Cactuar's Pirate Thread

[Cactuar]

I apologize, this thread is a tadbit misleading. It's mainly infighters, though since I called it "Pirate" I must add information about gunslingers. That will be added at a later date.

My oh my oh my. I figured I'd post this here and get a head start on most others.

Fun Fact of the Day about Pirates
(07/27/08) I was wrong about the 01 fact. You'll miss out on about 240 HP. Still not much when you have 8000 HP. Gunslingers, on the other hand, should care.
(07/01/08) By advancing at 29 instead of 10, you will miss out on about 153 HP(73 at the best, 228 at the worst).

Data Crunching
Formulae
Infighter
Max- [(STR * 4.8 + DEX) / 100] * Weapon Attack
Min-(STR * 0.9 * 4.8 * Skill Mastery + DEX) / 100 * Weapon Attack

Gunslinger
Max - [(DEX * 3.6 + STR) / 100] * Weapon Attack
Min - (DEX * 0.9 * 3.6 * Skill Mastery + STR) / 100 * Weapon Attack

Damage
Low-DEX Infighter:
Total Weapon Attack: 125
STR: 715(700+15)
DEX: 90(20+70)
INT: 4
LUK: 4

2375.0 ~ 4375.0
Double Upper range: 13775.0 ~ 25375.0
Backspin Blow range: 5700.0 ~ 10500.0
Spiral Punch range: 9975.0 ~ 18375.0
Energy Drain range: 7481.0 ~ 13781.0
Energy Drain(Gained) range: 1197.0 ~ 2205.0
Shockwave range: 16625.0 ~ 30625.0
Dragon Strike range: 19237.0 ~ 35437.0
Fist range: 32775.0 ~ 60374.0
Fist (Individual Hit) range: 5462.0 ~ 10062.0
Energy Orb range: 21375.0 ~ 39375.0
Demolition range: 76000.0 ~ 140000.0
Demolition (Individual Hit) range: 9500.0 ~ 17500.0
Snatch range: 14250.0 ~ 26250.0

Double Upper crit range: 15200.0 ~ 28000.0
Backspin Blow crit range: 7125.0 ~ 13125.0
Spiral Punch crit range: 11400.0 ~ 21000.0
Energy Drain crit range: 8906.0 ~ 16406.0
Energy Drain(Gained) crit range: 2622.0 ~ 4830.0
Shockwave crit range: 18050.0 ~ 33250.0
Dragon Strike crit range: 20662.0 ~ 38062.0
Fist crit range: 34200.0 ~ 62999.0
Fist (Individual Hit) crit range: 6887.0 ~ 12687.0
Energy Orb crit range: 22800.0 ~ 42000.0
Demolition crit range: 77425.0 ~ 142625.0
Demolition (Individual Hit) crit range: 10925.0 ~ 20125.0
Snatch crit range: 15675.0 ~ 28875.0

Double Upper SE crit range: 18525.0 ~ 34125.0
Backspin Blow SE crit range: 10450.0 ~ 19250.0
Spiral Punch SE crit range: 14725.0 ~ 27125.0
Energy Drain SE crit range: 12231.0 ~ 22531.0
Energy Drain(Gained) SE crit range: 5947.0 ~ 10955.0
Shockwave SE crit range: 21375.0 ~ 39375.0
Dragon Strike SE crit range: 23987.0 ~ 44187.0
Fist SE crit range: 37525.0 ~ 69125.0
Fist (Individual Hit) SE crit range: 10212.0 ~ 18812.0
Energy Orb SE crit range: 26125.0 ~ 48125.0
Demolition SE crit range: 80750.0 ~ 148750.0
Demolition (Individual Hit) SE crit range: 14250.0 ~ 26250.0
Snatch SE crit range: 19000.0 ~ 35000.0

DEXless Infighter:
Total Weapon Attack: 115
STR: 770(700+70)
DEX: 35(20+15)
INT: 4
LUK: 4

2300.0 ~ 4255.0
Double Upper range: 13340.0 ~ 24679.0
Backspin Blow range: 5520.0 ~ 10212.0
Spiral Punch range: 9660.0 ~ 17871.0
Energy Drain range: 7245.0 ~ 13403.0
Energy Drain(Gained) range: 1159.0 ~ 2144.0
Shockwave range: 16100.0 ~ 29785.0
Dragon Strike range: 18630.0 ~ 34465.0
Fist range: 31739.0 ~ 58718.0
Fist (Individual Hit) range: 5290.0 ~ 9786.0
Energy Orb range: 20700.0 ~ 38295.0
Demolition range: 73600.0 ~ 136160.0
Demolition (Individual Hit) range: 9200.0 ~ 17020.0
Snatch range: 13800.0 ~ 25530.0

Double Upper crit range: 14720.0 ~ 27232.0
Backspin Blow crit range: 6900.0 ~ 12765.0
Spiral Punch crit range: 11040.0 ~ 20424.0
Energy Drain crit range: 8625.0 ~ 15956.0
Energy Drain(Gained) crit range: 2539.0 ~ 4697.0
Shockwave crit range: 17480.0 ~ 32338.0
Dragon Strike crit range: 20010.0 ~ 37018.0
Fist crit range: 33120.0 ~ 61271.0
Fist (Individual Hit) crit range: 6670.0 ~ 12339.0
Energy Orb crit range: 22080.0 ~ 40848.0
Demolition crit range: 74980.0 ~ 138713.0
Demolition (Individual Hit) crit range: 10580.0 ~ 19573.0
Snatch crit range: 15180.0 ~ 28083.0

Double Upper SE crit range: 17940.0 ~ 33189.0
Backspin Blow SE crit range: 10120.0 ~ 18722.0
Spiral Punch SE crit range: 14260.0 ~ 26381.0
Energy Drain SE crit range: 11845.0 ~ 21913.0
Energy Drain(Gained) SE crit range: 5759.0 ~ 10654.0
Shockwave SE crit range: 20700.0 ~ 38295.0
Dragon Strike SE crit range: 23230.0 ~ 42975.0
Fist SE crit range: 36340.0 ~ 67229.0
Fist (Individual Hit) SE crit range: 9890.0 ~ 18296.0
Energy Orb SE crit range: 25300.0 ~ 46805.0
Demolition SE crit range: 78200.0 ~ 144670.0
Demolition (Individual Hit) SE crit range: 13800.0 ~ 25530.0
Snatch SE crit range: 18400.0 ~ 34040.0

Normal DEX:
Total Weapon Attack: 137
STR: 685(615+70)
DEX: 120(105+15)
INT: 4
LUK: 4

2466.0 ~ 4658.0
Double Upper range: 14302.0 ~ 27016.0
Backspin Blow range: 5918.0 ~ 11179.0
Spiral Punch range: 10357.0 ~ 19563.0
Energy Drain range: 7767.0 ~ 14672.0
Energy Drain(Gained) range: 1242.0 ~ 2347.0
Shockwave range: 17262.0 ~ 32606.0
Dragon Strike range: 19974.0 ~ 37729.0
Fist range: 34030.0 ~ 64280.0
Fist (Individual Hit) range: 5671.0 ~ 10713.0
Energy Orb range: 22194.0 ~ 41922.0
Demolition range: 78912.0 ~ 149056.0
Demolition (Individual Hit) range: 9864.0 ~ 18632.0
Snatch range: 14796.0 ~ 27948.0

Double Upper crit range: 15782.0 ~ 29811.0
Backspin Blow crit range: 7398.0 ~ 13973.0
Spiral Punch crit range: 11836.0 ~ 22358.0
Energy Drain crit range: 9247.0 ~ 17467.0
Energy Drain(Gained) crit range: 2722.0 ~ 5142.0
Shockwave crit range: 18741.0 ~ 35400.0
Dragon Strike crit range: 21454.0 ~ 40524.0
Fist crit range: 35510.0 ~ 67075.0
Fist (Individual Hit) crit range: 7151.0 ~ 13508.0
Energy Orb crit range: 23673.0 ~ 44716.0
Demolition crit range: 80391.0 ~ 151850.0
Demolition (Individual Hit) crit range: 11343.0 ~ 21426.0
Snatch crit range: 16275.0 ~ 30742.0

Double Upper SE crit range: 19234.0 ~ 36332.0
Backspin Blow SE crit range: 10850.0 ~ 20495.0
Spiral Punch SE crit range: 15289.0 ~ 28879.0
Energy Drain SE crit range: 12699.0 ~ 23988.0
Energy Drain(Gained) SE crit range: 6174.0 ~ 11663.0
Shockwave SE crit range: 22194.0 ~ 41922.0
Dragon Strike SE crit range: 24906.0 ~ 47045.0
Fist SE crit range: 38962.0 ~ 73596.0
Fist (Individual Hit) SE crit range: 10603.0 ~ 20029.0
Energy Orb SE crit range: 27126.0 ~ 51238.0
Demolition SE crit range: 83844.0 ~ 158372.0
Demolition (Individual Hit) SE crit range: 14796.0 ~ 27948.0
Snatch SE crit range: 19728.0 ~ 37264.0

Energy Charge Activated Damage
Low-DEX:
Total Weapon Attack: 145
STR: 715(700+15)
DEX: 90(20+70)
INT: 4
LUK: 4

2755.0 ~ 5075.0
Double Upper range: 26999.0 ~ 49735.0
Backspin Blow range: 12122.0 ~ 22330.0
Spiral Punch range: 17081.0 ~ 31465.0
Energy Drain range: 14188.0 ~ 26136.0
Energy Drain(Gained) range: 2270.0 ~ 4181.0
Shockwave range: 24795.0 ~ 45675.0
Dragon Strike range: 27825.0 ~ 51257.0
Fist range: 71078.0 ~ 130934.0
Fist (Individual Hit) range: 11846.0 ~ 21822.0
Energy Orb range: 30305.0 ~ 55825.0
Demolition range: 132240.0 ~ 243600.0
Demolition (Individual Hit) range: 16530.0 ~ 30450.0
Snatch range: 22040.0 ~ 40600.0

Double Upper crit range: 28652.0 ~ 52780.0
Backspin Blow crit range: 13775.0 ~ 25375.0
Spiral Punch crit range: 18734.0 ~ 34510.0
Energy Drain crit range: 15841.0 ~ 29181.0
Energy Drain(Gained) crit range: 3923.0 ~ 7226.0
Shockwave crit range: 26448.0 ~ 48720.0
Dragon Strike crit range: 29478.0 ~ 54302.0
Fist crit range: 72731.0 ~ 133980.0
Fist (Individual Hit) crit range: 13499.0 ~ 24867.0
Energy Orb crit range: 31958.0 ~ 58870.0
Demolition crit range: 133893.0 ~ 246645.0
Demolition (Individual Hit) crit range: 18183.0 ~ 33495.0
Snatch crit range: 23693.0 ~ 43645.0

Double Upper SE crit range: 32509.0 ~ 59885.0
Backspin Blow SE crit range: 17632.0 ~ 32480.0
Spiral Punch SE crit range: 22591.0 ~ 41615.0
Energy Drain SE crit range: 19698.0 ~ 36286.0
Energy Drain(Gained) SE crit range: 7780.0 ~ 14331.0
Shockwave SE crit range: 30305.0 ~ 55825.0
Dragon Strike SE crit range: 33335.0 ~ 61407.0
Fist SE crit range: 76588.0 ~ 141085.0
Fist (Individual Hit) SE crit range: 17356.0 ~ 31972.0
Energy Orb SE crit range: 35815.0 ~ 65975.0
Demolition SE crit range: 137750.0 ~ 253750.0
Demolition (Individual Hit) SE crit range: 22040.0 ~ 40600.0
Snatch SE crit range: 27550.0 ~ 50750.0

DEXless:
Total Weapon Attack: 135
STR: 770(700+70)
DEX: 35(20+15)
INT: 4
LUK: 4

2700.0 ~ 4995.0
Double Upper range: 26460.0 ~ 48951.0
Backspin Blow range: 11880.0 ~ 21978.0
Spiral Punch range: 16740.0 ~ 30969.0
Energy Drain range: 13905.0 ~ 25724.0
Energy Drain(Gained) range: 2224.0 ~ 4115.0
Shockwave range: 24300.0 ~ 44955.0
Dragon Strike range: 27270.0 ~ 50449.0
Fist range: 69659.0 ~ 128870.0
Fist (Individual Hit) range: 11610.0 ~ 21478.0
Energy Orb range: 29700.0 ~ 54945.0
Demolition range: 129600.0 ~ 239760.0
Demolition (Individual Hit) range: 16200.0 ~ 29970.0
Snatch range: 21600.0 ~ 39960.0

Double Upper crit range: 28080.0 ~ 51948.0
Backspin Blow crit range: 13500.0 ~ 24975.0
Spiral Punch crit range: 18360.0 ~ 33966.0
Energy Drain crit range: 15525.0 ~ 28721.0
Energy Drain(Gained) crit range: 3844.0 ~ 7112.0
Shockwave crit range: 25920.0 ~ 47952.0
Dragon Strike crit range: 28890.0 ~ 53446.0
Fist crit range: 71279.0 ~ 131868.0
Fist (Individual Hit) crit range: 13230.0 ~ 24475.0
Energy Orb crit range: 31320.0 ~ 57942.0
Demolition crit range: 131220.0 ~ 242757.0
Demolition (Individual Hit) crit range: 17820.0 ~ 32967.0
Snatch crit range: 23220.0 ~ 42957.0

Double Upper SE crit range: 31860.0 ~ 58941.0
Backspin Blow SE crit range: 17280.0 ~ 31968.0
Spiral Punch SE crit range: 22140.0 ~ 40959.0
Energy Drain SE crit range: 19305.0 ~ 35714.0
Energy Drain(Gained) SE crit range: 7624.0 ~ 14105.0
Shockwave SE crit range: 29700.0 ~ 54945.0
Dragon Strike SE crit range: 32670.0 ~ 60439.0
Fist SE crit range: 75059.0 ~ 138861.0
Fist (Individual Hit) SE crit range: 17010.0 ~ 31468.0
Energy Orb SE crit range: 35100.0 ~ 64935.0
Demolition SE crit range: 135000.0 ~ 249750.0
Demolition (Individual Hit) SE crit range: 21600.0 ~ 39960.0
Snatch SE crit range: 27000.0 ~ 49950.0

Normal DEX:
Total Weapon Attack: 157
STR: 685(615+70)
DEX: 120(105+15)
INT: 4
LUK: 4

2826.0 ~ 5338.0
Double Upper range: 27694.0 ~ 52312.0
Backspin Blow range: 12434.0 ~ 23487.0
Spiral Punch range: 17521.0 ~ 33095.0
Energy Drain range: 14553.0 ~ 27490.0
Energy Drain(Gained) range: 2328.0 ~ 4398.0
Shockwave range: 25434.0 ~ 48042.0
Dragon Strike range: 28542.0 ~ 53913.0
Fist range: 72910.0 ~ 137720.0
Fist (Individual Hit) range: 12151.0 ~ 22953.0
Energy Orb range: 31086.0 ~ 58718.0
Demolition range: 135648.0 ~ 256224.0
Demolition (Individual Hit) range: 16956.0 ~ 32028.0
Snatch range: 22608.0 ~ 42704.0

Double Upper crit range: 29390.0 ~ 55515.0
Backspin Blow crit range: 14130.0 ~ 26690.0
Spiral Punch crit range: 19216.0 ~ 36298.0
Energy Drain crit range: 16249.0 ~ 30693.0
Energy Drain(Gained) crit range: 4024.0 ~ 7601.0
Shockwave crit range: 27129.0 ~ 51244.0
Dragon Strike crit range: 30238.0 ~ 57116.0
Fist crit range: 74606.0 ~ 140923.0
Fist (Individual Hit) crit range: 13847.0 ~ 26156.0
Energy Orb crit range: 32781.0 ~ 61920.0
Demolition crit range: 137343.0 ~ 259426.0
Demolition (Individual Hit) crit range: 18651.0 ~ 35230.0
Snatch crit range: 24303.0 ~ 45906.0

Double Upper SE crit range: 33346.0 ~ 62988.0
Backspin Blow SE crit range: 18086.0 ~ 34163.0
Spiral Punch SE crit range: 23173.0 ~ 43771.0
Energy Drain SE crit range: 20205.0 ~ 38166.0
Energy Drain(Gained) SE crit range: 7980.0 ~ 15074.0
Shockwave SE crit range: 31086.0 ~ 58718.0
Dragon Strike SE crit range: 34194.0 ~ 64589.0
Fist SE crit range: 78562.0 ~ 148396.0
Fist (Individual Hit) SE crit range: 17803.0 ~ 33629.0
Energy Orb SE crit range: 36738.0 ~ 69394.0
Demolition SE crit range: 141300.0 ~ 266900.0
Demolition (Individual Hit) SE crit range: 22608.0 ~ 42704.0
Snatch SE crit range: 28260.0 ~ 53380.0

Overview of Skills
The Spammable
- Straight
- Somersault Kick
- Dash
- Knuckle Booster
- Shockwave
- Energy Drain
- Energy Buster
- Energy Orb
- Snatch
- Wind Booster
- Demolition

The Not-So-Spammable
- Backspin Blow
- Double Upper
- Screw Punch
- MP Recovery
- Transform
- Fist
- Dragon Strike
- Super Transform

Invincible While Casting
- Fist
- Screw Punch
- Demolition

Not Dispellable
- Transform
- Super Transform
- Energy Charge

Skills usable in Transform
- Snatch (Super only)
- Energy Drain
- Energy Buster
- Demolition (Super only)
- Shockwave
- Wind Booster
- Booster
- Maple Hero
- Hero's Will

Fun-fact Skill Analysis
Fist
- Has the same delay in between skill uses as Boomerang Step (approx. 1 second)
- Gives invincibility while skill is casting.
- Multi hit, and each hit can gather energy.
- Final hit does more damage than any of the others. Sometimes upward of 40k.
- Second to last hit does the most damage out of the first 5 hits.
- Not usable in Transformed State

Demolition
- Invincible while casting.
- Fairly Spamable
- If an auto-hit Magic attack is cast before the skill is used, it will connect.
- Most hits in the game (8).
- Only usable in Super Transformed State

Energy Orb
- Iron Arrow/Chain Lightening-esque damage for a mob skill
- Unusable in Transformed State

Next on the Agenda: ???

[xDae]

I got my guide up already. Took a while to get it formatted for this forum.

Anyway, Id like to continue our interactions from SW on here. Any comments you have for me to help my guide, feel free to PM me / post in the thread

[Cactuar]

I got my guide up already. Took a while to get it formatted for this forum.

Anyway, Id like to continue our interactions from SW on here. Any comments you have for me to help my guide, feel free to PM me / post in the thread

I'd be glad to.

[xDae]

Though remember, you only start 4th Job with Dragon Strike, Fist, and Wind Booster. We dont know where and how we get Time Leap yet

Also, why yould you get a point in it at 120? Wind Booster doesnt have a cooldown...that I know of. To help you get invited to bosses perhaps? :D

[Cactuar]

Though remember, you only start 4th Job with Dragon Strike, Fist, and Wind Booster. We dont know where and how we get Time Leap yet

Also, why yould you get a point in it at 120? Wind Booster doesnt have a cooldown...that I know of. To help you get invited to bosses perhaps? :D

Yep. At level 1 Time Leap is better than at least level 1 revive's cool down.

[xDae]

I think they gave Fist a slight delay so people would get the hint: Stun ~> Fist, repeat

[Cactuar]

I think they gave Fist a slight delay so people would get the hint: Stun ~> Fist, repeat

I think it's a combination of that, and the fact that you are invincible while using it.

[Loose]

I hope the delays don't hinder my gameplay.

But it's great to see Nexon promoting the use of more than one skill. It makes me wonder what MapleStory would be like if many skills had little delay.

[Cactuar]

I hope the delays don't hinder my gameplay.

But it's great to see Nexon promoting the use of more than one skill. It makes me wonder what MapleStory would be like if many skills had little delay.

The delays won't hinder you at all (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H0ghxVmj4o), or they shouldn't at least. The point is to be comboing your skills for massive damage, until you can transform to do massive damage period.

[Mark]

The delays won't hinder you at all (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H0ghxVmj4o), or they shouldn't at least. The point is to be comboing your skills for massive damage, until you can transform to do massive damage period.


I've never fapped so hard at a video before.

[xDae]

I hope the delays don't hinder my gameplay.

But it's great to see Nexon promoting the use of more than one skill. It makes me wonder what MapleStory would be like if many skills had little delay.

Yea better than being a NL with lolTT over and over again....makes me wonder why anyone would make a Herm.....o wait :(

[PieM4ster]

I think you should be using combo in the sense of a Sader's Combo Attack, not in the sense of like lolcaptainfalconkneecombo or HYPER COMBO FINNISH because its the same Dial-a-Combo everytime, kinda like a Band of Thieves + Boom Step + Band of Thieves for a Shadower "combo."

[Cactuar]

I think you should be using combo in the sense of a Sader's Combo Attack, not in the sense of like lolcaptainfalconkneecombo or HYPER COMBO FINNISH because its the same Dial-a-Combo everytime, kinda like a Band of Thieves + Boom Step + Band of Thieves for a Shadower "combo."

Eh, but it really is more like a Shadower's "combo". Both classes chain skills.

[Hazzy]

Yea better than being a NL with lolTT over and over again....makes me wonder why anyone would make a Herm.....o wait :(

A three second cooldown time on Triple Throw would own. xD

[Bribery]

Gunslingers should have the same 4.8 multiplier like Infighters. Their damage is pretty low and the speed doesn't really make up for it.

[Cactuar]

Does anyone want Gunslinger info? 'cause I could throw together some Gunslinger stuff if you want.

[Bribery]

Does anyone want Gunslinger info? 'cause I could throw together some Gunslinger stuff if you want.

-Flails arms- MEMEME

I'd like to compare them to Vipers.

If it's possible, could you get firing speeds? :f6:

[Cactuar]

Probably not. I'll see what I can do, though.

[mangaree]

will there be maple pirate weapons when they first come out?

[BrownTigga]

will there be maple pirate weapons when they first come out?

no not thill the next ani.
and according to ur thread, ur saying being regular dex infighter is better than low dex ?

[mangaree]

would it be smarter to have a lowdex slinger with strg equips or a normal strg slinger with dex equips

[BrownTigga]

would it be smarter to have a lowdex slinger with strg equips or a normal strg slinger with dex equips

u mean a lowstrg slinger with strg equips or a regular stg slinger with dex equips?:f6:

[Splinter]

how does the normal dex infighter have the highest WA, and overall damage? =[

[Acim]

Fun Fact of the Day about Pirates
(07/01/08) By advancing at 29 instead of 10, you will miss out on about 153 HP(73 at the best, 228 at the worst).

Interesting, nice thread. Helpful for those people who got their pirate to 29...

[Dusk]

What level are the damages for? And why does low-dex have less W. Att than normal-dex o_o

Do you mean low-dex like capped weapons?

[mangaree]

o oops i mean a low strg slinger with strg equips or a regular strg slinger with dex equips

[BrownTigga]

o oops i mean a low strg slinger with strg equips or a regular strg slinger with dex equips
im not a expert or anything but for a gunslinger is probably easier to go regular since there are alot of dex improving scrolls than strg. Also gunslingers would probably have to keep on upgrading their guns since the attack is so low so its probably smarter to go regluar strg or close to regular strg.

[mangaree]

k thnx

[LlghtHero]

how does the normal dex infighter have the highest WA, and overall damage? =[

Ithink its Because you lose a lot of weapon attack being dexless since the lvl of the knuckle = the dex requirement of the knuckle. You get a lot more weapon attack being high dex because you can equip higher leveled weapons and have a decent str bonus opposed to a weak dexless who doesn't have the dex bonus to equip a lvl 60 knuckle.

[xDae]

Ithink its Because you lose a lot of weapon attack being dexless since the lvl of the knuckle = the dex requirement of the knuckle. You get a lot more weapon attack being high dex because you can equip higher leveled weapons and have a decent str bonus opposed to a weak dexless who doesn't have the dex bonus to equip a lvl 60 knuckle.

Which makes no sense because if you are doing a true comparision, a true dexless (using a level 64 knuckle) would have an overall scrolled for str as well

I already picked apart Regualr Dex, Low Dex and Dexless builds in the guide in my siggy. I think I did a fair job of having each class have appropriate equips. And in the end, Low Dex beats Dexless

[Cactuar]

how does the normal dex infighter have the highest WA, and overall damage? =[

He was using the Timeless knuckle, the Low-DEX was using the 90 knuckle.