What is Shadow Meso?

[TheSmartGuy]

http://global.hidden-street.net/search_finder/shadow%20meso

The skill description doesn't make any sense to me.

What does Shadow Meso do? How much does it suck? Does it have any practical uses? :goggle:

[MetaSeraphim]

Lol, never mind.

[Will]

It was used during the Halloween event for items from Malady. Other than that it's an attack from one of the CWKPQ bosses.

Should have read a tad better? He meant the skill :tongue:

Anyways, it just throws your mesos as an attack, not really useful at all, I think. More of a fun skill, but I'm no expert on Hermits.

[Corn]

It was used during the Halloween event for items from Malady. Other than that it's an attack from one of the CWKPQ bosses.

Lolwut?

Shadow Meso is a skill that uses mesoes insteads of stars. Throws a set amount of damage, so when you max it, you'll never do more damage with it again (unless you use Shadow Partner)

[Devil]

Does anyone know yet if it works with Sharp Eyes? Especially since it has it's own critical formula...

I've asked this around on many fora already, but noone seems to know it...

Any Hermit/NL with maxed Shadow Meso (or unmaxed...) any clue about this? :)

[Cynic]

Does anyone know yet if it works with Sharp Eyes? Especially since it has it's own critical formula...

I've asked this around on many fora already, but noone seems to know it...

Any Hermit/NL with maxed Shadow Meso (or unmaxed...) any clue about this? :)

But why would it matter, seeing as triple throw completely overpowers it in 4th job. Also, even if it was worth using in third job, it would really kill your mesos....Wait, even then it won't matter because with shadow partner, it only hits twice vs lucky 7 hitting 4 times

[Hazzy]

But why would it matter, seeing as triple throw completely overpowers it in 4th job. Also, even if it was worth using in third job, it would really kill your mesos....Wait, even then it won't matter because with shadow partner, it only hits twice vs lucky 7 hitting 4 times

>>Implying Hermits are short on meso

If the critical formula was enough of a bonus with or without SE, it could have practical uses. I doubt it, but I know little to nothing of Hermits.

[Cynic]

>>Implying Hermits are short on meso

If the critical formula was enough of a bonus with or without SE, it could have practical uses. I doubt it, but I know little to nothing of Hermits.

I'm way short on mesos, unlike every "stereotypical hermit" I am poor...

[Takebacker]

But why would it matter, seeing as triple throw completely overpowers it in 4th job. Also, even if it was worth using in third job, it would really kill your mesos....Wait, even then it won't matter because with shadow partner, it only hits twice vs lucky 7 hitting 4 times

First of all, it hits hard.

Second of all, number of hits has nothing whatsoever to do with how much DPS a class can do. In this specific example, sure, L7 > SM, but it has some potential in my opinion.

[Kawasari Mimoto]

I have lv 1 Shadow Meso on my Night Lord just for the hell of it. Basically, it ignores weapon-def. Imagine "Sacrifice" from a PADK, or a Hybrid DK. Same rule applies, except this is long-ranged. It's like '1' coin per attack. With Shadow Partner, it's '2'. It does crappy damage at first, I'm not sure when maxed, since.. I know no one that even maxed it. Shadow Web isn't even really useful either. <_<

[Hazzy]

First of all, it hits hard.

Second of all, number of hits has nothing whatsoever to do with how much DPS a class can do. In this specific example, sure, L7 > SM, but it has some potential in my opinion.

I think he was hinting at how hitting more frequently means more chance for critical damage -> higher DPS.
Not sure if the higher occurrence is balanced out by lesser damage or not.

[Corn]

Helps in certain situations if you run out of stars, I guess...

[Cynic]

First of all, it hits hard.

Second of all, number of hits has nothing whatsoever to do with how much DPS a class can do. In this specific example, sure, L7 > SM, but it has some potential in my opinion.

I always thought more hits = higher chances of landing critical :f4:

I just feel that by the time you max it, probably around 80 (if you skip avenger and FJ) and by then you can just hold down a button at newties.

[Takebacker]

Requesting max damage possible with max SM and SE.


I always thought more hits = higher chances of landing critical :f4:

I just feel that by the time you max it, probably around 80 (if you skip avenger and FJ) and by then you can just hold down a button at newties.

Biggest influences of DPS = speed of the attack and base power of the attack.

Point and case: Battleship cannon. Less shots than TT, comparable speed, way more power.

[Cynic]

Lucky 7 - Level 20: MP -16; Damage 150% x 2 Hits

So if my range was 100~100, I would do 2 hits of 150?

SM - Level 30: Uses min. 340 mesos, max. 800 mesos; Basic attack +50% with 10% success rate


Wouldn't basic attack be your range? Meaning if you have 100~100, you have a 10% chance of doing 150 damage? And since SP only gives 80% to the 2nd hit, it would do 150/120. Would the effect of critical and SE really influence SM that much :f6:

[Takebacker]

SM doesn't go off your attack range.

[Cynic]

SM doesn't go off your attack range.

Seriously? :eek:

Sorry about that i'm such a noob :f4:

[Devil]

Shadow Mesos hits hard indeed when maxed, I believe I once saw 20k+ criticals, without SE. But I can't find it on youtube anymore... :(

And since it's not attack range based, I'm just interested how it works in relation with SE. Both damage wise -and- critical hit chance wise. Base critical at max lvl is 10% chance.

And yeah, like Meso Explosion, Assaulter and Sacrifice, it's once of the few skills who ignore wdef.

[Sn1perJohnE]

This skill intrigues me a-@ i wanna see someone max it D:

[Takebacker]

I just realized the formula is in the formula compilation thread.

I suppose the +50% makes the max 800 base into 1200 base, times 10 is 12k for the first hit. With SE i suppose it would be +190%?

[TheSmartGuy]

Does anyone actually have a screenshot of someone using Shadow Meso?

[CarrionCrow]

Not right this instance. But I can describe it:
Lower level shadow meso: You throw a golden meso coin instead of a star.
Higher level shadow meso: You throw a bundle of meso bills.
Effect: Set damage based on the mesos used, which is also set between amount A and B. Once it was stronger than lucky 7, before all the attack boosts and 4th job, now its not even worth to consider.

[Silver_ice]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0PVGkiZgQk

heres me using it. way back when i was 130 around the time ludi was new and stuff.

i use it at around 30-40 seconds in i think.

it does random dmg. up to 12k with a single shot and no it doesnt work with se

u can wear a lvl 20 claw and do the same dmg u do with SM as a lvl 80 claw. its not based off your range. it throws a random amount of meso at a monster and applies dmg im not sure how

its one use for me is using it to bomb people that invade my fish, random dmg under 10k= win at bombs.

[Alloy]

Coming from a NL. It's quite useless counting Triple throw, but hey, the poster above me found a use, I guess!

But anyways, you are better off getting Shadow Web or EVEN endure. 21 mp per 10 seconds is awesome :D

[CarrionCrow]

Coming from a NL. It's quite useless counting Triple throw, but hey, the poster above me found a use, I guess!

But anyways, you are better off getting Shadow Web or EVEN endure. 21 mp per 10 seconds is awesome :D

I went with shadow web. Then I had 11 points left on the 3rd job skills. I wish I had used em on darksight and endure instead of shadow meso. Back then in the ancient "wtf is 4th job" days stars ran out at zakum so it had some uses still. C'est la vie.

[LittlePrincess]

Well the only use I see for it is if you run out of stars somewhere and you can't recharge.

I dumped 11 sp into it for this purpose. But the only time I actually ran out of stars I forgot that I had it and left the boss fight. =/ (And after that the new limit for use rows came out and now I can hold enough stars to throw for 8 hours or something crazy.)

I deciced it was more useful than double stab, disorder, and drain and dumped all my extra 3rd job sp there. But it's not hotkeyed, and I've never used it. f3

My NL maxed DS, and Endure and 1 sp in Drain. 11 sp left for shadow meso.

[kingdj333]

I'm gonna max the skill! =D

[Kawasari Mimoto]

Only way to max Shadow Meso without wasting SP for better skills that has higher priority would be to 'not' max DS, don't put any points into Shadow Web at all, and get non-maxed Drain. Drain is efficient at lv 10-15 anyways. I still use Drain even at 133 or so (though mine is maxed.....)

[kingdj333]

I'm going to max Booster (18) and Dark Sight (5) <~ lol, I'm not planning on touching Shadow web either. I was actually curious about the skill myself. =x

[Takebacker]

You can max DS in 1st job. >_>

[Kawasari Mimoto]

I'm going to max Booster (18) and Dark Sight (5) <~ lol, I'm not planning on touching Shadow web either. I was actually curious about the skill myself. =x

My Booster is also 18, I chose not to max that either. 18 is decent for a NL.

If you meant curious about Web, uhhh... the only times you'll even use it:

-At Himes, when soloing Tengu (don't bother unless you're incredibly strong)
-At Ludi or somewhere when there are newbies going through Grims or Vikings, and you just want to help them pass easier, so you're on the ladder spamming Web like mad.
-Maybe in Leafre if you're passing Wyverns, but most likely, you'd rather go into DS-mode and just walk through them, or just FJ.

Tl;dr: Web has very little uses.

[kingdj333]

My Booster is also 18, I chose not to max that either. 18 is decent for a NL.

If you meant curious about Web, uhhh... the only times you'll even use it:

-At Himes, when soloing Tengu (don't bother unless you're incredibly strong)
-At Ludi or somewhere when there are newbies going through Grims or Vikings, and you just want to help them pass easier, so you're on the ladder spamming Web like mad.
-Maybe in Leafre if you're passing Wyverns, but most likely, you'd rather go into DS-mode and just walk through them, or just FJ.

Tl;dr: Web has very little uses.

I'm not interested in Shadow Web, I'm interested in Shadow Mesos. lol, and I already know all that. I just need to hit 120- I refuse to leech and apples are fking expensive right now... so I can't apple train at newties like I do.:blush: