Various issues with the Pirate job

[Mark]

Description of Issue:
The Pirate job (mostly Brawler branch) has had various issues with it since the Pirate patch of last year. These problems range from glitched skills (while in a Transformed state, Somersault Kick and Drain move much slower than it should. Also if you cast buffs while on a rope it lags considerably.), sounds (1st job Pirate skills share the sounds from the GM skill book.), and some visual mistakes. (Pirates are labeled as "Beginners" on the log in screen.)

Why this issue needs attention:
It's just sloppy work. If people on a fan site can find out what is wrong with a job, how hard could it be for Nexon to find the problems? You wouldn't walk into a job interview with a resume full of typos. It's just shoddy workmanship. Plus, Drain and SSK being hindered really kills the point of using Transform.

Desired Action or Resolution:
What else can I say? These problems have been plaguing Pirates since the beginning. Obviously the desired action is to get these fixed. At least the more important ones like Drain and SSK being nearly unusable during Transformation. I'm just baffled that these issues could go ignored for over a year.

[kingdj333]

I agree, I practically gave up on them when I hit 70...

[Takebacker]

You forgot the speed cap of fastet (2) makes SI much less valuable than it should be.

I would love drain being fixed in transform.

[Sarah]

Throwing my support behind this because, while it has no effect on me, it should still be fixed.

[Mark]

You forgot the speed cap of fastet (2) makes SI much less valuable than it should be.

I would love drain being fixed in transform.

Was that confirmed to be a glitch? If so, we'll just add this to the list of problems.

[Takebacker]

Was that confirmed to be a glitch? If so, we'll just add this to the list of problems.

Don't think so, but there's no feasible reason why it shouldn't be fastest (1). The cap exists in the first place because of speed hackers. They just set the cap too high when SI came around.

[Kalovale]

Full support. But what about Pirates have no scrolls?

[TøbiasBlack]

Full support. But what about Pirates have no scrolls?

oh, they do have scrolls...
least, i know they do. i had a 60% knuckle in windia i was trying to sell (to no avail, ever) before i quit MS.

[Takebacker]

oh, they do have scrolls...
least, i know they do. i had a 60% knuckle in windia i was trying to sell (to no avail, ever) before i quit MS.

He meant 60% miracle scrolls, the 65%/15% scroll event, and the 50% scrolls.

[TøbiasBlack]

oh, my bad. =x

[McAwesomesauce]

I think it's because 15 and 65% scrolls existed before pirates, and they just re-added them without bothering to add Gun & Knuckle scrolls.

[RealityTV]

lol, they fixed the 'down' warrior typo with dawn warriors on the stat screen but they haven't fixed this?

[Sn1perJohnE]

Im in support. I almost never use Transform solely because it will slow my training down rather than speed it up. The overall lack of work put behind pirates and their issues is rather pathetic. We went nearly an entire patch with all skills being glitched to no-delay, making it nearly impossible to train in the transformed states. Further more, no special scrolls released while others get them shows a real lack of competence in pirates on Nexon's part. SEA released their "miracle" scrolls, and even included pirates in the mix, and even some scrolls such as two-handed sword for magic att, which might have little to no use to anyone.

Nexon could probably easily fix the skills issues just by copying the data from SEA or somewhere that has the correct sounds and in-data speeds for the slow transform skills. How hard were the pink scrolls and "miracle" scrolls to make for other weapons? You really couldnt be bothered to do the same for pirate weapons? Its not like you couldnt just copy the data for one of the sword or other warrior weapons and switch it to work for knuckles, and do the same with bow scrolls for guns, it might be lazy, but its at least something.

[Takebacker]

I'm actually glad they didn't do it for pirate weapons, if only because i really didn't want to make another equinox.

[Tay]

KMS point of view;
To my knowledge, on my striker-
Drain is extremely slow in transform
Using buffs on a rope is extremely slow

Unsure about SSK being slow, never use it.

[ImagineAll]

Full support on this one.

[昇平森膣]

I support this 100%, too.


The only thing is that I don't see how using Transform "slows down training oh so much!"

Sure, you can't use Sommer Sault Kick or Drain at full speed, but after fourth job, it shouldn't be an issue at all. Once you hit fourth job, you almost NEVER use Sommer Sault Kick and Drain shouldn't HAVE to be constantly spammable. If you really need to heal and you use Drain, yet need to use it again, what's the point? If you can't heal to a satisfactory point with one single Drain, you should use a potion instead. If yo really NEED to use Energy Drain instead of a potion, just do Energy Drain, then Cork Screw Punch, then Energy Drain. You remain invincible during the frames and you still heal. I don't see how that "drastically slows down training."

[Takebacker]

Drain shouldn't HAVE to be constantly spammable.

Clearly you've never been to oblivion 4.

The point is not whether or not it matters that drain is slow. The point is that it isn't supposed to work like that, is therefore a glitch, and should be FIXED AND HAVE NO ARGUMENTS AGAINST FIXING IT BECAUSE IT ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE THAT WAY.

[Schrono]

Personally, concerning the 50%/100% scrolls, I have to say I'm impressed with Nexon. For once, they didn't jump at a chance to make even more money from their player base. Finally they aren't interested in just gouging us for money, and instead want us to waste massive amounts of real and in-game currency trying to get more things we don't really need. That or maybe they think they don't need to release them, since they have no pirate players, just thousands and thousands of beginners :f3:.

As for the lack of 15%/65% scrolls during the Spirit Week events, they can go fuck themselves.

[昇平森膣]

It's a "glitch" that has happened since the class was released and is in every version. The Sommer Sault Kick delay may be a glitch, even though it's in every other version as well, but the Drain delay while Transformed has been there since the beginning. Maybe they planned to keep it that way. Maybe they'll change it with the next major skill update (if one actually happens).

I have been to Oblivion 4, but that doesn't change a thing. Like I said above, all you really need to do is Drain > CSB > Drain if it really means so much to use Drain instead of a potion.

[Link]

I concur... More critical power too, please! Us Pirates need a much bigger boost. Captains could use something to make their class have more umph to make it a bit more fun to play and Vipers could use a boost to make them much more powerful, since they're on the lower end of the DPS chart... Sure, the class is fun and the invulnerability frames are godly, but having a decent part in the damage dealt to bosses would be nice... I always feel so short-handed in JMS when bossing, since I get so much less experience than the other classes that are lower level than me.

[66alex66]

It's a "glitch" that has happened since the class was released and is in every version. The Sommer Sault Kick delay may be a glitch, even though it's in every other version as well, but the Drain delay while Transformed has been there since the beginning. Maybe they planned to keep it that way. Maybe they'll change it with the next major skill update (if one actually happens).

I have been to Oblivion 4, but that doesn't change a thing. Like I said above, all you really need to do is Drain > CSB > Drain if it really means so much to use Drain instead of a potion.

much easier to just not use transform and spam drain twice and continue on training, that's how its supposed to be in transform plus using drain in transform is like using genesis with a level 10 wand, its just not right

[Takebacker]

I concur... More critical power too, please! Us Pirates need a much bigger boost. Captains could use something to make their class have more umph to make it a bit more fun to play and Vipers could use a boost to make them much more powerful, since they're on the lower end of the DPS chart... Sure, the class is fun and the invulnerability frames are godly, but having a decent part in the damage dealt to bosses would be nice... I always feel so short-handed in JMS when bossing, since I get so much less experience than the other classes that are lower level than me.

On the other hand we're happily accepted to most bosses because buccs in my opinion are the best rushers in the game.

I can tell that if korea does do skill updates this summer, stun mastery will become regular crit.

[昇平森膣]

much easier to just not use transform and spam drain twice and continue on training, that's how its supposed to be in transform plus using drain in transform is like using genesis with a level 10 wand, its just not right

That's not even close to the same thing. Genesis with a level 10 wand is a way too significan amount of a damage decrease. With Energy Drain in Transform, all you have to do is Drain > CSB > Drain and it doesn't slow down your training at all. In fact, it may even speed up your training, depending on where you are. If you are in a mob, of course you'll have trouble doing it, but if you're to the left or right of a mob, you can push mobs close together with that combo while healing and it'll HELP your training. It's no different than doing Drain > Drain > CSB.

[Link]

I can tell that if korea does do skill updates this summer, stun mastery will become regular crit.

YES PLEASE! I would die in love for Nexon if they did that! That would be the best thing Nexon ever did for a class since they gave Mages/Priests ultimates.


That's not even close to the same thing. Genesis with a level 10 wand is a way too significan amount of a damage decrease. With Energy Drain in Transform, all you have to do is Drain > CSB > Drain and it doesn't slow down your training at all. In fact, it may even speed up your training, depending on where you are. If you are in a mob, of course you'll have trouble doing it, but if you're to the left or right of a mob, you can push mobs close together with that combo while healing and it'll HELP your training. It's no different than doing Drain > Drain > CSB.

Yes... but if you do that combo in Transform, you'll get a slight, annoying delay after you use Drain. That'll only get in the way and slow you down. They should fix it...

[Takebacker]

That's not even close to the same thing. Genesis with a level 10 wand is a way too significan amount of a damage decrease. With Energy Drain in Transform, all you have to do is Drain > CSB > Drain and it doesn't slow down your training at all. In fact, it may even speed up your training, depending on where you are. If you are in a mob, of course you'll have trouble doing it, but if you're to the left or right of a mob, you can push mobs close together with that combo while healing and it'll HELP your training. It's no different than doing Drain > Drain > CSB.

Drain - Drain - CSB is no different than Drain - CSB - Drain.

The latter might actually be slower due to the fact that any sane bucc will jump drain instead of using it on the ground like a retard.

And, oh right, DRAIN BEING SLOW AS F'UCK MAKES IT UN-USEABLE IN TRAINING.

[Mark]

That's not even close to the same thing. Genesis with a level 10 wand is a way too significan amount of a damage decrease. With Energy Drain in Transform, all you have to do is Drain > CSB > Drain and it doesn't slow down your training at all. In fact, it may even speed up your training, depending on where you are. If you are in a mob, of course you'll have trouble doing it, but if you're to the left or right of a mob, you can push mobs close together with that combo while healing and it'll HELP your training. It's no different than doing Drain > Drain > CSB.

You're not looking at the big picture here. The skills have been proven that they are not supposed to work like that by looking at the data. I'm not sure who told me, but the data has said that the frames for Drain and SSK had pointless "delays" in them. What about 3rd job Pirates who are fresh off of advancement? Usually they're so excited to be 3rd job and finally go SUPER, then they try to use it and realize SSK (which is still a decent mob skill at this level), and Energy Drain sucks. Transform is useful because it speeds up training thanks to the Haste-like speed. But then it gets ruined by the obvious glitches.

Stop trying to sweep this issue under the rug.

[Ryukiroku]

I've been for a fix ever since I heard the improper skill sounds straight from the beginning, so you've got my support on this.

[Saar331]

1.no pirate gm scrolls/iTCG
2.no CWKPQ pirate boss
3.the nautilus harbour is actually outside of victoria island.. it is in the outskirts and in middle of every thing
4nautilus doesnt have its own monsters.. which makes it be different
5.cant use the taxi to nautlius(only in gms though)
6.skill lags/visual problems as mentioned
7.everything nexon america creates they exclude pirates...
8.in the KMS lv200 ranks the pirates get a simple platform while other jobs get a "luxury" one,sad..


my suggestion?
enter the forum of maple addition and look at my post,how to change the nautilus to be the same thing like henesys or ellinia,average town.
about the other things its just nexon america's problem

[SaptaZapta]

Also:
- Pirate equips and scrolls still can't be sold on MTS
- Too many cash shop weapons can be equipped over "any weapon except gun or knuckle".

It's quite clear that Pirates are the stepchildren of Maple. Even someone starting to play now, who's never known Maple without Pirates, can tell they are a late, and sloppy, addition.

[Stereo]

I'd be happy with just three of the things mentioned in this thread
a) 1st job sounds. Seriously.
b) Speed cap of (2) raised so that SI works for all classes that depend on weapon speed. (probably means new cap of speed(-1))
c) Transformation skill speeds being consistent - apparently they work differently in every version...


@ post above mine, way more Pirate weapons work in MTS than polearms even. I dunno why Nexon hates Polearms...

[holyforest]

Even though I have no pirate, I give my full support on this. No part of Maple Story should have been worked on sloppily. Nexon should really fix all of their woopsies. =/

[IllegallySane]

Oh yes. I give my 9001% support for this
Obvious problems:
1. Speed cap (2) to (1)
2. SSK/Drain speed in Transformed states need fixing
3. 1st job sounds need to become more Piratey

Nice things to have:
1. Stun Mastery to normal crit
2. More pirate scrolls

[Super_cyp]

It really is frustrating. I swear I get hit more when I transform then when I'm not... I like the speed boost, but since it slows down training I'd rather use speed pots to make me faster then use transform and run around with slower skills.

[TøbiasBlack]

1.no pirate gm scrolls/iTCG
2.no CWKPQ pirate boss
3.the nautilus harbour is actually outside of victoria island.. it is in the outskirts and in middle of every thing
4nautilus doesnt have its own monsters.. which makes it be different
5.can only use the southperry taxi to nautlius (only in gms though)
6.skill lags/visual problems as mentioned
7.everything nexon america creates they exclude pirates...
8.in the KMS lv200 ranks the pirates get a simple platform while other jobs get a "luxury" one,sad..


my suggestion?
enter the forum of maple addition and look at my post,how to change the nautilus to be the same thing like henesys or ellinia,average town.
about the other things its just nexon america's problem

sorry, had to fix that. you can go to southperry and talk to whatshisface, and he has Nautilus as a destination.

[Link]

sorry, had to fix that. you can go to southperry and talk to whatshisface, and he has Nautilus as a destination.

You mean Lith Harbor? It's the same in JMS. No Nautilus in the Taxis. =/

[Kalovale]

You mean Lith Harbor? It's the same in JMS. No Nautilus in the Taxis. =/

It's not a Taxi, it's a dude, I think Sam or something.
And yes he does have Nautilus as an option.

[CarpeDiem]

1.no pirate gm scrolls/iTCG
2.no CWKPQ pirate boss
3.the nautilus harbour is actually outside of victoria island.. it is in the outskirts and in middle of every thing
4nautilus doesnt have its own monsters.. which makes it be different
5.cant use the taxi to nautlius(only in gms though)
6.skill lags/visual problems as mentioned
7.everything nexon america creates they exclude pirates...
8.in the KMS lv200 ranks the pirates get a simple platform while other jobs get a "luxury" one,sad..


my suggestion?
enter the forum of maple addition and look at my post,how to change the nautilus to be the same thing like henesys or ellinia,average town.
about the other things its just nexon america's problem
2,3,4,5 are petty :/

[Furnost]

it's funny though how we're "part of cwkpq" in terms of you need 2 pirates to enter and there is a sigil and all...yet no boss? i feel like that's just stupid...

And as much as I'd LOVE to have normal crits instead of stun crits due to us losing that @ bossing, I don't think it'll ever happen...I was on a cwkpq run yesterday with SE30 + Apple and I was hitting over 100k crits every so often on the bosses...so yes we don't have normal crits but our damage is already high enough

[Manu]

About people talking about drain speed being not important, and about the csp >drain combo, at least for me, I can stick a drain almost anywhere, it just fits fine in the middle of any combo. Like when I know I'm going to get hit cause the dragon>csp doesn't give 100% invincibility, I stick a drain in so I heal that damage I take, and then keep on with csp and dragon, if I do that on transform, by the time I can move again after the drain I've already got hit again, so I wasted time and didn't get my healing...

[King]

I have no problem draining in transform but sometimes the drain is very slow and sometimes hella fast (in normal state)

is this a glitch? On my TB BTW

[Takebacker]

it's funny though how we're "part of cwkpq" in terms of you need 2 pirates to enter and there is a sigil and all...yet no boss? i feel like that's just stupid...

And as much as I'd LOVE to have normal crits instead of stun crits due to us losing that @ bossing, I don't think it'll ever happen...I was on a cwkpq run yesterday with SE30 + Apple and I was hitting over 100k crits every so often on the bosses...so yes we don't have normal crits but our damage is already high enough

Are you kidding?

Arans can easily hit 100k+ on 3 mobs with final blow and SE.

WHAT KIND OF BALANCE IS THAT. CLEARLY BUCCANEERS DESERVE PASSIVE CRITS.


I have no problem draining in transform but sometimes the drain is very slow and sometimes hella fast (in normal state)

is this a glitch? On my TB BTW

We've been discussing this for the past 2 pages... :f6:

The drain slowing in transform applies to TBs as well.

[Spideyjvc]

I don't have a brawler, but I support this entirely. The first job sounds are a joke, and I can't believe they still have those placeholder sounds just laying there in the skillbook.

What about Pirate equips? It's not much of a problem, but it just makes the job feel really unfinished. Why are there only str oriented equips? Why even bother labeling them by color if only one color exists for that level? Is it really too much work to just recolor the equips and slap on some alternate stats on it?

I don't care much about there being no gender difference in Pirate equips (there should be, but whatever, doubt they'll design new equips because that's too much work for them), but there should be more options in Piratewear. One that adds more dex than str, or evenly adds str and dex. A larger variety, so Pirates can actually look different from each other without NX.

But then again, they're too lazy to even design new Cash Shop weapons for us, I doubt they plan on even making new equips. How is that? They don't even care to cash in on the Pirate job.

They released the job with the minimum it takes for the job to actually work.

"Okay, we got some clothing and weapons from 1-120 for them. We'll make some more later and release new weapons when a new set comes out."

But then got lazy with it and stuck it on the "To Do...Eventually" list.


I hope Nexon Korea decides to go with the class revamp idea in the Summer, and they fix these problems.

[Takebacker]

A lot of people consider uni-sex clothes an advantage.

As far as alternative stats, people only choose equips with the one that gives the most secondary stat anyway. Making a dex str overall would benefit you less, spidey.

[66alex66]

Well atleast we got ONE(OMFG!!!) more weapon in CS that's a gun, and some GM scrolls in the Aran patch.

[Takebacker]

Well atleast we got ONE(OMFG!!!) more weapon in CS that's a gun, and some GM scrolls in the Aran patch.

This doesn't change the main concern which is SKILLS BE BROKEN.

[66alex66]

This doesn't change the main concern which is SKILLS BE BROKEN.

that is why i said atleast, and it means nexon is starting to remember that they have 5 adventurers and not 4

[Takebacker]

that is why i said atleast, and it means nexon is starting to remember that they have 5 adventurers and not 4

WE REFUSE TO BE APPEASED WITH AESTHETIC TRINKETS.

SKILL FIXES. SKILL FIXES.

c

[King]

sigh...pirates are a dying breed...nexon won't care about us that much

that's why i moved on to my NL

[Spideyjvc]

A lot of people consider uni-sex clothes an advantage.

As far as alternative stats, people only choose equips with the one that gives the most secondary stat anyway. Making a dex str overall would benefit you less, spidey.

Oh, I knew very well it would benefit me less. But I'm thinking of Pirates as a class in general here. The lack of alternate armor just gives off the impression of an unfinished class.

By the way, possible gunner glitch, though not as serious as the brawler glitches. (http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=21425)

[StormMike]

I dont think the speed cap should become (1).
It will only make a more disadvatage for warriors.
Normal Speed weps, axes, and bw will never be able to compare. To 1h swords.

[Sarah]

Sent a ticket to Nexon about pirates. Feel free to loosely use it when addressing the pirate issue but don't directly copy and paste it.

Since the release of Pirates in November of 2008, there have been a large number of complaints and issues with the job, both on your website and various other fansites. Two new jobs (Cygnus Knights and Aran) have been released since then, and it seems like Pirates are close to being forgotten despite the glaringly obvious errors.

First off, the sounds of first job pirate skills are wrong. They're borrowed from other jobs and they sounds horrible when used. This is something that could have quickly been remedied but has been ignored for well over a year.

Second, while in transformation mode, Buccaneers have extra unnecessary frames added to Somersault Kick and Drain. Speed Infusion has a speed cap of fast(2) instead of fast(1) which disallows pirates from functioning at their best.

Finally, pirate scrolls are consistently neglected to be added to special scroll events. You created 50% pink scrolls and there were NO gun or knuckle scrolls to be found.

Please look into these issues and any other issues that are bound to be brought up to you in the following days, and take them seriously. Pirates deserve the same amount of attention as any other class.

Thanks.

You may notice I didn't mention the MTS issue that Mark complained about, but that's because he apparently doesn't know that pirate equips can be put into the MTS, now. It has been this way since the MTS update in... August? So make sure you leave that out of your letters too. False claims like that will discredit your entire report.

[Eos]

You may notice I didn't mention the MTS issue that Mark complained about, but that's because he apparently doesn't know that pirate equips can be put into the MTS, now. It has been this way since the MTS update in... August? So make sure you leave that out of your letters too. False claims like that will discredit your entire report.

Based on this I've removed that complaint and resolution from the recap.

[Mark]

You may notice I didn't mention the MTS issue that Mark complained about, but that's because he apparently doesn't know that pirate equips can be put into the MTS, now. It has been this way since the MTS update in... August? So make sure you leave that out of your letters too. False claims like that will discredit your entire report.

That wasn't me.

[Cyadd]

I sent a BBB complaint.

[Hazzy]

Sent a BBB complaint. :]
Scared to log a ticket, since I can see Nexon being "YER CLAIM IS A LIE SO BAN TIME FOR YOU"/I don't want to hunt for their customer service section.

[Cyadd]

I sent a ticket just now.

[Takebacker]

My ticket:

The pirate job ever since released over a year ago now has continually been looked down upon as a member of the adventurer class by Nexon America. Why is this? Both Cygnus Knights and Aran were both implemented for the most part flawlessly, yet pirates have had glaring glitches and flaws that restrict the class since it was released.

For example, weapon speed is capped at Faster (2) instead of faster (1) which restricts the Buccaneer skill "Speed Infusion" from working to it's full potential on all weapon types. Somersault Kick and Drain have added frame delays while transformed, reducing their usefulness while in a state that should speed you up. First Job sounds are using placeholder sounds from the GM skillbook instead of their own unique and appropriate sounds. Pirates are consistently excluded from events that reward special scrolls.

Such flaws and glitches never being fixed or even announced by nexon severely reduces gameplay quality and undermines the effort of those who worked so hard and spent so much money on their characters.

Please don't ignore the minority of your player base.

At the very least i hope they address the situation. If they fixed the speed cap and transform, i'd be very satisfied for a long time.

[Mark]

Sent a BBB complaint and logged a ticket.

[Matt]

Sent a BBB complaint.

[Nikkey]

I don't like the way this has been worded, from an objective standpoint: You're claiming that the speed cap is a glitch, and that the Somersault Kick and Drain-speed is a glitch without any proof at all. Think of it: "Hay batches, x is a glitch because it makes the class worse. Fix it, you assholes.". Would you like to answer that? Heck, I wouldn't. Make it more like questioning "Hay gaise, I would like to have a notification on x, and how it is supposed to intend. Because, how it works in-game as of right now, it does y. Is this intended? If not, would you please look further into it?", but maybe with a bit more spice.
It's not going with false claims: As people already stated, false claims is a bad thing, and would discredit you. Try to ask aggressively whether this is a glitch or not instead. Even though it looks like a glitch, it may not be. (points toward elemental wands and shat)

I would, more than anything, have a notification stating how the speed-cap is supposed to do (Is weapon-speed 4 going to be speed-equal to weapon-speed 5 with speed infusion and booster? Is a weapon with weapon-speed 3, with aran-boost plus speed infusion going to be dropped down to -2 in speed? etc) and how Somersault Kick and other skills are supposed to work while being Super-Sayain etc.

I will try to send a complaint if I have the time, but my winter schedule's pretty busy. Most likely not.

[Mark]

I don't like the way this has been worded, from an objective standpoint: You're claiming that the speed cap is a glitch, and that the Somersault Kick and Drain-speed is a glitch without any proof at all. Think of it: "Hay batches, x is a glitch because it makes the class worse. Fix it, you assholes.". Would you like to answer that? Heck, I wouldn't. Make it more like questioning "Hay gaise, I would like to have a notification on x, and how it is supposed to intend. Because, how it works in-game as of right now, it does y. Is this intended? If not, would you please look further into it?", but maybe with a bit more spice.
It's not going with false claims: As people already stated, false claims is a bad thing, and would discredit you. Try to ask aggressively whether this is a glitch or not instead. Even though it looks like a glitch, it may not be. (points toward elemental wands and shat)

I would, more than anything, have a notification stating how the speed-cap is supposed to do (Is weapon-speed 4 going to be speed-equal to weapon-speed 5 with speed infusion and booster? Is a weapon with weapon-speed 3, with aran-boost plus speed infusion going to be dropped down to -2 in speed? etc) and how Somersault Kick and other skills are supposed to work while being Super-Sayain etc.

Anyone who has actually played a Bucc knows the glaringly obvious problems. If Nexon sat down and actually tested the characters thoroughly they would see it too. Please don't bring this "logic" crap into it. It's not up for discussion.



I will try to send a complaint if I have the time, but my winter schedule's pretty busy. Most likely not.

It only takes 2 minutes. :poast:

[holyforest]

My schedule's pretty busy, but I think I'll send out my BBB complaint tomorrow.

[Cyanne]

I voted no because of the speed cap thing. 2 speed is fast enough already, and the classes that can potentially break that cap are mostly already seen as the "better" classes. I really doubt it's actually a glitch either, as in unintended. Here are just some of the classes that miss out on the benefits from removing the 2 speed cap: non-stonetooth two-handed sword/axe/bw users, non-ski/purple board dark knights, archmages, bishops, bowmasters, and marksmen. Basically anyone using a 6 or above speed weapon or using skills not affected by SI. Aside from bowmasters (and bishops I guess since they don't attack as much at squad bosses), the rest of the classes there are generally seen as underdogs, and a speed cap lift would just benefit the classes already seen as "better" and would just give more reason for people to think that, other than shadowers and buccaneers themselves.
I support the fixing of all the other actual glitches though.

[Eos]

I voted no because of the speed cap thing.

I support the fixing of all the other actual glitches though.

I don't think you're entirely clear on the concept of contacting as a group.
Your contact is in your words, your perspective of the issue.

If that's the part of the issue as you see it, or the only part of the issue you think worth focusing on, nothing is stopping you from contacting them and saying so.

If you never give them your feedback and input you have only yourself to blame for your perspective not being considered or represented.

[Goals]

Someone probably already mentioned this somewhere but corsairs sometimes sit in air and get stuck there when they unmount from battleship.

[Stereo]

I voted no because of the speed cap thing.
I support the fixing of all the other actual glitches though.

It's more the fact that Buccaneers have a 4th job buff that doesn't even work for half the classes...

[WalkingFish]

i really hope they change the sound of dash
its annoying to the ears :goggle:

[Cyanne]

I don't think you're entirely clear on the concept of contacting as a group.
Your contact is in your words, your perspective of the issue.

If that's the part of the issue as you see it, or the only part of the issue you think worth focusing on, nothing is stopping you from contacting them and saying so.

If you never give them your feedback and input you have only yourself to blame for your perspective not being considered or represented.

Never said I wanted to contact them O_o

[IllegallySane]

Currently writing up a BBB complaint. Should I write my actual information, or go incognito?

*Ticket has been send, so that'll be two complaints from me.

[Eos]

Currently writing up a BBB complaint. Should I write my actual information, or go incognito?

Why would you falsify a BBB complaint? Makes it rather hard for them to address your issue.

[IllegallySane]

Why would you falsify a BBB complaint? Makes it rather hard for them to address your issue.

I'd feel awkward explaining to my parents if I were to receive a letter from the BBB in the mail after doing this, but very well.

*I'm just not one to give out information unless I'm ordering something or filling out documents. Yay for paranoia?

[Eos]

Never said I wanted to contact them O_o

You do however want part of the problem resolved, and you stated the only reason you voted no was because of part that you didn't think was an issue.

That's like not going in line to get ice cream because someone else asked for sprinkles and you don't like sprinkles, but you still want ice cream.

It's your cone - ask for it the way you want it rather than refusing to get one at all. Otherwise don't use the sprinkles as your excuse for not getting a cone.



*I'm just not one to give out information unless I'm ordering something or filling out documents. Yay for paranoia?

Think of this as filling out documents.

[IllegallySane]

Think of this as filling out documents.

Should have clarified: I mean crucial documents (i.e. medical forms and whatnot).

BBB complaint has been sent.

[Nikkey]

Anyone who has actually played a Bucc knows the glaringly obvious problems. If Nexon sat down and actually tested the characters thoroughly they would see it too. Please don't bring this "logic" crap into it. It's not up for discussion.

Of course it is up for discussion, unless you state that Nexon themselves call this a glitch. I don't want to go into the matter of stating that x might not be a glitch or not though, that wasn't the point of my post. The thing here, is that you shouldn't say that x is a glitch because x makes the class worse. You should say that x is (probably) a glitch because it does not make any sense instead.

And I use long time to actually send a real request. Can't BBB (outside of US), so have to send letter.

[Mark]

Of course it is up for discussion, unless you state that Nexon themselves call this a glitch. I don't want to go into the matter of stating that x might not be a glitch or not though, that wasn't the point of my post. The thing here, is that you shouldn't say that x is a glitch because x makes the class worse. You should say that x is (probably) a glitch because it does not make any sense instead.

Nope. Proof is in the data. During both Transformed states, SSK and Drain have extra frames in them. Someone has stated in the KMS balance thread that Pirates in KMS do not have this issue. I think it's safe to say that it's a glitch. Don't need Nexon to confirm this for me, or any other Bucc.

[Takebacker]

The only obvious glitch is the frames and the sounds. The speed cap is just something that might not be a glitch but is still something that doesn't need to be there (a faster (1) cap does the exact same thing without limiting players).

[Bomber]

JW, what's a BBB complaint?
And Id rather not have an new speed cap; I like it how it is..

[Eos]

JW, what's a BBB complaint?
And Id rather not have an new speed cap; I like it how it is..

Read the actual Call to Action (http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?21939-Let-s-Fix-Pirates%21#post364179) and follow the explanatory links.

[Stereo]

The only obvious glitch is the frames and the sounds. The speed cap is just something that might not be a glitch but is still something that doesn't need to be there (a faster (1) cap does the exact same thing without limiting players).

Faster(1) still makes SI useless for several weapons (dexless claws, for example, are 1 with normal booster), and less effective for multiple classes. In order for SI to work for everyone it would need to be a cap at (-1).

[Eos]

Faster(1) still makes SI useless for several weapons (dexless claws, for example, are 1 with normal booster), and less effective for multiple classes. In order for SI to work for everyone it would need to be a cap at (-1).

Actually nothing is naturally a faster 1, because the server caps it back up to 2. Removing that barrier to fix speed infusion would make those weapons actually work as fast as they should but do not today.

Not everyone is supposed to gain the maximum benefit from speed infusion, it's was never intended to make a slow 7 behave as if it were a 2, nor an item already at the fastest possible speed even faster. It's designed to move all back by the same margin up to max, which it does not do because of changes Nexon America made to prevent weapon speed hacking prevent ever reaching max. How beneficial it is to whom isn't relevant to the issue existing.

[holyforest]

When did these problems start occuring? I need to know to finish my BBB complaint.


Edit: BBB complaint sent.

[Stereo]

Actually nothing is naturally a faster 1, because the server caps it back up to 2. Removing that barrier to fix speed infusion would make those weapons actually work as fast as they should but do not today.

Yeah, I meant if they make the cap Fastest(1) SI will still be unable to affect dexless claws and a couple other weapons which can already hit 1 with normal +2 booster.


SI does make 7 behave like 2, take an Aran with a Slow weapon, their booster drops it to 4, SI to 2. I'm not sure what the rest of your post is saying about the max speed. IMO SI should work as a +2 boost for anyone who isn't a hacker, and is using a skill that depends on weapon speed.

Apparently weapon speeds are based around Normal(6), and use a speed+10 ratio to that to determine actual cast times (eg. 12/16 for speed 2). If that's the case, then you should see a 2/16 increase for all classes, not 2/16 for some, 1/16 for others, nothing for the rest.

[Eos]

There is a server side limit of 2. Anything that would reduce or naturally manifests as speed of 1 is forced to be a 2.
There are no 1's, period, no matter what is done. They're completely ignored.

There was a long exhaustive thread on the topic previously.

[RenaGabriev]

Already sent a ticket, and I'm thinking whether to mail a letter or not. I just noticed about this, so yes, I'm late, but I live in Panama, that is in Central America... I'm just thinking if mailing them a letter from here would have a somewhat high impact, ignoring the fact I was late to the deadline of the project. Any advice?

[Eos]

Already sent a ticket, and I'm thinking whether to mail a letter or not. I just noticed about this, so yes, I'm late, but I live in Panama, that is in Central America... I'm just thinking if mailing them a letter from here would have a somewhat high impact, ignoring the fact I was late to the deadline of the project. Any advice?

You still have 48 hours before the letter sending deadline.

[Shidoshi]

In my opinion, the way to "fix" SI would be to shift all current speeds. Make speed 2 behave as if it was speed 3, by making all attacks slower and then decreasing the speed cap to 1 you would not break the game (and actually make it pretty much the same) and SI would be useful.

[RenaGabriev]

You still have 48 hours before the letter sending deadline.
Yeah, but it's not gonna make it there on time, it'll get there, luckily, in 2 weeks. Holiday's mail jam.

[Eos]

Yeah, but it's not gonna make it there on time, it'll get there, luckily, in 2 weeks. Holiday's mail jam.

The deadline listed is when you need to send it by for them to all reach in the same period, not the time it has to arrive by. Send it today and it will be fine.
Make excuses and put it off and yes, it will be late.

[RenaGabriev]

The deadline listed is when you need to send it by for them to all reach in the same period, not the time it has to arrive by. Send it today and it will be fine.
Make excuses and put it off and yes, it will be late.

What's the rudeness for? I just misinterpreted it. :f7:

[Eos]

Three statements of fact. No rudeness.

[Cyadd]

Got a letter from the BBB today saying they received my complaint and they told me to wait 14 days for a response. No response for my ticket as of yet.

[IllegallySane]

So did I. :o

[Mark]

Check your e-mails again, guys. You should have a response from Nexon.


Company's Initial Response - Posted 12/27/2009
Nexon.net has a ticketing system that has a place for bug and feedback reporting. This player is urged to use the ticketing system to report this issue. Thank you, Nexon Support
Initial Response Summary
Nexon America does not provide customer support or bug/feedback reporting through third party systems like the BBB.

What a bunch of stubborn assholes. They're seriously implying that I haven't already done this over and over again.

[Cyadd]

Nope.

[Eos]

What a bunch of stubborn assholes. They're seriously implying that I haven't already done this over and over again.

Keep in mind that's their standard reply to anything from the BBB and generally a lie.
They're aware of what that does to their rating and even though they try to discourage you from using the BBB and play them off as unimportant they do try to address them in a manner that will convince the BBB to mark the issue as resolved.

Keep in mind also that just because Mark has gotten a reply doesn't mean everyone will right away - Odds are he was just the first to be received, get the standard template and as others begin to arrive Nexon will be faced with replying to the same issue over and over with the same reply or actually having to consider that this might be indicative of a real issue and hold them until they decide what to do.

These complaints go to a higher authority than the standard helpdesk so as that person sees more of these arrive in a close period it should begin to concern them and prompt some sort of action or response.

[Stereo]

Keep in mind also that just because Mark has gotten a reply doesn't mean everyone will right away - Odds are he was just the first to be received, get the standard template and as others begin to arrive Nexon will be faced with replying to the same issue over and over with the same reply or actually having to consider that this might be indicative of a real issue and hold them until they decide what to do.

Got mine too, the BBB didn't email me until yesterday (29th) though so I didn't notice.


Company's Initial Response - Posted 12/27/2009
This complaint is really a bug report that should be submitted in a ticket at Nexon.net rather than the BBB. This player is urged to submit his bug reports and feedback in the correct areas that are set for such communication. Thank you, Nexon Support
Initial Response Summary
Nexon America does not provide customer support or bug/feedback reporting through third party systems like the BBB.

In response I cited one of my tickets that they never fixed (after saying they would), and one that they closed without responding to. I also copied my BBB thing over to the Nexon ticket system including the case number.

On the plus side, it's not 100% copy pasted from Mark's.:shine:

[Eos]

Good job. The BBB exists for issues specifically like Nexon's failure to provide their own means of addressing issues. Pointing out how long these issues have been ignored by their own internal support will help the BBB escalate the issue and ensure they don't get their rating adjusted in their favor just by claiming they provided a means of resolution when they haven't.

[Stereo]

Good job. The BBB exists for issues specifically like Nexon's failure to provide their own means of addressing issues. Pointing out how long these issues have been ignored by their own internal support will help the BBB escalate the issue and ensure they don't get their rating adjusted in their favor just by claiming they provided a means of resolution when they haven't.

I took a closer look at some of my old tickets and they are pretty terrible actually.

In one of them they accidentally overwrote my description with the GM's response.

In any case, the specific glitch I reported a couple years ago that never got fixed is the Paula hair:
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9742/bironichairvz2.gif

I'm not sure about mentioning sprite coordinates and stuff to Nexon, but I'm pretty sure this is just a matter of finding the hair id and adjusting the rope/ladder offsets for hatless hair, not some sort of hardcore recoding. It's hair 31410 and the bug affects every colour.


Sheer number of tickets is epic, though... this is ticket #5191. My Pirates ticket is #630287.

[holyforest]

I got the same thing. Strangely, I did sort of the same thing as Stereo by pointing out Nexon's failure to fix countless whoopsies throughout the game.

Company's Response
Company's Initial Response - Posted 12/27/2009
Please submit bug reports at Nexon.net. Bug reports and feedback submitted through the ticketing system at Nexon.net are sent to the development teams for review. Thank you, Nexon Support
Initial Response Summary
Nexon America does not provide customer support or bug/feedback reporting through third party systems like the BBB.


Oh Nexon....

[Takebacker]

Reply to my ticket:

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/9884/62613214.png

Can't tell if it was automated or not. If it's not, that probably means they're aware of the situation.

[Eos]

Can't tell if it was automated or not. If it's not, that probably means they're aware of the situation.

It's not automated, but yes, that's one of their template responses from their Knowledge Base. It's an unusual choice of response to this issue though, what exactly did your ticket say?

[Takebacker]

It's not automated, but yes, that's one of their template responses from their Knowledge Base. It's an unusual choice of response to this issue though, what exactly did your ticket say?

http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?21263-Various-issues-with-the-Pirate-job&p=365131&viewfull=1#post365131

[Eos]

That just makes the choice of reply all the more odd.

It could be taken as a sign they've gotten the message and working on an official reply though.
We'll just have to continue waiting to see.

[Cyadd]

I got one of those today also. Same answer.

[Lozmaster]

I got a slightly different anwser.
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/5448/replyc.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/replyc.jpg/)

[Cyadd]

I sent a rebuttal to BBB to Nexon's response.

[Eos]

I got a slightly different anwser.

That one is direct from their knowledge base for generic answers.

[Stereo]

Got a final response and my BBB ticket is closed. :P I don't know why it took until yesterday for me to get the email.

Company's Final Response

Company's Final Response - Posted 12/31/2009
Hello, Bug report tickets rarely receive a response but they are always sent to the game development teams. Thank you again for sending the bug report. Please remember Nexon America does not provide customer support through the BBB. Nexon Support

My support ticket at nexon.net is still open.

[Takebacker]

always sent to the game development teams.

Sweet, we'll probably see some issues fixed in the coming patches if this is true.

[Stereo]

They got around to responding to my ticket, eventually.


Greetings <your first name>,

Thank you for contacting Nexon America’s Customer Support team.

We appreciate you reporting this information. We are diligently working in hopes that our players will enjoy MapleStory with no further issues. I will forward your information to the correct department for investigation to see if this is a possible bug or glitch. Please refer to our website Nexon.net for post on any issues found. You may also like to try our new Bug/Glitch forum to report any bugs you find or find out about known issues.

Please keep an eye on the website, as if there is to be any compensation, it will be announced there.

We apologize for the inconvenience. Thank you for your understanding.

Sincerely,

GM Jascol
Nexon America, Inc.

GM Jascol plans to hang out in the Sky Tower and enjoy the view!

Seems like the other responses, just with the sentences in a different order. Don't know why it took until today to respond to a ticket opened 12/30. Maybe they wait longer to respond to lower leveled people? (I do all my support tickets from a level 4x wizard because I don't trust the website)

[Cyadd]

I got a letter from the BBB on Nexon's final response. I rebutted that their "ticking" services are crap and I'm extremely dissatisfied. They basically stated that they are sorry and that bug reports are forwarded to the development team. They also said any info in the bug report would be helpful.

That is all.

[AkaSora]

Sorry if this is necroing or whatever but


Origanally posted by: nxHadza

We tested this internally and found the skills you mentioned work at the same speed both in and out of transformation. We did not observe any delays whatsoever. Perhaps you can provide more detailed steps and we will investigate further.

This was from a forum post i made on the nexon website talking about delays on somersualt kick, drain, etc during transformation.
Sadly i probably screwed up becasue i didnt explain it in detail or something.

the thread this was in:
http://forum.nexon.net/MapleStory/forums/thread/4411609.aspx

[Michaels2]

They said in the patch today they fixed the skill delay in transform.
One bucc friend said yes it was fixed.
So... partial success?

... sorry for necro?

[Kalovale]

Yes, almost half a year. Rejoice, guys, until Balance Patch.