How much stronger are STR shads compared Dexless LUK shads?

[Infinium]

Please direct me to the thread/post if this was already discussed. Thanks.

I'm curious to know how much stronger are STR Shadowers compared to dexless LUK Shadowers. I have a Dexless LUK CB right now and I don't really want to make it into a STR Shadower after 120+ due to funds if there isn't really a huge difference in power. So how much of a difference are they if both of them have average equipment (numbers are much appreciated, I suck at math)?

[kingdj333]

Str shads are stronger by a wide margen after 15x+. That's when poison stab is maxed and really takes affect. So I've heard

[CarrionCrow]

Str shads are stronger by a wide margen after 15x+. That's when poison stab is maxed and really takes affect. So I've heard
Hmmm? Venom is based on LUK and STR equally with DEX as the secondary. The STR they put AP on is won by giving up LUK, the extra STR they get from stuff like zhelms and the likes a LUK shad gets too.
The real reason as to why STR shadowers will beat LUK is simply because a decently scrolled Dragon khanjar blows a godly maple shield out of the water. STR daggers and the blade shields also look a ton better than the LUK ones and the really ugly maple shield.

[IllegallySane]

Hmmm? Venom is based on LUK and STR equally with DEX as the secondary. The STR they put AP on is won by giving up LUK, the extra STR they get from stuff like zhelms and the likes a LUK shad gets too.
The real reason as to why STR shadowers will beat LUK is simply because a decently scrolled Dragon khanjar blows a godly maple shield out of the water. STR daggers and the blade shields also look a ton better than the LUK ones and the really ugly maple shield.

This. A clean Dragon Khanjar is already an amazing 14-16 attack without scrolling it. You can practically get away with a free godly work glove slapped on your Shadower without even paying more than ~15-20m for a clean one. Paying 15-20m for a 14-16 attack boost? Hell yeah!

Don't forget, the best you can hope for a Maple Shield is about 20 attack. The very fact a Dragon Khanjar is 14-16 attack clean makes it obvious which is better. Giving up 71 STR and probably 10-20 DEX (assuming the level 100-110 LUK daggers are what you're using) is well worth it. Don't forget you can easily make up for the STR with an HT Pendant and a Zakum Helm (it's worth 66 stats to a STR Shadower compared to 44 stats. STR and LUK-wise, it's in essence worth a good 4-5 attack if compared to a MoN). BAM! That's 37 STR right there and also a bonus 17 DEX (assuming you had a MoN to compared to), so all you're really giving up on is 34 STR and ~5-6 attack in order to equip a Dragon Khanjar. You therefore get a net 10 attack boost, the Dragon Khadjar STILL has to be scrolled. :cool:

*Besides, who can deny how awesome it looks having a 2nd dagger? Dual wielding Shadower > Shadower with a shield. Therefore, you also get the coolness factor.

[Greg22]

STR Shadowers are more power for a smaller price. Simple as that.

[TugboatWilly]

STR Shadowers are more power for a smaller price. Simple as that.too bad a nicely scrolled dragon khanjar costs an arm, leg, and firstborn. :f4:

[Dusk]

too bad a nicely scrolled dragon khanjar costs an arm, leg, and firstborn. :f4:

So does a Maple Shield. Shields are expensive in general :goggle:

Not being a STR shadower is like going STRless or DEXless for another class. It always loses out in the endgame. You're stuck with below average stuff and lose a ton of weapon attack just for a petty amount of base stats that can mostly be made up for just because Shadowers can take advantage of 3 stats instead of 1.

[Trust]

too bad a nicely scrolled dragon khanjar costs an arm, leg, and firstborn. :f4:

What attack would be a nicely scrolled dragon khanjar, cause i would consider nicely scrolled to be around 28+ atk for a dragon khanjar, and a nicely scrolled maple shield to be 19-21+ atk.

The 28 atk d. khanjar goes for around 400-600m in broa, and a 19-21atk can go for around 1.2b+.

[Flaxative]

So when it comes to the shield, it is obvious that the Dragon Khanjar is a far better deal, because you get far more attack for your money. Right?

[HybridStigmata]

depends on funding :]
there was this dude with a 31 ATT maple shield ...
& dexless kreda user .. o:

[DarkPwnage]

depends on funding :]
there was this dude with a 31 ATT maple shield ...
& dexless kreda user .. o:

But with the amount they put into that Maple Shield, they could have scrolled perhaps a 40 attack Dragon Khanjar.

In addition to how cheap Dragon Khanjars have gotten, it's also a lot easier to get the required str now as well. I'm working on getting to 75 strength with only a 7 base. With a full Green Osfa set with intermediate str crystals on all of them, it's like 19 strength right there, then a zhelm, MoN, dojo belt, I'm up to like 49 strength right now. A decently scrolled top, finishing getting a black belt, and the quest specialist medal will hopefully put me in the range of like 60, so I'll only need 3 levels of AP to be able to wear one.

[iFrancisco]

depends on funding :]
there was this dude with a 31 ATT maple shield ...
& dexless kreda user .. o:

I think you might be referring to xBlueDesire (his shield is 31 attack, but I don't think he used a Kreda). While his shield is undeniably godly and worth a lot, he still (unless he made big upgrades recently) gets outdamaged by Str shadowers with 35+ DKs and a good Pescas.

[TugboatWilly]

What attack would be a nicely scrolled dragon khanjar, cause i would consider nicely scrolled to be around 28+ atk for a dragon khanjar, and a nicely scrolled maple shield to be 19-21+ atk.

The 28 atk d. khanjar goes for around 400-600m in broa, and a 19-21atk can go for around 1.2b+.32 atk sold for 2.5b here in scania. 30 atk going for ~1.3b. :f3:

[Wheels1]

STR Shadowers are much stronger than LUK Shadowers, even with 4 base STR, though it's very hard to be a STRless DEXless Khanjar user without even scrolling for STR or DEX, but it can be possible.

DEXless, STRless Khanjar (Level 80 Secondary Dagger) user can be possible if you can handle stat equips without even putting points or even scrolling for STR and DEX. You need 60 total STR and 120 total (not base) DEX to wield a Khanjar, as well as Angelic Betrayal (Level 80 STR Dagger). It's one of the only secondary daggers ever in MapleStory, even though it's actually a shield, but it's scrolled with weapon attack for shield.

Here are the stat equipments for STR and DEX:

BASE STAT - 4 STR and 25 DEX
Maple Warrior - 0 STR and 3 DEX
Master Adventurer Medal - 2 STR and 2 DEX
Targa Hat (LUK) - 15 STR and 15 DEX
Glittering Altair Earrings - 2 STR and 2 DEX
Broken Glasses - 1 STR and 1 DEX
Spiegelmann's Rings - 4 STR and 4 DEX
Mark of Naricain - 5 STR and 5 DEX
Black Belt - 5 STR and 5 DEX

That leads to a total of 38 STR and 62 DEX on clean stat equipments. If you can include the Barlog shoes scrolled with Sunset scrolls, you can possibly add about 22 STR and 22 DEX without sacrificing LUK at all or even using 52 stat Horntail Pendant, and that leads you to a total of 60 STR and 84 DEX. You have enough STR for using a Khanjar and Angelic Betrayal.

Now all you need is 36 more DEX to be able to be a DEXless, STRless Khanjar and Angelic Betrayal Shadower. Targa Hat (LUK) can only be scrolled for DEX, so you can afford 20 DEX more on that hat. Finally, you get to scroll your Broken Glasses and Face Accessory for DEX by using Accuracy and Avoidability scrolls, respectively. Broken Glasses can add 2 more DEX, and any kind of Face Accessory can add up to 14 DEX. That leads you to a total of 120 DEX without sacrificing LUK at all or using 52 stat Horntail Pendant! You can be a DEXless, STRless Khanjar and Angelic Betrayal Shadower! You may feel free to scroll your Khanjar and Angelic Betrayal for weapon attack. I would be insanely impressed if you scroll them godlily.

As a matter of fact, Glittering Altair Earrings, Black Belt (if you can't afford well scrolled Witch's Belt), Blue/Red Sauna Robe, Blackfist Cloak, and Stormcaster Gloves can be scrolled for LUK and attack. If you scroll those items for DEX instead of LUK, you would be considered Low DEX, not DEXless. This also leads to DEXless Night Lords, though they already have Night Raven's Claw, a level 90 DEXless claw, so they don't need to worry about stat equipments that much. Timeless weapons, like all other ones, are very hard to obtain, since you need to collect items and stuff in order to make one.

Blackfist Cloak can either be used from Chaos Scrolls or LUK Scrolls. Any kind of gloves (except for mages) should be always used for weapon attack, unless you're a magician or a DEXless/Low DEX warrior. Also, Chaosed Facestompers are used for DEXless Night Lords, Low STR Corsairs, DEXless/Low DEX Buccaneers, and Low STR Archers. For Maple Warrior, you can party a person who has a maxed Maple Warrior, and tell him or her to cast it consistently.

Vacant Helmet (a godly level 130 helmet) isn't out yet, so I'm not going to include it. Even if it's out, it's very difficult to get, because you have to fight Aufhaven to grab that helmet. It's even more difficult than HornTail.

If there's something wrong with my post, criticisms are welcome. I hope this helps.

[Wheels1]

Not to mention wielding two daggers for a STR Shadower looks cooler than a LUK Shadower using Maple Shield.

Oh, and I almost forgot about Dragon Khanjar, level 120 Secondary Dagger, but you really need like 75 STR and 150 DEX in order to use it, which has about 8 more weapon attack than a regular Khanjar. If the fully scrolled Horntail Pendant is out, it might be possible to be a DEXless STRless Dragon Khanjar and Timeless Peskaz user.

To answer the question however, STR Shadowers are much stronger than DEX Shadowers, as I said, due to Khanjars. I have four Dragon Khanjars in Bellocan if anyone want to buy.

[King]

So does a Maple Shield. Shields are expensive in general :goggle:

Not being a STR shadower is like going STRless or DEXless for another class. It always loses out in the endgame. You're stuck with below average stuff and lose a ton of weapon attack just for a petty amount of base stats that can mostly be made up for just because Shadowers can take advantage of 3 stats instead of 1.

Most strong end game nls are actually dexless and still can use high level dex claws like craven because they can use dex gears...

A character should always keep their secondary stat to a min to benefit the most from maple warrior

on topic: str bandits with a decent dragon khanjar overpowers lukless but requires tons of fund

by pumping str or dex u might also waste nx late game since once u got better str and dex gear u will have to wash out those wasted ap u spent on adding str and dex...which result in wasting unnecessary money...

The cheapest way IMO is to train as dexless until level 200 then merchant like crazy until u can minimize the stats that u need to spend on str and dex so u can benefit the most from MW

[Devil]

Necroposting FTW, but anyway, at lvl200, with onyx apples, data taken from Dusk's DPS xls sheet:

After skill-rebalance (With Onyx Apples):
STR Shadower (with DrKhanjar) - 136.032 DPS
LUK Shadower (with 20att MShield) - 134.155 DPS
LUK Shadower (with 14att Wristguard) - 131.081 DPS

In comparision (With Onyx Apples):
- Paladins (After rebalance) - 151.248 DPS
- Hero's - 147.225 DPS
- DK's (With / Without Berserk) - 138.980 DPS / 69.490 DPS
- Buccaneer (Demo + Barrage AVG'ed) - 128.585 DPS

[KillaUz]

I hope u guyz do know that we lose some attk from adding into Str for example if we put 40 into str we lose 8 extra luk that Luk dits put into luk jus so u know

[Rayquaza2233]

Which in turn gets compensated by the Khanjar.