MTS and Islanders

[Derimed]

I remember this issue tackled in Sleepy, when MTS first came out. Do Islanders consider MTS purchase to be "cheating?" How has MTS changed Maple Island? Has the community diminished since MTS came out?

I quit Maple and was never an Islander, I am just curious.

[Afrobean]

I think it's kind of weasel-y, but not "cheating". Then again, I'm not a "islander", because my few characters on the island are far from active. I would say it's probably right around 2x exp card using.

I do know that when I was fooling around on my camper, it was a bit unnerving to see people with min damage over 8 without being pure dex, and knowing that I dealt with being pure dex up to like level 9 before I could get my 100% 1hk, and these guys spent a few bucks on MTS and got items that aren't even supposed to be obtainable there.

Either way, they're not really game breaking either way. Even investing a lot of money in MTS, they'd only have a slight advantage (or potentially, none at all).

[Blankout]

Using the MTS is not "cheating". It's completely legit, or else why would Nexon allow it? The MTS doesn't give a significant advantage to islanders anyway. "I can one hit orange mushies 34% of the time, but with my new MTS weapon, I can one hit them 37% of time! Yippee!"

[Migrant]

"I can one hit orange mushies 34% of the time, but with my new MTS weapon, I can one hit them 37% of time! Yippee!"

Speed, weapon defence and weapon attack are pretty big factors - speed lets you move faster, thus kill faster; weapon defence lets you take less damage, thus have to use less potions (most higher level islanders have enough def to only take 1 damage anyway); weapon attack gives higher minimum and maximum damage dependant on the weapon - my islander at level 30 with pure STR and 20 DEX has a minimum of 33 with a Maple Umbrella and 26 with a White Valentines Rose. If I had a scrolled Pumpkin Lantern say, my minimum damage could be up to 60 - allowing me to also gain exp faster.


I personally don't use MTS on my Islander, however I do use my Islander as an MTS merchant. My reasons are simple - with MTS items on my Islander, I don't really have anything to hunt for, and thus get bored of training far quicker. Using my Islander as an MTS merchant forces me to train to gain 5k Mesos to sell items, thus giving me will to train.

My opinion is that if you want to use MTS you may as well leave the Island as using MTS really doesn't give you much of a challenge.

[NoJobNoRules]

It isn't on par with 2x exp cards at all. We mark the rankings for anyone who uses them, because you have to kill half the mushies as opposed to the guy who doens't buy it. Islandering is a grindfest and who can grind farther, and that achievement shouldn't be ignored because of someone who used money and did half of that.

Do Islanders consider MTS purchase to be "cheating?"

MTS isn't considered cheating since virtually anyone can earn NX if they can't buy it(10% overall dex is available on island, not to mention maple items dropped during the event).

How has MTS changed Maple Island?

Some islanders, like myself (NoJobNoRules, lvl 42 in Bellocan), refuse to use it. missw3etooth doesn't use it either and she's the highest legit islander atm. I choose not to use it because if I want to use offisland equips, I'll make a perma. I'll continue to use my white rose/maple sword until I switch to my blue rose/soul singer.

Most islanders choose to use it if they get into a decent 2x level or higher. I rarely see any new islander that gets 3x+ and doesn't use it. Most have accepted the fact that it exists, and you might as well use it.

How has MTS changed Maple Island?

Aside from those of us who don't use it, it makes finding equips and scrolls unimportant. Landing a 10% Helm Def on a Green Headband/White Bandana or a 10% Shoe Jump on a White Gomushin is no longer an awesome feat. 13 Def Blue One Line T Shirts are no longer the perfect equip, and those that use MTS could care less about finding Ice Jeans.

Many of them don't grind as much since they don't have a reason to unless they have some equip they want to wield and think they can reach that level(green paint brush at level 30, etc).

Has the community diminished since MTS came out?

I'd say yes. Even Scania isn't as active as it used to be. I think Islanders as a class are starting to die out. One of the big things was that you had limited armors and weapons to use on island. With MTS, aside from a few things they excluded, the possibilities of what you can yield on island are now limitless. It took away from it.



As for the advantage to using it: Heck yea its there. NoJobNoRules is currently level 42. If I moved over my Icarus 2 Cape, my Bone Helm, and bought a glowing whip, I would have these stats for my Speed/Jump:

40 Speed (8(bone) + 10(ic2) + 4(gomushins, +1 10%) + 18(glowing whip))
10 Jump (5(gomus) + 5(bone))

Not to mention I could probably get some 10-13 Jump Pants if I really wanted to.

That speed/jump boost would allow me to move way faster then normal and kill monsters a lot faster. Even something like a Maple Umbrella, which only gives around 12 speed, has proven to be faster training then a White Rose or Maple Sword.


Defense isn't that big of an issue since they nerfed the damage on monsters. You can easily take 1 Defense without putting much effort into it, regardless of using MTS. Red Pots drop often enough that the chance of you even dieing after level 12 or so is pretty small. :s


Weapon attack makes a huge difference though. Pure STR islanders can easily have a minimum damage reaching 9x or 10x and have a max of going up to over 1k. That definitly beats my 3x ~ 58x range with a White Rose.

[mrgiz]

I don't consider using MTS on Maple Island "cheating" at all.
If it's there, why not take advantage of it?
You won't be "truer" if you refuse not to.
That's just dumb reasons to consider one being "illegit" or "not fair".
Anyway, that's my opinion.

[Bws2cool]

It isnt cheating. It is discuraged though. Now you can have tons of speed and kill monsters way faster.

It has made alot of islanders quit. Some might not even come on for events anymore o_o
It killed 3/4 of the old islanders and they got replaced by newbies.

[NoJobNoRules]

A few islanders quit. I think most have just gone inactive out of boredom really. :s


Not too many people have actually said: "I quit because of MTS."


So eh. :s

[Ormesalypt]

Buying NX only gives non-islanders an advantage over people who don't buy NX (MTS is only unfair to off-island people). The equips that increase speed, jump, att, DEX, etc that islanders can wear are fairly cheap, so someone who bought NX doesn't actually have an advantage in acquiring those items over someone who started with no NX at all.

Speed, jump, and weapon att. make very little difference for islanders, since we OHKO most of the time anyway and since mushrooms and snails spawn in mobs. Highers stats make a much bigger difference for off-island chars.

Unless your islander is your only character in all of MapleStory, it's really easy to make enough NX to buy good equips by selling items on other chars. Just ask some of the islanders who have good MTS equips. You can MTS on-island stuff like Omok pieces, red snail shells, scrolls, etc.

Walking to the nearest location that has NX cards or buying NX online is obviously a bit faster than selling random items for NX, but that's a difference of a few days of waiting at most. You don't have to spend hours merchanting to get enough NX for good equips for an islander.

[Migrant]

Speed, jump, and weapon att. make very little difference for islanders, since we OHKO most of the time anyway and since mushrooms and snails spawn in mobs.

I have to disagree with that. When I found my Maple Umbrella my training became so much faster - and that's just a 13 speed increase; with MTS you could easily get max speed.

Lower level Islanders do not Ohko most of the time, especially the Pure DEX and Magelanders - yet with MTS their minimum damage shoots up. Heck it wouldn't supprise me if you could hit a minimum of 80 at level 15 now due to MTS.

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I will however like to stress that I'm not anti-MTS and in fact my new Yellonde Islander will probably make good use of it.

[Derimed]

One more thing, what's so bad about using a 2x card? It's not hacking, scamming etc., and if I start a character, I would hope to get him to like lvl 15x or whatever someday. As it stands, the #1 beginner is LightWepon, lvl 131, which is 100% impossible without 2x.

[ahoboandahal]

One more thing, what's so bad about using a 2x card? It's not hacking, scamming etc., and if I start a character, I would hope to get him to like lvl 15x or whatever someday. As it stands, the #1 beginner is LightWepon, lvl 131, which is 100% impossible without 2x.

Perma-Beginners that high leveld only leach. They dont train themselves at all.

[mrgiz]

As it stands, the #1 beginner is LightWepon, lvl 131, which is 100% impossible without 2x.

It's not like somebody can train a Beginner up to that point and not go insane.
I'm not sure if Light has 2x, he probably does though, but he does leech, obviously.
When you have to start leeching your character, the fun is just gone.

[Derimed]

It's not like somebody can train a Beginner up to that point and not go insane.
I'm not sure if Light has 2x, he probably does though, but he does leech, obviously.
When you have to start leeching your character, the fun is just gone.

Uh... it doesn't sound like he has much of a choice. If you're like 11x and training on Drakes using Beginner weapons and no skills, no matter how well scrolled... yeah, I think you'd go insane.

Is there an ig asylum by any chance? :eek:

[NoJobNoRules]

The 2x exp card was referenced to islanders, not permas. The reason we decided on that is because the most EXP you can gain from ANYTHING is 15. With cards, you can easily gain 30 constantly. They aren't exactly cheap either, and at the time we decided on this, Trade wasn't out. Even now, it is really hard to make enough NX to get one.

It really just cuts the grinding in half. So yea....it was a messy debate, someone can probably sum it up better. >_<

[Migrant]

Off-Island players have various classes; a wider range of equipment; and most importantly Skills. It's possible for a level 10 character to get to level 20 off-Island quicker than a player who uses 2x EXP cards if they have somewhat 'godly' equipment. Maple Island has no Attack-increasing Scrolls; no Speed-increasing Scrolls; and a very limited supply of equipment. In a sense, Islanders are equal.

2x EXP just like Maple Trade ruins this equality. It changes rankings and in a way makes life unfair on others. Why spend 2 years or so grinding to level 50 without NX when you can spend just 1 year doing it? The same can be said for MTS - why spend 2 years grinding to level 50 without MTS when you can dramatically cut your training time down by using MTS?

MTS and 2x EXP make things more like what off-Island MapleStory is. Most Islanders play their Islanders to be different to off-Island players, and thus when someone comes along with their godly MTS equipment and 2x EXP cards, it in a way creates an unbalance.

[Beaner]

One more thing, what's so bad about using a 2x card? It's not hacking, scamming etc., and if I start a character, I would hope to get him to like lvl 15x or whatever someday. As it stands, the #1 beginner is LightWepon, lvl 131, which is 100% impossible without 2x.

lightwepon hasnt trained since his 7x days. once 4th came out all he has done is leech of bishops. i dont see why people want to make a begginner and then not use it, sit on a rope gain exp and say "i is 131" leeching there is something a monkey could do, there is no achievement in that.

[NoJobNoRules]

Uh... it doesn't sound like he has much of a choice. If you're like 11x and training on Drakes using Beginner weapons and no skills, no matter how well scrolled... yeah, I think you'd go insane.

Is there an ig asylum by any chance? :eek:

People say the same thing about training an islander to 48-50. *points to 3 who got to 48, 49, and 50*

He could possibly train to that level, but yea, the experience wouldn't be that great at all. :s

I do wish there was some way besides leeching so permas would actually be training themselves and stuff, but eh. :/

[Migrant]

Beginners shouldn't be allowed to join/make parties. Muahahahaha.
Other than that, I don't see how you'd stop a Beginner from leeching.

[Brandini]

I remember back when Beginners leveled by training and not leeching.

[Migrant]

I remember back when Beginners leveled by training and not leeching.

Me too.
Heck things were looking good for EMS with that too. 9 months in and still no leeched beginners - heck, almost a level 70 that hasn't leeched!

10 months in - level 75 leeched beginner. 1-75 in 1 month. :f7: