whichever u forgot
finish with
either shadow web or shadow meso( i prefer meso, some prefer web)

ill list the pros/cons of both

shadow meso
+ the dmg is very random, u can blow up people that invade ur pianus.
+ incase u run out of stars for whatever reason, u can still kill a boss
+its very shiny,
+ it can kb bosses even though its quite rare

- its expensive
- its dmg is quite random
- even weak ass hermits now a days can outdmg shadow meso


shadow web:
+ u can solo tengu with it by holding back himes
+ it can help at grims
+ u can use it for jr newties

- the 20 sp doesnt make much difference from lvl 1 sp to 20
- shadow web is slow
- its not 100% when maxed
- nl train at jr newties? f6.

[Acim]

Doesn't booster still improve speed on faster weapons? With Faster daggers on my dit, booster made an affect. And if I ever fell stupid and switch to Low DEX and get a scarab, I'd need it. I just got a 50 attack Bracer, so I'm set for level 55. X_x

[LazyBui]

It will improve your throwing speed, but the only time you'll notice a difference is if you're standing in place and constantly throwing.

A faster (3) claw allows you throw stars while jumping and still move when you land. That is no different from any claw with Claw Booster. You can only throw one time in a normal jump regardless of weapon speed, but some stop you from moving when you hit the ground.

It makes a pretty big difference because you don't really sit there and throw for the majority of the stuff you level on around those levels.

[Acim]

Posted in the Ask a Thieves Thread, but I'd like more than one opinion.


Could someone give me some UPDATED funded dexless assassin training spots that merit decent %/hour? I don't know much about hermits, but I've got my planned assassin training down:

10-20: Caution: Falling Down (done with these levels)
20-30: Excavation site (NEarly done with these levels)
30-50: CPQ against my mule, awesome EXP, I'll get through these levels in 2~3 days depending on how much my other computer is occupied
50-60: STDs
60-70: Voodoos/hoodoos

These spots merit decent %/hour, especially the lower leveled ones (got from level 1 to 24 in a quarter of a day. So, I need some training advice after 70.

EDIT: Is KPQ decent EXP? Like better than the Excavation Site? (I think I need a break from that.)

EDIT2: I heard bosses like Bigfoot, Black Crow/Tengo and Bigfoot are good in the later levels (150+). Is that true?

[TheSmartGuy]

Oh, and, what's the best assassin guide out there?

Uh, it would probably be this one: http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/677509/0//AkemiMegamis_guide_for_Assassins__Hermits__Night_L ords.html# I would recommend a SW guide, but they're mostly outdated.

[FantaTwist]

You need 12 MP for one wash. In other words 120 INT for 1 wash but these can be stacked in levels.

[Acim]

Here's a question. Do Avenger + TT have the same damage formula as L7?

[Dyxanije]

Here's a question. Do Avenger + TT have the same damage formula as L7?

I believe TT does but I don't think Avenger does.

[randompeep]

Thanks for your answers, but remember there is a 40 attack, 7 slot DEXless level 90 claw coming out with CWK, as well as 30 attack stars. And the claws speed is faster, so I'm sure that would affect something.

Thanks again :P

Those stars are so incredibly hard to get, none exist as of writing this. Getting a claw is a random chance from CWK's exchange quest, so you may get a dex claw.

Of course, that dexless claw and the Balanced Fury stars are very good.

[jrvillarreal]

Those stars are so incredibly hard to get, none exist as of writing this. Getting a claw is a random chance from CWK's exchange quest, so you may get a dex claw.

Of course, that dexless claw and the Balanced Fury stars are very good.

Not exactly, a 'ravens wing' can be obtained from the exchange quest, which I believe requires DEX, but you can then upgrade it with one of the three taos to UR CHOICE of Dusk/night/dawn ravn's wing. One of which (I forget which) is dexless, has 5 less WAtt, but has a faster speed:glitter: just made a dexless sin and, gotta say, the damage is smexy:redface:

[Acim]

just made a dexless sin and, gotta say, the damage is smexy:redface:

Totally. I think I hit my first 1k damage once I maxed L7 (around level 17), but I had better equips back then. (I blew them up :<)

[Silver_ice]

Here's a question. Do Avenger + TT have the same damage formula as L7?

no

avenger is affected by mastery.

but lucky7/TT follow their own formulas.

[Sivrat]

Will Dexless be better then Low Dex/ Normal DEX. For the same amount of funding, i would say dexless would be stronger early on, but Low/DEX will win towards the end, unless you are truly poor, in which case its kinda hard to be damage whore. But As time goes on, dexless may win out, depending on what is released. If the release shoe luk, helm luk scrolls and a level 100-110 dexless claw, dexless may still be stronger for same funding at level 16x lol. But with Dexless you lose out on 13-17 dex on helm base, and there are no helm luk so there is that, plus on average top/bottom is gonna give you more stats then overall., for a better cost. Plus when you get down to it, any skanda over like 54 atk is going to cost more then 60 atk craven(its an estimate).
You figure initial 25dex plus 15 from helm is 40, and getting an extra 15(making 30 dex helm) on helm isnt THAT hard now, so 55, plus 22 if you can afford pendant and egg, thats 77, decent bottoms are like 14dex, so thats 91, 12 dex earrings arent too hard to come by, so you up to 103, pair of 5 dex FS, and you are at 108. Then you though in nose, cause you mentioned you can afford one, and thats another 3-5ish for avg, so thats 113. You have 27 more to dex to get with Eye Acc, cape, and some ap put, or you could just use sauna instead of top/bottom. W/e. lets say you keep luk cape, no Eye ACC, and you use top/bottom, 27 points into dex and 60 atk claw > 27 points into luk and more expensive 54 atk claw.