Maker - Alchemy Skill FAQ and Walkthrough

[IsaacGS]

The Maker skill is a skill that any classed player (Pirate, Thief, Warrior, Archer, or Magician - Sorry beginners!) can obtain at level 45. You do this by going to Stan, an NPC in Magatia. Stan will give you two quests, one to see Carson in the Zenumist heaqdquarters (Simple, he's right next door), and one to go see "Hughes the Fuse" in Orbis Tower B2. After talking to Carson and Hughes, merely go back to Stan, and he'll give you the skill! He also hands you a guidebook on how to use this skill. When you get it, the skill will be at level 1. You may level up this skill by performing later quests at level 75, and finally 105. You must level the skill in order to forge higher level equips. Level 1 can only do equipments for level 50-70, level 2 can do 50-100, and level 3 can do 50-120 (and presumably higher level than this, should they ever exist.) You can set it to a Hotkey like most other skills.

You can use it to forge all the standard equips for your class, starting from level 50 (seeing as how weapons from 10-40 can simply be purchased from NPCs). In order to forge any particular equip, you must be at least 5 levels from being able to equip it. So, if I wanted to forge a level 70 weapon, I would need to be 65. No, this skill may NOT be used to forge Maple weapons, Common class items (such as earrings or capes), or "gachapon" items, such as Stonetooth Sword/Ribgol. It MAY be changed when it gets to JMS or other versions, to forge equipments native to those versions. This is far from confirmed, however.

How the UI works. Here's a screenshot of this working in game:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/Maple0099.jpg
here's what it means. (Note that I didn't translate it, but it's what goes there.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/Maple0099dis.jpg
You can forge Overalls, tops/bottoms (if that's what your class uses.) Shoes, Gloves, Helms, and weapons (both of the weapons your class can use. So, if you are an archer, you could forge bows AND crossbows.) To forge something, you generall need several items in varying quantities, usually in direct relation to the level of an item (IE level 90 equips take much more to forge than a level 50 one). In some cases, such as for weapons, it uses items which we already have, like metal plates. Steel is particularly common for high level weapons (Steel plates go for as much as 4.5mil in KMS culverin right now. It's insanity). however, all items need certain new things which come along with the maker Skill.
1. Magic Powder - Magic powder comes in a large variety of colors, and depending on what color your equipment is, you'll need different magic powder. Think of it as dye. Since pretty much every class has dark equipment, Black powder is very much in demand, and tends to be rarer. Pirates need a lot of brown. Weapons typically don't need powders, unless it's a weapon that comes in a large variety of colors (Such as Scarabs or Arunds) These drop from monsters at about the rate of ores, so they aren't usually too hard to acquire. The problem is finding a monster that drops the color you need.
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2. Monster Crystals. Monster Crystals are forged from 100 ETC items from any monster. As new areas are released, the ETCs from those monsters are added (Such as Elin Forest monsters.) Monster crystals come in three grades, and are divided further into quality from that point. The quality and grade of a monster crystal are determined directly from the level of the monster that dropped the item. For example, if I went to hunt stone golems, I would get 100 Stone Golem Rubbles, and then use the Maker skill on them. They would forge a Low Grade Monster Crystal B, because Stone Golems are level 55. Only monsters over level 30 have ETC drops which can be used to make Monster Crystals. There is a SMALL chance that you can forge a higher quality Monster Crystal than the level range would indicate, however I have personally only had this happen when I used the skill many times in a row (Like after training, when I have 400 ETCs.) More testing needs to be done in this department.
Monster Crystal stats are as follows:
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Low Grade Monster Crystal C
Forged from Monster ETCs from level 31-50.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04260001infoiconRaw.png
Low Grade Monster Crystal B
Forged from Monster ETCs from level 51-60.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04260002infoiconRaw.png
Low Grade Monster Crystal A
Forged from Monster ETCs from level 61-70.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04260003infoiconRaw.png
Mid Grade Monster Crystal C
Forged from Monster ETCs from level 71-80.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04260004infoiconRaw.png
Mid Grade Monster Crystal B
Forged from Monster ETCs from level 81-90.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04260005infoiconRaw.png
Mid Grade Monster Crystal A
Forged from Monster ETCs from level 91-100.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04260006infoiconRaw.png
High Grade Monster Crystal C
Forged from Monster ETCs from level 101-110.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04260007infoiconRaw.png
High Grade Monster Crystal B
Forged from Monster ETCs from level 111-120.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04260008infoiconRaw.png
High Grade Monster Crystal A
Forged from Monster ETCs from level 121-200.

Notice that the change between grades occurs at 70-80, and 100-110. this is significant because you may only level up your Maker Skill at level 75 and 105. You don't have to be in a town or anything to use this skill, so if you fill up your inventory full of ETCs while training, you can take a moment on a safe spot and use this skill to consolidate your hundreds of ETCs to a handful of monster crystals. it's pretty convenient.

Additionally, you can optionally add new "graded" jewels to the formula. These are made from your standard gems (Diamond, Garnet, etc.) by putting them through the maker skill and appraising them. Each time you do this, it takes 100k. It has a high rate of coming out as low grade, a fair rate of coming out as Mid grade, and a low rate of coming out as High grade. I think it's 70%, 25%, 5%, but I'm not positive. The grade will be denoted by a tiny mark in the corner, like a scrolled item. To upgrade it, all you do is select from the drop down list the "Jewels" and then in the list beside it, pick out the jewel you are upgrading, and then hit go:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/Maple0098.jpg
Like Legendary Spirit, it has a "loading bar" style, so you'll have to wait a moment to see what you got. In this case, I got a low grade. The use of these graded jewels is totally optional.
The item usages are as follows (information provided by Loose, which was originally from a deleted post by Fiel on sleepywood):
Type of Crystal - Stat added - [Low Grade, Mid Grade, High Grade]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04250000infoiconRaw.pngDiamond: Weapon Attack [1, 2, 3] - Only usable on weapons
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04250100infoiconRaw.pngSapphire: Magic Attack [1, 2, 3] - Only usable on weapons
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04250200infoiconRaw.pngGarnet: Accuracy [2, 3, 5]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04250300infoiconRaw.pngOpal: Avoid [2, 3, 5]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04250500infoiconRaw.pngAquamarine: Jump [1, 2, 3]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04250400infoiconRaw.pngAmethyst: Speed [1, 2, 3]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04250600infoiconRaw.pngTopaz: HP [10, 20, 30]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04250700infoiconRaw.pngEmerald: MP [10, 20, 30]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04251300infoiconRaw.pngBlack Crystal: Random [1, 2, 3]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04251400infoiconRaw.pngDark Crystal: Random [2, 3, 5]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04250800infoiconRaw.pngPower Crystal: STR [2, 3, 5]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04251100infoiconRaw.pngDEX Crystal: DEX [2, 3, 5]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04250900infoiconRaw.pngWisdom Crystal: INT [2, 3, 5]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04251000infoiconRaw.pngLUK Crystal: LUK [2, 3, 5]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04251200infoiconRaw.pngSecret Crystal: Level Requirement [-1, -2, -3] - Not yet available in game.
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[Low Grade, Mid Grade, High Grade]

Every different type of gem has a different affect on the end item. The stat crystals add the stat they are related to (IE, Dex Crystal will add Dex, etc.) Diamonds add weapon Attack, but they can only be used on weapons. Sapphire adds Magic attack, so it is a separate gem, and mages won't have to deal with price hikes on Diamonds. It, too, only works on weapons. These don't affect the slots at all, so you end up with an above average item with different stats on it. There's no chance of the item breaking if you add a graded jewel to the formula. This is great, because you can use this skill to add a stat that isn't normally found on something (For example, use a LUK crystal to add luck to an overall, or shoes) and then start tossing Chaos Scrolls on it. It really opens a lot of doors when used in conjunction with Chaos Scrolls.

For a Maker Skill at level 1, you can only use 1 jewel per formula. I believe the number of jewels you can use goes up as you level the skill, meaning that at 105 you could use a total of 3 jewels on one forged equip. They don't all have to be the same jewels, either. Since a high grade Diamond will add 3 weapon attack. According to Blitzkrieg (Shrapnel of KMS), you may only use one of a jewel type per equip. One diamond, be it high grade or low grade. Now you see why this skill is useful, no? pineappleing godly.

On top of all that, you can use stimulators to forge things as well. They created Overall Stimulators and hat stimulators and so on now, so there's a stimulator available if you choose to use one. stimulators DO, however, add a chance of failing to the item, which at default is 10%. The higher your Hands stat is (OMFG HANDS IS USED FOR SOMETHING), the lower the failure rate is, but this doesn't lower the odds of the item coming out below. Since Hands is calculated from total Dex+Int+Luk, warriors and Infighters (who have mostly STR) are really screwed over by this. archers and gunslingers will have a harder time than Mages and Thieves, who will have their Hands at maximum. Stimulators can also be used in conjunction with graded jewels. Either way, I wouldn't recommend using a stimulator, because the benefit of having it is outweighed by the odds of it ruining your item.

There's also a series of quests associated with the skill that involve using it to forge special quest items. It's pretty neat, but in the end it's a decoy for collecting the items to forge the quest item.

One other thing, is that there's a "Mystery forging" option. You can put whatever materials you want in there and try to forge something. I have no idea what it's for and I've never been able to make anything in this way. I assume that if you knew the formula to forge an equipment from another class, you could use this option to make it, however I can't confirm this. It also costs mesos to forge items, however the amount is typically a pittance in comparison to the items' cost, though it is almost always higher than the NPC price of that item.


Some downsides to this skill system? For one, it requires refined gems, however you can't use this skill to make ores into refined gems. This means you'll almost always have to hike off to a town with a refining NPC. It can also get quite expensive, what with 100k to grade a refined jewel and meso costs to forge items. You can't add the jewels to a pre-existing item, so poorly scrolled items and below average ones will take a hit when this is released. On top of this, since each type of jewel now has 4 forms (The ordinary refined, ungraded form, and the three grades) you'll be wasting a LOT more ETC space on this. I previously speculated that people would create new mules for the sole purpose of carrying excess gems, Monster Crystals, and Magic Powders.

If you want to see the list of the items needed to forge a specific equip, please look here:
http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6757

[IsaacGS]

_reserve second post_

[Stereo]

So... with Garnets you can add 10-15 acc to any average class equips stats?

Very very nice for warriors :| A 30 acc clean lv.100 set could easily match most current overalls.

Not so pleased with needing 3x as many etc. slots for refined jewels though..


Any chance you know what stats Black Crystal / Dark Crystal can randomly add? At first glance they look like they're pretty useless. (which I am sad about - I have nearly 200 refined BC due to hunting Dual Pirates :x)

[Greg22]

NEED MOAR DIAMONDS.
And I feel like an idiot for not saving all of the ores I collect, like a certain Manda does.

[IsaacGS]

NEED MOAR DIAMONDS.
And I feel like an idiot for not saving all of the ores I collect, like a certain Manda does.
The best advice someone could give is to hoard diamonds like hell, and then grade them all when this comes out. High grade diamonds will be worth a fortune, especially on day one.

[Mark]

Thanks for the info.

This is exactly what I needed.

[khuba]

Additionally, you can optionally add new "graded" jewels to the formula. These are made from your standard gems (Diamond, Garnet, etc.) by putting them through the maker skill and appraising them.
standard gems = ores? i hope not (i have lots of diamonds from apq f3)

And 1 more question, can you get 120weapons in some other way(not from this skill)?

[Jones]

great
but it's too long i think:f7:

em
does all the 120 weapons and eqps only can be made by this skill?

time debris
necessities to make 120 weapons and eqps
every temple of time's monster drops it
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/1186/55207754bq5.jpg

[Protevs]

Nicely done, Isaac. I do, however, have one question for you:

When you state that Sapphire can only be used on weapons, do you also mean that weapons can only be ugraded with Sapphires? 'Cause using Wisdom Crystals would be much better, seeing as they add 2,3,5 instead of 1,2,3 and give m.def aswell as m.atk.

[Wani]

The best advice someone could give is to hoard diamonds like hell, and then grade them all when this comes out. High grade diamonds will be worth a fortune, especially on day one.


This'll be easy on GMS, seeing as we have refined diamonds dropping like mad from APQ.


Nice guide! Looking forward to this :D

[xDae]

So you can make a weapon with the possibility of being 9 attack above average before you start scrolling it? Godly

[iamflip]

Heh... APQ will be way more useful now, since bonus gives tons of Diamonds and Diamond Ore. ^^

Few questions. Once you add jewels to an item, you can't add any more? Does this skill only work on equips that were forged or something?

[Silence]

is upgrading the skills 100%? ~

[Acim]

I want this. I wonder when real godly items will come (this + Chaos scrolls = win). >_<

[Viper]

Time to start farming ores.

[PieM4ster]

Edit: Ignore That, I misread speed as attack speed.

I CANNOT wait for this to come out. Awesome post Isaac.

[Roxas]

What if you're like, level 150 (example) and you forge a weapon, what level would it be? The closest to your current level or just any random weapon above level 50?

[kleptophobia]

It looks like a good thing that I collect ores, on a large scale! 130+ dark crystal ores (from FoG level 72-91 on a CB without 2x)... Over 300 refined black crystals (I may have given some away)...

But interesting is the Secret Crystal, imagine being able to use a weapon or something at an earlier level! UNLIMITED POWER (well...you know)! But Dark Crystals look interesting, the possibility for it to be 15 w.attack above average clean? Sounds unfair for classes with insanely high modifiers and low weapon attack (Ahem, NightLords)...

[Dyxanije]

I need to start farming crystals - mainly Diamonds xD.

I really want this :shine:.

[IsaacGS]

standard gems = ores? i hope not (i have lots of diamonds from apq f3)

And 1 more question, can you get 120weapons in some other way(not from this skill)?
Um, they probably drop from Pink Bean but there's no way to know that right now. They might also drop from regular monsters in Time Temple.

great
but it's too long i think:f7:

em
does all the 120 weapons and eqps only can be made by this skill?

time debris
necessities to make 120 weapons and eqps
every temple of time's monster drops it
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/1186/55207754bq5.jpg
I had seen that before, it's a new kind of Ore. I figured it was for level 120 weapons however I had no confirmation of this until now.

Nicely done, Isaac. I do, however, have one question for you:

When you state that Sapphire can only be used on weapons, do you also mean that weapons can only be ugraded with Sapphires? 'Cause using Wisdom Crystals would be much better, seeing as they add 2,3,5 instead of 1,2,3 and give m.def aswell as m.atk.
Nope, you can use pretty much any crystal or jewel on a weapon. I guess sapphires are a lot more common than Wisdom crystals and that was the plan.


This'll be easy on GMS, seeing as we have refined diamonds dropping like mad from APQ.


Nice guide! Looking forward to this :D
I have to wonder if Nexon knew about this when they were making APQ bonus, but either way as usual GMS is gonna have a massive advantage as far as attack is concerned.

is upgrading the skills 100%? ~
yeah. Why would your skill points fail?

It looks like a good thing that I collect ores, on a large scale! 130+ dark crystal ores (from FoG level 72-91 on a CB without 2x)... Over 300 refined black crystals (I may have given some away)...

But interesting is the Secret Crystal, imagine being able to use a weapon or something at an earlier level! UNLIMITED POWER (well...you know)! But Dark Crystals look interesting, the possibility for it to be 15 w.attack above average clean? Sounds unfair for classes with insanely high modifiers and low weapon attack (Ahem, NightLords)...
Besides being a strange sight, I doubt equipping it at an early level will be of much use.

for Dark crystals, You have to realize that's a random stat. What are the odds that all 3 Dark Crystals will be weapon attack? Extremely low, if it's even possible. I wouldn't be counting on that.

[kleptophobia]

Well IsaacGS, even the 9 w.attack from the 3 diamonds would be beyond godly for a hermit. Imagine a clean ~59-70 w.atk sleeve. Just purely unfair!

[IsaacGS]

Well IsaacGS, even the 9 w.attack from the 3 diamonds would be beyond godly for a hermit. Imagine a clean ~59-70 w.atk sleeve. Just purely unfair!
I'm still not 100% sure that you can use the same grade all 3 times, but even a 6 attack bonus seems like a lot. They tried to balance it with thieves, I guess, but it is still way unfair, I agree.

[Jirai]

What about the level 110 equips? Can you forge those? Do they require the same ridiculous amount of items as forging them in Leafre?
What about the previous forging NPCs, are those basically (even more) useless now?

[IsaacGS]

What about the level 110 equips? Can you forge those? Do they require the same ridiculous amount of items as forging them in Leafre?
What about the previous forging NPCs, are those basically (even more) useless now?
Yes, the forging recipes for items that you can forge through NPCs now are still the same. You still need stupid Dragon Scales and Dragon Spirits.

The only advantage forging NPCs have over this skill is that they don't have a level requirement.

[Stereo]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/Maple0099.jpg

In this picture are the top 6 slots fixed (it just takes directly from inventory) and you click drag items into the bottom ones?

Would you mind posting example recipes at each level of item just to get an idea how much stuff you need?

[Cardboardsnail]

Wowiee

This is going to change the entire market when it comes out

[IsaacGS]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/Maple0099.jpg

In this picture are the top 6 slots fixed (it just takes directly from inventory) and you click drag items into the bottom ones?

Would you mind posting example recipes at each level of item just to get an idea how much stuff you need?
I can only forge level 50 pirate gear right now, so it's hard to give an accurate idea of this. Also, if you have enough of an item (Like if I had 5 green powders) it would automatically become colored in the top boxes. You don't need to drag necessary items in there, it detects those on its own.

I can say that a level 50 Knuckle needed 20 Low Grade Monster Crystal C's, which equals 2,000 ETC items from level 30-50 monsters. Weapons take drastically larger amounts of items than other equipments (as you can see in that screen, it only needs 10 Monster Crystals for the level 50 overall.) Whatever color powder it is that they need, everything requires 5 of it. A glove needs 5 brown, a boot needs 5 brown, the overall needs 5 green... I don't know if this will increase with higher level recipes.

To add jewels or stimulators, you just drag them into the boxes. You can't really see it but the bottom boxes next to the stimulator are X'ed out.

[blitzkrieg]

Thanks Isaac, I was looking for what the different ores did, lol. I've got one correction though. With Maker skill level 2, it only lets you add 2 crystals on items level 75+ and it won't let you use the same type of crystal more than once. For example, you can add one +3 att diamond and a dex crystal or something, but you can't add a 3 att diamond and a 2 att diamond, or a 3 att and 3 att, etc. You get an error when you try (http://i35.tinypic.com/10p2c2d.png), so the best attack you can get on a weapon without a stimulator is average+3.

[IsaacGS]

Thanks Isaac, I was looking for what the different ores did, lol. I've got one correction though. With Maker skill level 2, it only lets you add 2 crystals on items level 75+ and it won't let you use the same type of crystal more than once. For example, you can add one +3 att diamond and a dex crystal or something, but you can't add a 3 att diamond and a 2 att diamond, or a 3 att and 3 att, etc. You get an error when you try (http://i35.tinypic.com/10p2c2d.png), so the best attack you can get on a weapon without a stimulator is average+3.
Ok, thanks, I'll fix that. I was hoping you'd see this thread. XD

[z0mgc00k13]

so there can be a 21 att wg :D

[Russt]

But say you use a diamond, a DC, and a BC, could they both roll weapon attack and stack with the diamond?

That would make a +11 clean weapon possible, but very unlikely. Might as well just hit two 30's.

[White Adapt]

I wonder if this will make jump quests that give diamonds as a reward, more popular. It would be wierd to see a lot of people in B3 again.

[MaxHudson]

I wonder if this will make jump quests that give diamonds as a reward, more popular. It would be wierd to see a lot of people in B3 again.

I know I'll be revisiting afew JQ's for the extra ores once this is out.

You could make some really wicked gear using this thing.

Could anyone post some SS's of some made gear or a video on youtube of somone making it? I'd like to just see a video of somthing being made with awesome stats. =]

[IsaacGS]

so there can be a 21 att wg :D
no, because you can't make common job items, and you can't use Diamonds on anything but weapons.

But say you use a diamond, a DC, and a BC, could they both roll weapon attack and stack with the diamond?

That would make a +11 clean weapon possible, but very unlikely. Might as well just hit two 30's.
Yeah, it's possible, but you'd have to be really, really, really lucky.


I know I'll be revisiting afew JQ's for the extra ores once this is out.

You could make some really wicked gear using this thing.

Could anyone post some SS's of some made gear or a video on youtube of somone making it? I'd like to just see a video of somthing being made with awesome stats. =]
I'll get one in a second. I made an Overall with the maker skill and put a Dex Crystal on it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/Maple0148.jpg
See, that's the one I made compared to the average one in the Maker skill.

I also had a quest at level 50 for the Maker Skill. He wanted me to go to El Nath and meet the shoe maker Gordon. He asked me to get 50 Jr. Yeti Skins. After I did this, He gave me this pendant:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/Maple0155.jpg
Notice that it has no slots and no stats. Its purpose eludes me, I have no clue what it's for. It looks awfully weird.

[z0mgc00k13]

no, because you can't make common job items, and you can't use Diamonds on anything but weapons.

aww D:

[Alloy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04251300infoiconRaw.pngBlack Crystal: Random [1, 2, 3]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/04251400infoiconRaw.pngDark Crystal: Random [2, 3, 5]

UHM... I think I have a theory for these ones. Maybe the black crystal can only add a random stat from any regular jewel (attack, speed, hp, etc...), while the dark crystal can only add from any crystal (STR, INT, DEX, LUK).

Kinda makes sense, but I obviously don't know the real deal :p

[Viper]

Woah woah woah, can't can't wait to get back to MS and start farming ores, and and apqing till im satisfied. :D

[JezzaRules]

Interesting.... I always wondered what I should do with my STACK of refined gems and crystals...
Also, can you slot more than one gem into the weapon/armor?

[Russt]

For a Maker Skill at level 1, you can only use 1 jewel per formula. I believe the number of jewels you can use goes up as you level the skill, meaning that at 105 you could use a total of 3 jewels on one forged equip. They don't all have to be the same jewels, either. Since a high grade Diamond will add 3 weapon attack. According to Blitzkrieg (Shrapnel of KMS), you may only use one of a jewel type per equip. One diamond, be it high grade or low grade. Now you see why this skill is useful, no? pineappleing godly.

^ that.

Looking at the picture though, there seem to be 4 possible slots for jewels (1 is available, 3 are crossed out). Maybe it goes 1, 2, 4, or maybe there's a level 4 in the future?

[IsaacGS]

^ that.

Looking at the picture though, there seem to be 4 possible slots for jewels (1 is available, 3 are crossed out). Maybe it goes 1, 2, 4, or maybe there's a level 4 in the future?
I think it's just a place holder for there being 4 in the future. The skill's max for the moment is 3. Since you can only use 1 diamond, the most useful thing to do would be 1 high grade diamond and 1 high grade Stat crystal (STR/DEX/LUK). With that it doesn't really matter what you put on your 3rd slot. I guess you could put your secondary stat, but since most people only use the secondary stat to equip a weapon, it's not gonna do you much good.

[Russt]

You could carry around a 2-3 stat cape to equip your weapon, switch your cape, and let the weapon fulfill its own requirement.

Or did that get fixed?

[White Adapt]

I'm pretty sure that the weapon isn't allowed to fill its own requirement.

[Crovis]

Nice work, just one question.

Do diamonds get their grade when refined? Or is grading a totally different thing?

Simply, can i stock on a bunch of diamonds and later grade them?

[Russt]

By the looks of it, grading jewels uses the Maker window, which would make it separate from refining. But even if they're tied together, you could stock on ores and later grade and refine them.

[IsaacGS]

here's how grading works:
You get 10 ores. You go to the NPC and make a refined gem, for our example let's use Diamond. So, you now have this refined Diamond. You use your Maker skill to open up the UI, then select Jewels from the leftmost dropdown list. You then move to the rightmost dropdown, and pick out your specific jewel, in this case Diamond.
You then pay 100,000 mesos and use the skill. It will run the little progress bar, and when it's finished, your jewel will be graded.

[Ray]

I for one, hope we never get this.

This is going to ruin maple story IMO. Turning it into such a diablo complicated type of item upgrade system.

GG.

[Stereo]

You don't think people spending 10mil per stack of diamonds to try to get the good ones will help the economy at all? :p

[blitzkrieg]

Maker skill isn't as amazing for weapons as it is for equipment in my opinion.. Imagine if you were a NL making a level 80 Dark Pirate top and bottom..

An average Dark Pirate Top has 1 DEX and 5 LUK. Add on a high grade LUK crystal and a high grade DEX crystal and you've got a clean top with 6 DEX and 10 LUK. Add the same things onto a Dark Pirate Bottom (average of 1 DEX, 3 LUK) and you'll have 6 DEX 8 LUK clean pants. Total of 12 DEX and 18 LUK clean. Imagine scrolling those.

Also, I made a new overall with the skill today so I went ahead and recorded it because I think someone requested a video. Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2BWXrF73JA

And here's a screenshot of the finished overall and the average version:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/ddarko87/MapleStory2008-08-0315-52-57-79.png

No clue how I got 1 def above average.. Didn't use a stimulator, lol.

[IsaacGS]

Maker skill isn't as amazing for weapons as it is for equipment in my opinion.. Imagine if you were a NL making a level 80 Dark Pirate top and bottom..

An average Dark Pirate Top has 1 DEX and 5 LUK. Add on a high grade LUK crystal and a high grade DEX crystal and you've got a clean top with 6 DEX and 10 LUK. Add the same things onto a Dark Pirate Bottom (average of 1 DEX, 3 LUK) and you'll have 6 DEX 8 LUK clean pants. Total of 12 DEX and 18 LUK clean. Imagine scrolling those.

Also, I made a new overall with the skill today so I went ahead and recorded it because I think someone requested a video. Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2BWXrF73JA

And here's a screenshot of the finished overall and the average version:
http://img.photobucke.com/albums/v397/ddarko87/MapleStory2008-08-0315-52-57-79.png

No clue how I got 1 def above average.. Didn't use a stimulator, lol.
I noticed that my overall was one below in defense, too. Apparently there's a slight randomization factor even if you don't use a stimulator.

[kleptophobia]

That is interesting...I'm going to invest in this once it arrives :shine:

[Takebacker]

Can you use graded diamonds for quests that require diamonds?

[IsaacGS]

Can you use graded diamonds for quests that require diamonds?
No, which is the downside to grading all your jewels as soon as this comes out.

[Takebacker]

No, which is the downside to grading all your jewels as soon as this comes out.

Hah. I'm sure a graded diamond would get you a lot more money when it comes out then the quest that needs it anyway.

[Chameleonic]

Maker skill isn't as amazing for weapons as it is for equipment in my opinion.. Imagine if you were a NL making a level 80 Dark Pirate top and bottom..

An average Dark Pirate Top has 1 DEX and 5 LUK. Add on a high grade LUK crystal and a high grade DEX crystal and you've got a clean top with 6 DEX and 10 LUK. Add the same things onto a Dark Pirate Bottom (average of 1 DEX, 3 LUK) and you'll have 6 DEX 8 LUK clean pants. Total of 12 DEX and 18 LUK clean. Imagine scrolling those.

Also, I made a new overall with the skill today so I went ahead and recorded it because I think someone requested a video. Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2BWXrF73JA

And here's a screenshot of the finished overall and the average version:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/ddarko87/MapleStory2008-08-0315-52-57-79.png

No clue how I got 1 def above average.. Didn't use a stimulator, lol.


You used mid range crystals when making, otherwise it would have added +5 to Dex and Luk, right?

How come you could only use 2 of the 4 slots? Oh and can you put in 4 of the same crystal ?

[IsaacGS]

You used mid range crystals when making, otherwise it would have added +5 to Dex and Luk, right?

How come you could only use 2 of the 4 slots? Oh and can you put in 4 of the same crystal ?
Yeah, he used a mid-grade STR and Mid-grade DEX crystal on that.

He can only use two slots because his alchemy skill is at level 2. I can only use one slot because My skill is only at level 1. Since the skill can only reach level 3 right now, the most crystals you can use are three.

No, sadly, you can apparently only use one of each type of jewel (One diamond, one STR crystal, etc.). That means one Diamond, regardless of grade. So you could use 1 Low grade, or 1 high grade, but that's the only diamond you can use. Not both.

[Chameleonic]

Darn, an extra 20 dex on a clean equip would be great!

It's also a bit annoying that one can only make equips for your own class. The level limit hampers its usefulness too.

Anyone can scroll anything regardless of level or class with the Legendary Spirit Skill, why shouldnt we make anything regardless of level or class with the Alchemy Skill...

[Russt]

You should try plopping the materials for a level 50 equip, into the mystery forging option? Iunno, just an idea.

I imagine high grade crystals will be worth a LOT once this comes out, especially the diamond, garnet, stat crystals and etc.

And I just realized this gives somewhat of an edge for the normal non-statless people. Statless usually have to use common items, which can't be jeweled for extra stats. I mean, from jewels alone, you could potentially get +18 to your primary and secondary stat. If you factor in most people having a Zhelm and WG though, that drops to +12, and if you use an unjeweled weapon, +9. Still, pretty nice.


And the level/class requirements are good. Makes it so you can't just make whatever you want and sell it for a bunch of profit.

[Dusk]

Ignore this
How can you tell if an item has been socketed with jewels? The Pirate overall looks the same, as far as I can tell, in both pictures, with the exception of the stats. If you're buying an equip from someone else, how would you be able to tell if you could still socket it or not?

Also, if you socket an equip when your Maker level is 1, do you gain the ability to further socket it when you upgrade your Maker skill?

Oops, misunderstood. So you forge clean equips that are upgraded. Well, that pretty much decimates the value of already scrolled equips, doesn't it? I foresee scroll prices rising drastically.

[Jirai]

You can only add these stats to equips you forge, you can't take an equip you already have and put the jewels on it.

[jrvillarreal]

Now Jewels and etcs will have massive inflation and high lvl equips will have slight deflation(deflation? uninflation?). I sense an economy BOOOOM!:shine:

[Russt]

Wait for it. There are probably going to be a lot more implementations between now and ifever we get this that'll all throw the economy topsy-turvy.

Example: Pirates.

[ChaosCorpse]

The way I see it, seeing as we don't have any monsters with etc drops higher than lvl 113; and, assuming I understand this right, we would need crystals from lvl 120+ monster drops to make the lvl 120 stuff; when this first comes out, lvl 120 equipment will be unavailable. I'm also going to assume that we will get pirates before we receive the Time Temple (which would give us the needed etc drops). So it's use is going to change as we progress in our patches.

I estimate that in the beginning, funded individuals are going to use this for one of 3 things:
1. Use the stat crystals to buff up all their class equipment (the most obvious one). This will obviously inflate them for a while as people want as many stats as they can get, I'll assume that the priority and cost will wind up being from highest to lowest Luk, Wisdom, Dex, Strength.
2. You know those people who do something called hp washing? Well, I hear that they use Int equipment whenever they lvl up to add mp... See where I'm going with this? They can add 5 int to every piece of equipment they have to significantly boost their washing ability (at least I think it will).
3. HP equipment. Cheaper means to survive and still be able to scroll for more power.

Yes, people will want to make the lvl 110 equipment, but I don't think it will catch on too well here at first. Many people already have very well scrolled items and the process to make these is very difficult and may end up in failure since they are only making clean items to begin with. Throw a 30% on there and it could be gone.

I'm sure that once we are able to make the 120 set, it will change entirely though. With the ability to lvl up items and gain an extra skill point, I'm sure that set will catch on.

As for me, I just want my nice looking lvl 110 archer set and could care less about even scrolling it with the buffs I'll add clean. I've never cared that much about stats. For now, I'm hording DEX, INT, and Topaz.

[Blankout]

It seems like Opal and Emerald ores are pretty useless.

[Hotshot]

This is the 3rd big thread I read on the subject, I ended up reading most of the 7 pages too. This maker skill is just too interesting! It'll probably be ages before we get it in GMS, but the economy's going to go nuts when these things are released.

Thanks a lot for posting this, but I've got another question. You mentioned diamonds can only be added to weapons. Does this mean that all the other gems can work on everything? If so, it looks like I'll be crafting some 5 int archer boots. Wow, I might even be making int archer gloves/overall. Ooor I might not really care about my int much by that point in time.

Beyond making some really godly equipment, this system's going to make some really interesting and variable equipment.

Dex crystals/wisodom are going to skyrocket, dark/black crystals are going to go really high as well, scrolls (particularly 60s) are going to be seeing some massive inflation as well when this arrives. It's a shame we can't make maple weapons with these, and I hope the level 110/120 items become a bit more craftable than they are now.

edit: Isaac, what's that black claw-looking thing in your inventory? It's on the 4th page in your screenshot of the overall you made, two above and two right of the overall in your inv.

[IsaacGS]

This is the 3rd big thread I read on the subject, I ended up reading most of the 7 pages too. This maker skill is just too interesting! It'll probably be ages before we get it in GMS, but the economy's going to go nuts when these things are released.

Thanks a lot for posting this, but I've got another question. You mentioned diamonds can only be added to weapons. Does this mean that all the other gems can work on everything? If so, it looks like I'll be crafting some 5 int archer boots. Wow, I might even be making int archer gloves/overall. Ooor I might not really care about my int much by that point in time.

Beyond making some really godly equipment, this system's going to make some really interesting and variable equipment.

Dex crystals/wisodom are going to skyrocket, dark/black crystals are going to go really high as well, scrolls (particularly 60s) are going to be seeing some massive inflation as well when this arrives. It's a shame we can't make maple weapons with these, and I hope the level 110/120 items become a bit more craftable than they are now.

edit: Isaac, what's that black claw-looking thing in your inventory? It's on the 4th page in your screenshot of the overall you made, two above and two right of the overall in your inv.
all the other jewels work on everything.

110 weapons won't be any easier as they still require those ridiculous dragon scales and dragon spirits. The level 120 equipment needs a new kind of ore called Time Stones, which only drop from Time Temple monsters at the moment, so yes, Time Temple is necessary to forge 120 equips.

And that's not a claw, it's my level 50 knuckle. :p

[Hotshot]

all the other jewels work on everything.

110 weapons won't be any easier as they still require those ridiculous dragon scales and dragon spirits. The level 120 equipment needs a new kind of ore called Time Stones, which only drop from Time Temple monsters at the moment, so yes, Time Temple is necessary to forge 120 equips.

And that's not a claw, it's my level 50 knuckle. :p

It's a knuckle? I thought I saw someone on sleepywood posting a screenshot of their gunslinger equip and they were wearing it (+4 scrolls, +9dex, no other stats) as well as their gun. I thought it might be some new piece of equipment like the pendants.

[IsaacGS]

It's a knuckle? I thought I saw someone on sleepywood posting a screenshot of their gunslinger equip and they were wearing it (+4 scrolls, +9dex, no other stats) as well as their gun. I thought it might be some new piece of equipment like the pendants.
are you talking about this?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Isaac_mage/KMST/Maple0174.jpg
That's an earring. o-o

[Hotshot]

are you talking about this?
That's an earring. o-o

Oh ok. Sure is an odd-looking earring. :f3:

[IsaacGS]

it's supposed to be like a Bluetooth earpiece.

[Beserker101]

I'm just wondering now, is it possible to make shields with this? I would love to make a khanjar with 3 to 6 LUK, 2 to 5 DEX/STR and 7 weapon attack or a dragon khanjar (if my bandit ever gets there) with about the same amount of LUK and DEX/STR and 15 weapon attack.

[IsaacGS]

I'm just wondering now, is it possible to make shields with this? I would love to make a khanjar with 3 to 6 LUK, 2 to 5 DEX/STR and 7 weapon attack or a dragon khanjar (if my bandit ever gets there) with about the same amount of LUK and DEX/STR and 15 weapon attack.
You can only make Warrior shields with Maker, and obviously only if you are a warrior. (And, I would assume, level 120 shields for the other jobs, but that's not confirmed. Definitely not Khanjars though)

[randompeep]

a level 120 mage shield? hardly useful, but still...

[Cyanne]

Could you please tell me the combinations to make blue jewelry boots (level 20 magician shoes) and brown doroness robe (level 23 female magician overall)? Thanks a lot.

[VictorGS]

Could you please tell me the combinations to make blue jewelry boots (level 20 magician shoes) and brown doroness robe (level 23 female magician overall)? Thanks a lot.

I think you can just forge items from Level 50+. Sorry D:

[Cyanne]

Oh darn, they would've made great wisdom/black/dark crystal bait for lukless mages =/

[Wani]

How exactly do you find out what you need to forge things? I'm gonna want to forge sexy dark L100 warrior gear :D

[Chameleonic]

Fiel need to repost his thread about what is required to make the Equips with the Maker Skill...or is it here and I just cant find it?

[Harrisonized]

1) Since these crystals don't take slots (apparently), would it be possible to use them on already scrolled equips? (Like, equips with 0 slots).

2) Suppose you used three crystal on an item. How will another person know how many crystals were used on the item before they buy it, if it doesn't say on the item how many 'crystal' slots are left?

3) I noticed the level requirement crystal. Is there a point to it? Will it reduce the stat requirement in proportion to the level amount deducted, or will the stat requirements remain the same while only the level is reduced? Because if it's only level reduction and not stat reduction, then it's pretty useless.

4) Are the scroll 'crystals' tradeable? If so, then wouldn't it be better to buy it like you would a scroll?

5) How rare is the time debris? Is the time debris tradeable?

Sorry if these were already asked, but I really don't want to read through all the comments. >.>

[ItzTaylor]

1) Since these crystals don't take slots (apparently), would it be possible to use them on already scrolled equips? (Like, equips with 0 slots).

2) Suppose you used three crystal on an item. How will another person know how many crystals were used on the item before they buy it, if it doesn't say on the item how many 'crystal' slots are left?

3) I noticed the level requirement crystal. Is there a point to it? Will it reduce the stat requirement in proportion to the level amount deducted, or will the stat requirements remain the same while only the level is reduced? Because if it's only level reduction and not stat reduction, then it's pretty useless.

Sorry if these were already asked, but I really don't want to read through all the comments. >.>

"You can't add the jewels to a pre-existing item, so poorly scrolled items and below average ones will take a hit when this is released."

Theres no crystal slots, you use crystals when you actually create the item itself.

I haven't read much on this.

But I'm guessing those are the correct answers, based on what I have interpreted.

EDIT: Don't know about the level requirement. I agree with you.

Tradeable crystals? I'm thinking you will just have to buy the etc. Items.
I think the whole reason they put the etc. Item thing in there was the whole purpose of, higher levels getting the better upgrades.

Don't know about #5.

[Harrisonized]

But I'm guessing those are the correct answers, based on what I have interpreted.
Thanks. That means everyone's equips are screwed when these come out.

Although this probably isn't, is it possible to forge gacha only equips using the maker skill? I want to be able to forge a hinomaru fan using the maker skill if it ever comes out. >.>

[ItzTaylor]

It probably wouldn't have that big of effect on people's equips... I wouldn't say "screwed". o.O

I think the whole purpose of this anyways was to give the economy deflation and actually give ores and important role in maplestory, besides upgrading your lower level gear, which no one does.

[Cyanne]

Is there a complete list of forgeable items and forging combinations available?

[randompeep]

It probably wouldn't have that big of effect on people's equips... I wouldn't say "screwed". o.O

I think the whole purpose of this anyways was to give the economy deflation and actually give ores and important role in maplestory, besides upgrading your lower level gear, which no one does.

It would also give a point to the Claw Stimulators, etc.
(really, who forges items with them currently? yet i still got one while on Subani's Legacy.)

[ChaosCorpse]

It would also give a point to the Claw Stimulators, etc.
(really, who forges items with them currently? yet i still got one while on Subani's Legacy.)

This is also true to stimulators in general. No one currently does forge items anymore. I think the primary reasons are: All the items that can be made currently (Non-iTCG) are dropped by monsters now; the items to make them just aren't worth it in the end; and the game has been reworked so that people can level up to 60+ in no time so there is no use going through a hassle to get the lower level equips that will be replaced almost immediately (EDIT:); oh and I almost forgot, common class items.

Though I remember way back when I made every glove and shoe for my class to wear and even ended up making a rower since they did not drop at the time. It was worth it back then, but these days it's just not. Ores used to be around 600-1400 mesos each and now look at them... No one will be bothered to pay several hundred k for an item they will eventually have to NPC (because there is no market for low lvl items) for far less.

I actually hope they make the side ingredients interesting. People might complain, but we used to put up with a lot worse for a lesser gain; I believe those people who can't tolerate the sort of 'quest' it takes to gain the new items being made available for this should not end up getting them. But what am I saying, everything in game has been turned into a market so I'm just finding something I can think of as an accomplishment of my own. Others will just be able to buy it in the end.

:f6: I went off topic just now, didn't I?

[Erich]

wait, can you upgrade weapons with jewels? like if you made a weapon, can you add a jewel on?

[IsaacGS]

wait, can you upgrade weapons with jewels? like if you made a weapon, can you add a jewel on?
...Yeah. That's kind the whole point of the skill. XD

[Stereo]

wait, can you upgrade weapons with jewels? like if you made a weapon, can you add a jewel on?

You can add them while you're forging it, once it's made it's just like a normal weapon with slightly different stats.

[Erich]

...Yeah. That's kind the whole point of the skill. XD

after its made?

[Loose]

after its made?
After it's made, no.

Only while forging it. You can't "jewel" the weapons you currently have.

[»-Chris->]

Hey, thanks for the guide... Very useful.

[Worthyness]

I'm still confused as to what the Stimulators do... Do they make the chance of getting higher stats higher?

And as for a clarification, I could Hypothetically make a White Nisrock with +3 speed on it by way of this forging? Or an overall with +5 accuracy? both would be clean and have all the slots on them still (i.e. 7 slots for Nisrock and 10 slots for overall).

Thanks in advance =)

Nice guide too =P

[IsaacGS]

I'm still confused as to what the Stimulators do... Do they make the chance of getting higher stats higher?

And as for a clarification, I could Hypothetically make a White Nisrock with +3 speed on it by way of this forging? Or an overall with +5 accuracy? both would be clean and have all the clots on them still (i.e. 7 slots for Nisrock and 10 slots for overall).

Thanks in advance =)

Nice guide too =P

yes to all of those.

[Rezzy64]

lol I'm so glad now, I actually heard info about this before and as soon as I did I started collecting lots of diamonds. I currently ave 199 diamonds! ^_^

[ElenaOfTheTurks]

I dont want new things for equips.. I want more monsters to fight:f7:

[Chameleonic]

If you have the highest level skill, does that mean you can forge a low level equip, say a lv 40 Dark Piette top and use the 3 slots to add extra stats to them or can you only use the 1 slot on low level equips? I hope thats clear enough. lol

[blitzkrieg]

Nope, you can only use the extra slots on the new equips you unlock when you get the next level of the Maker skill.

[Chameleonic]

That sucks if a level 3 can only do lv 50-120 equips. There are no top/bottom above lv 40. I wanted to make clean top/bottoms with 10 extra stats.:f3:

[VladTheLvr]

I can see that this helps 2 classes by ALOT

Dexless warriors (set with maker skill forged armor)

Zakum helm 15 str 15 dex 20 acc (Scrolled for 21 dex)

Green Neos 2 str 6 dex 2 acc (5 Dex 5 str 5 acc) (Scrolled for +10 Str)

Green Neos Pants 3 dex 3 acc (5 Dex 5 str 5 acc) (scrolled for +18 dex and +18 speed )

Green Crescent Boots 2 str 4 dex (5 Dex 5 str 5 acc) (Scrolled for +20 Jump +12 dex)

Dark Korben 5 str 2 dex (5 Dex 5 str 5 acc) (Scrolled for 8 att)

Yellow Adventurer cape (scrolled for 16 dex)

TOTAL 117 DEX PURE EQUIPS (NOT COUNTING ACC)

I know this is pretty much semi godly armor but it also lets you have completely a dexless stone tooth wielder.

I will do the bandit later, but this goes to show that the warrior will no longer miss things if it chooses to go dexless. Seriously.

[NoJobNoRules]

Truly amazing. I can just see all of the possibilities and wow. Unbelieveable.


Too bad beginners can't get it, but oh well. I'm almost tempted to start JQing my heart out for refined ore stocking, but since it looks like we won't get this until after the Temple, I think I'll wait.


One downside for me. I'm going to have to reset a lot of my Crusader's DEX. XD

[IsaacGS]

Truly amazing. I can just see all of the possibilities and wow. Unbelieveable.


Too bad beginners can't get it, but oh well. I'm almost tempted to start JQing my heart out for refined ore stocking, but since it looks like we won't get this until after the Temple, I think I'll wait.


One downside for me. I'm going to have to reset a lot of my Crusader's DEX. XD
This actually came out in about early May for KMS, so it was well before the temple. When it was first released in official KMS 120 equips weren't forgeable.

[NoJobNoRules]

Blech....isn't kMS -> gMS like a yearish or so? Of course, Nexon could move things up/set it back either way. :s

[IsaacGS]

Blech....isn't kMS -> gMS like a yearish or so? Of course, Nexon could move things up/set it back either way. :s
For a lot of things it does end up being a year, but not always. Mu Lung was only about 6 months and Leafre was about 18. It's not really a set pattern.

Still, I can see this coming out in GMS with/shortly after Magatia. This system has a lot of uses and a lot of potential, so it'd be interesting to see what Nexon America might do for it.

[Chameleonic]

I hope Nexon make lv 50+ Top/Bottoms for Archers. Sins and warriors get then, why not us.

[Kabanaw]

I hope Nexon make lv 50+ Top/Bottoms for Archers. Sins and warriors get then, why not us.

Every class has either tops/bottoms for any given set. Why do you want tops/bottoms? Overalls generally have just as much as the top/bottom combined.

[Lozmaster]

Every class has either tops/bottoms for any given set. Why do you want tops/bottoms? Overalls generally have just as much as the top/bottom combined.

Uhh, I dunno, so they can be forged with a +5 str and +5 dex bonuses (depends on the level of the equip, thats for a higher level one)(ex: Total +20 if it's 2 pieces of eq, only 10 if it's a overall).

Also, am I right in thinking ANY class armour can be made with these? Yes please to 15 stat clean shoes >:) (ex dark wing boots have a average of 5 dex, +5str and +5 dex :D)

[IsaacGS]

Every class has either tops/bottoms for any given set. Why do you want tops/bottoms? Overalls generally have just as much as the top/bottom combined.


Uhh, I dunno, so they can be forged with a +5 str and +5 dex bonuses (depends on the level of the equip, thats for a higher level one)(ex: Total +20 if it's 2 pieces of eq, only 10 if it's a overall).

Also, am I right in thinking ANY class armour can be made with these? Yes please to 15 stat clean shoes >:) (ex dark wing boots have a average of 5 dex, +5str and +5 dex :D)
Yep, this is thinking. You can do this with overalls too.

[VladTheLvr]

Hmm. I think Top and Bottoms would be more convenient just because you get 14 more slots and get 30 addded stats instead of 15 for an overall.

[Chameleonic]

Every class has either tops/bottoms for any given set. Why do you want tops/bottoms? Overalls generally have just as much as the top/bottom combined.

Archers top/bottom finish at lv 40 which you cant forge.

If you could, you would get +10 stats on top and +10 stats on bottom with 14 slots total to scroll. Some warrior/sin tops give you up to 10 stats clean, imagine an extra 10 stats on a 10 stat top. You could have a 20 stat top with 7 slots to scroll. With an overall you get +10 stats with only 10 slots to scroll. Top/bottom combo gives you a much better chance of getting a lot more stats.

[Kabanaw]

I thought that bottoms and tops only had 5 slots each :o

Also, yeah it's true you would be able to add stats to both.

And how much do high grade jewels cost? I'd imagine they cost a ton since roughly only 1/20 jewels will be high grade.

This makes my goal of 165 luk pheesable. If I use all mid-grade luk crystals, I can re-forge all my equips with a total of 15 luk, which makes it so a zak helm and a one-time scrolled HT pendant to let me use a 163 elemental staff.

[Russt]

Pheesable? o_o

Bottoms and tops do have 7 slots each.

[Cyanne]

You can use it to forge all the standard equips for your class

Sorry to bump this up, but does this mean you can ONLY create your own class's equipment? Also, about how many mesos would it take to create a piece of equipment, and is there a complete list of forgeable items and their forging formulas available anywhere?

[IsaacGS]

Sorry to bump this up, but does this mean you can ONLY create your own class's equipment? Also, about how many mesos would it take to create a piece of equipment, and is there a complete list of forgeable items and their forging formulas available anywhere?
yeah, only stuff for your class. You can create all types of weapons that your class uses (for example warriors could do both 1hand and 2hand axes, swords, BWs, and spears and polearms. They can't make claws or wands though.)

Also there aren't any formulas posted anywhere, but fiel had posted them before on Sleepywood so perhaps he can repost them here some time.

[NoJobNoRules]

Although I'm having trouble coming up with an example(if there is one), what would be the story behind things like a Wooden Mallet(warrior, bowman, thief only) equivalent that would be 40+?

I can't think of anything higher leveled that would be for only these x jobs. :s

[IsaacGS]

Although I'm having trouble coming up with an example(if there is one), what would be the story behind things like a Wooden Mallet(warrior, bowman, thief only) equivalent that would be 40+?

I can't think of anything higher leveled that would be for only these x jobs. :s
It wouldn't be forgeable because it's not standard equipment, duh. :p

[NoJobNoRules]

So then it has to be your job only or no chance at all? :x I was jw.


I do wonder what they'll decide to do with iTCG/Gach items/exchange rewards when this is released though.

[Russt]

I believe wooden wand is standard equipment, and it's common. Same for some of the lower STR daggers and 1h swords, which are warrior/thief, and the level 10/15 spear, polearm, blunt, and some others, which are warrior/bowman/thief.

I think standard equipment stops doing that after level 30, though.

[Loose]

All STR Daggers, except the Bazlud and Dragon Kanzir, can be equipped by Warriors. Which I guess sorta benefits me? A bit? Maybe?

[NoJobNoRules]

All STR Daggers, except the Bazlud and Dragon Kanzir, can be equipped by Warriors. Which I guess sorta benefits me? A bit? Maybe?

Of course! How did I forget about daggers XD


Although my guess with these would be that only bandits/sins could forge them and warriors couldn't. I mean, the only skills that benefit them as far as warriors go are ones that benefit all weapons (things like combo, rage, etc).

[FelixTM]

This skill is looking to be very, very awesome. I can't wait. <3 Especially for Magatia and all its quests!

I'd like to know about some more specifics of the KMS economy. You mentioned Steel plates spiked to 4.5m each. Could you answer a few questions for me?

What about other KMS servers? What happened?
Did prices spike fast? Or over an x amount of time period?
Did price spikes on ores remain? Did the elevated prices become the new, accepted prices?
Which ores were affected the most? Steel, Diamond and Wisdom Crystal (among others) seem to be pretty likely candidates. What kind of price spikes did other ores receive?

Thanks for your time!

[Cyanne]

^Don't expect price spikes as massive as kMS's. In our server, we have these broken TCG items and tons of (stat)less classes running around. For example, facestompers mean that forging shoes won't be as popular. Flamekeeper cordon and stormcaster gloves reduce the need of gloves being forged. Also, you can't tell what new crap Nexon's gonna throw at us to make normal class equipment obsolete.

[FelixTM]

^Don't expect price spikes as massive as kMS's. In our server, we have these broken TCG items and tons of (stat)less classes running around. For example, facestompers mean that forging shoes won't be as popular. Flamekeeper cordon and stormcaster gloves reduce the need of gloves being forged. Also, you can't tell what new crap Nexon's gonna throw at us to make normal class equipment obsolete.

Not necessarily. Physical class shoes are basically obsolete, yes. Class gloves have never been a huge thing, but they will still be forged. Flamekeepers are far too rare and valuable to become the core glove. Mage gloves made with this skill could easily surpass them, through availability and base stats. The availability of high base stat overalls could be seriously tempting to many people. We may very well see a change in demand, barring statless uber whores (like dexless sins). The weapons, of course, will still cause many spikes.

It'll be interesting to see what happens. I doubt we'll react identically to KMS, but it could be very similar if not worse. GMS has terrible inflation and people readily able to create it.

[Worthyness]

If i used a dark/black crystal, could the outcome hypothetically be weapon attack or magic attack (cuase it's random)?

Then would it be possible, if you are extremely lucky, to make a weapon attack hat?

[IsaacGS]

This skill is looking to be very, very awesome. I can't wait. <3 Especially for Magatia and all its quests!

I'd like to know about some more specifics of the KMS economy. You mentioned Steel plates spiked to 4.5m each. Could you answer a few questions for me?

What about other KMS servers? What happened?
Did prices spike fast? Or over an x amount of time period?
Did price spikes on ores remain? Did the elevated prices become the new, accepted prices?
Which ores were affected the most? Steel, Diamond and Wisdom Crystal (among others) seem to be pretty likely candidates. What kind of price spikes did other ores receive?

Thanks for your time!
1. Don't know about other KMS servers. I'd imagine it wasn't as drastic because people would have been storing up ores and plates for years on those servers whereas Culverin only had about 4 months of build up.
2.They went down somewhat but the prices are still quite high. I think Culverin was hit harder by this than older servers.
3. Most ores (Garnets, etc.) that don't add good stats were barely affected at all. All the stat-ores went up a lot, as did dark/black and diamonds. Ores aren't particularly a common sight in Culverin shops anyway so it's hard to say. This one quest needed like 4 complete garnets and it took me weeks to even find those. things like diamonds were sold out fast. One interesting note is they mostly sold non-graded jewels as opposed to grading them themselves and hoping for high grade.


If i used a dark/black crystal, could the outcome hypothetically be weapon attack or magic attack (cuase it's random)?

Then would it be possible, if you are extremely lucky, to make a weapon attack hat?
No, not unless it were used on something that could have attack anyway (IE weapons ONLY)

[NoJobNoRules]

So the random thing only applies to a stat already existing then? Meaning you *could* get 5 STR on an overall with the perfect w/e crystal *too lazy to check* and then get another 5 STR from the black one, but you couldn't get something like INT if there was no INT to begin with? :s


I definitly am going to love this. If only we knew if Magatia is coming soon or not...I'm tempted to strip my sader almost completely and then hang onto the mesos for when this comes out, but eh...:s

[Holypie]

no, only weapons can have attack

[IsaacGS]

So the random thing only applies to a stat already existing then? Meaning you *could* get 5 STR on an overall with the perfect w/e crystal *too lazy to check* and then get another 5 STR from the black one, but you couldn't get something like INT if there was no INT to begin with? :s


I definitly am going to love this. If only we knew if Magatia is coming soon or not...I'm tempted to strip my sader almost completely and then hang onto the mesos for when this comes out, but eh...:s
No, I mean that Attack is only an option if it would have had attack on it anyway. That doesn't mean that defense or speed or jump aren't possible. It only has the possibility to add attack to weapons. It can still add anything that comes in that amount (for example a Black Crystal high grade could add 3 ACC, or a Dark Crystal high grade could add 5 int to an archer overall).

ok, let me try to explain it this way. Black Crystal can add ANY stat that the other jewels add. That means Speed, ACC, anything. HOWEVER, it does not mean you can add Attack to a hat. It may add Attack, but only if used on a weapon. Dark Crystals can add ANY stat that the other jewels add (INT/STR/DEX/LUK) and that's all.

[Holypie]

so i can make a speed hat/overall/gloves/shoes?

[mtam017]

Can I ask one thing? Can those stats stack in each forge?

Say for example, I have a +10 Dex level 50 overall, and I used 1 +5 Dex crystal, 1 +5 Str crystal and 1 +3 Jump gem, which make into a +15 Dex, + 5 Str and +3 Jump level 60 overall, right?

Then can I use another +5 Dex crystal, +5 Str crystal and +3 Jump gem to make a +20 Dex, +10 Str and +6 Jump level 70 overall?

[Holypie]

it doesn't upgrade, it forges from scratch

[mtam017]

Oh.....ok....thanks

[Cyanne]

Not necessarily. Physical class shoes are basically obsolete, yes. Class gloves have never been a huge thing, but they will still be forged. Flamekeepers are far too rare and valuable to become the core glove. Mage gloves made with this skill could easily surpass them, through availability and base stats. The availability of high base stat overalls could be seriously tempting to many people. We may very well see a change in demand, barring statless uber whores (like dexless sins). The weapons, of course, will still cause many spikes.

It'll be interesting to see what happens. I doubt we'll react identically to KMS, but it could be very similar if not worse. GMS has terrible inflation and people readily able to create it.

Yeah, I'm just saying that anything could happen.

[NoJobNoRules]

Okay, so attack is STRICTLY weapons and it is impossible to get it on anything else. That makes way more sense.

The way I read it, the ores that gave attack would only work on weapons but the black/dark were completely random(including attack). :s

[TKWizard]

Sorry for the bump but i've made a discovery while making monster crystals.

There is a small chance that you will make a monster crystal 1 grade higher than it usually should make. EG, if you are trying to made a Class A Mid Grade Monster Crystal (Lv 91-100 etc) it can come out as a Class C High Grade Monster Crystal

I have made many worthless Class C High grade crystals while trying to make the more valuable Class A Mid Grade crystals.

Also, its kinda suprising that all mid level crystals are the most expensive while all the low grade and high grade are nearly worthless. I have made nearly 600M in using Maker alone to make monster crystals (in JMS's current super inflated economy).

All good high grade Crystals net a ton of Meso also. I have sold two high grade wisdom crystals in the 1xx Million range this way, High Grade DEX crystals go for a whopping 300M each. Also, high grade diamonds seem to be rapidly decreasing in price (still 80M each though, so they're still good money.)

I have also made a 3 INT 72 atk Thorns in an attempt to make a godly nub weapon, but it broke on the 2nd 30% scroll I used. T_T.

[VictorGS]

Sorry for the bump but i've made a discovery while making monster crystals.

There is a small chance that you will make a monster crystal 1 grade higher than it usually should make. EG, if you are trying to made a Class A Mid Grade Monster Crystal (Lv 91-100 etc) it can come out as a Class C High Grade Monster Crystal

I have made many worthless Class C High grade crystals while trying to make the more valuable Class A Mid Grade crystals.

:o. He already pointed that out lol:


There is a SMALL chance that you can forge a higher quality Monster Crystal than the level range would indicate, however I have personally only had this happen when I used the skill many times in a row (Like after training, when I have 400 ETCs.) More testing needs to be done in this department.

[Noob]

i was looking for this thanks =]

[Johnnywup]

I can't wait for magatia. The skill is good, but I'd want,say, versal first. B/c im probably not gonna use it -facepalm-

[Stefire]

So can we forge the Blue Metus and it remain as a fast bow?

[TKWizard]

You can't make Blue Metus I think.

[IsaacGS]

:o. He already pointed that out lol:
It sounds to me like he's saying he got lower grade than usual. So while I only got them higher than what I should have been making, he was able to get lower. This is probably because I was forging the lowest grade monster crystals possible.

[FrozNlite]

Nice stuff Isaac. Hearing about what this does to the economy makes me, like so many others, want to stockpile ores and crystals up the wazoo for appraisal. This thread is basically our prior knowledge at a good stock that some choose to invest in; of course that's a federal crime irl, but it's nice that here it's simply an advantage ;D.

A few questions though:

1. Doesn't this whole system fundamentally screw over lukless classes and others? For example, I'm planning on resetting to lukless, and thinking of my future equips (zhelm, YWG, YSS, Dark Starlight, Maple Shield, Cape, Earrings, Ele Wand, HT Pendant, etc.), NONE of those are the BASIC equips of a class at a certain level. In other words, this maker system only benefits those that use the base equips of a class, correct? And for those of us who may be lukless but have enough luk from pendant and zhelm to wear a lvl 38 robe and lvl 40 gloves, we're STILL screwed over because you can't make those level of equips?

2. This is kind of a question off of number 1, but in the event everything I asked in the first question is true, what effects did all of that information have on jMS? Are all the old lukless Magicians now raising their luk ever so much so they can be wearing forged level 50 overalls or whatnot they can add +15 INT to the overall(in other words people choosing to raise luk by 10 to add 15 INT to an equip and get a net matk gain)? This kind of planning is stuff I'd like to be doing soon.

3. Another similar question, in a scenario-style way: so Maple Magician Shields have +2 INT and 10 slots, meaning the best shield possible is 22/30. However, can this skill be used to forge, say, a clean Esther Shield with +15 INT, so you would have a +17 INT 7 slot Esther? Then that Esther Shield's best possible stats become 31/21, an equip equal in power but better for MP gain in the long run, plus more readily available than MMShields(presumably, since you could constantly forge them rather than have to wai for events)? So in the end, in other words, are people ditching Maple Shields and shields with 10 slots for godly clean Esthers, etc.?

I think in the end my three questions can be summed up like this: What does the Maker skill and everything it entails mean for people in gMS NOW, who want to plan ahead for the future? Should we ignore buying that 12/11 YWG in the FM if in 2 months we can forge 18int clean Dark Pennances? Should we be ignoring the claims of lukless > all, dexless > all, etc., and be raising luk/dex/etc stats ever so much in order to get more benefits from this skill? What do WE have to change, in other words, in order to better prepare ourselves for utilizing the most advantageous benefits of this skill, other than stockpiling items?

Thanks for the help!

[Cyanne]

Nice stuff Isaac. Hearing about what this does to the economy makes me, like so many others, want to stockpile ores and crystals up the wazoo for appraisal. This thread is basically our prior knowledge at a good stock that some choose to invest in; of course that's a federal crime irl, but it's nice that here it's simply an advantage ;D.

A few questions though:

1. Doesn't this whole system fundamentally screw over lukless classes and others? For example, I'm planning on resetting to lukless, and thinking of my future equips (zhelm, YWG, YSS, Dark Starlight, Maple Shield, Cape, Earrings, Ele Wand, HT Pendant, etc.), NONE of those are the BASIC equips of a class at a certain level. In other words, this maker system only benefits those that use the base equips of a class, correct? And for those of us who may be lukless but have enough luk from pendant and zhelm to wear a lvl 38 robe and lvl 40 gloves, we're STILL screwed over because you can't make those level of equips?

2. This is kind of a question off of number 1, but in the event everything I asked in the first question is true, what effects did all of that information have on jMS? Are all the old lukless Magicians now raising their luk ever so much so they can be wearing forged level 50 overalls or whatnot they can add +15 INT to the overall(in other words people choosing to raise luk by 10 to add 15 INT to an equip and get a net matk gain)? This kind of planning is stuff I'd like to be doing soon.

3. Another similar question, in a scenario-style way: so Maple Magician Shields have +2 INT and 10 slots, meaning the best shield possible is 22/30. However, can this skill be used to forge, say, a clean Esther Shield with +15 INT, so you would have a +17 INT 7 slot Esther? Then that Esther Shield's best possible stats become 31/21, an equip equal in power but better for MP gain in the long run, plus more readily available than MMShields(presumably, since you could constantly forge them rather than have to wai for events)? So in the end, in other words, are people ditching Maple Shields and shields with 10 slots for godly clean Esthers, etc.?

I think in the end my three questions can be summed up like this: What does the Maker skill and everything it entails mean for people in gMS NOW, who want to plan ahead for the future? Should we ignore buying that 12/11 YWG in the FM if in 2 months we can forge 18int clean Dark Pennances? Should we be ignoring the claims of lukless > all, dexless > all, etc., and be raising luk/dex/etc stats ever so much in order to get more benefits from this skill? What do WE have to change, in other words, in order to better prepare ourselves for utilizing the most advantageous benefits of this skill, other than stockpiling items?

Thanks for the help!

I don't think maker will affect the difference between lukless and non-lukless magicians too much. Keep in mind that high-grade stat crystals are like 80mil in the korean servers, and they will probably be even higher in global, especially the luk crystals since they're required for nevas and crystal ilbis. I don't know about you, but I'm not too keen on throwing 30%s continuously at items worth over 100mil.

Luckily for me, I already have about 1bil's worth, on current market prices, of crystals stored up :D

By the way, you can't put three of the same crystal on one item, so your items won't be getting +15 int. You can get +5 int and +5 luk though, in addition to whatever a dark crystal might give you depending on your luck. Though again, that's extremely expensive; 200mil+ for the crystals alone, and that's assuming you land the dark crystal on the desired stat and that you don't blow the item up with a 30%.

[IsaacGS]

Nice stuff Isaac. Hearing about what this does to the economy makes me, like so many others, want to stockpile ores and crystals up the wazoo for appraisal. This thread is basically our prior knowledge at a good stock that some choose to invest in; of course that's a federal crime irl, but it's nice that here it's simply an advantage ;D.

A few questions though:

1. Doesn't this whole system fundamentally screw over lukless classes and others? For example, I'm planning on resetting to lukless, and thinking of my future equips (zhelm, YWG, YSS, Dark Starlight, Maple Shield, Cape, Earrings, Ele Wand, HT Pendant, etc.), NONE of those are the BASIC equips of a class at a certain level. In other words, this maker system only benefits those that use the base equips of a class, correct? And for those of us who may be lukless but have enough luk from pendant and zhelm to wear a lvl 38 robe and lvl 40 gloves, we're STILL screwed over because you can't make those level of equips?

2. This is kind of a question off of number 1, but in the event everything I asked in the first question is true, what effects did all of that information have on jMS? Are all the old lukless Magicians now raising their luk ever so much so they can be wearing forged level 50 overalls or whatnot they can add +15 INT to the overall(in other words people choosing to raise luk by 10 to add 15 INT to an equip and get a net matk gain)? This kind of planning is stuff I'd like to be doing soon.

3. Another similar question, in a scenario-style way: so Maple Magician Shields have +2 INT and 10 slots, meaning the best shield possible is 22/30. However, can this skill be used to forge, say, a clean Esther Shield with +15 INT, so you would have a +17 INT 7 slot Esther? Then that Esther Shield's best possible stats become 31/21, an equip equal in power but better for MP gain in the long run, plus more readily available than MMShields(presumably, since you could constantly forge them rather than have to wai for events)? So in the end, in other words, are people ditching Maple Shields and shields with 10 slots for godly clean Esthers, etc.?

I think in the end my three questions can be summed up like this: What does the Maker skill and everything it entails mean for people in gMS NOW, who want to plan ahead for the future? Should we ignore buying that 12/11 YWG in the FM if in 2 months we can forge 18int clean Dark Pennances? Should we be ignoring the claims of lukless > all, dexless > all, etc., and be raising luk/dex/etc stats ever so much in order to get more benefits from this skill? What do WE have to change, in other words, in order to better prepare ourselves for utilizing the most advantageous benefits of this skill, other than stockpiling items?

Thanks for the help!
Cyanne hit a lot of the main points. In fact I don't really have much to add to that. I don't know mages in JMS or KMS so I can't comment on how it's affected them. I think the idea behind this was to give regular-stat users more of an advantage on statless, but the statless classes just have way too much of an advantage in GMS already. It couldn't equal out.

[FrozNlite]

Cyanne hit a lot of the main points. In fact I don't really have much to add to that. I don't know mages in JMS or KMS so I can't comment on how it's affected them. I think the idea behind this was to give regular-stat users more of an advantage on statless, but the statless classes just have way too much of an advantage in GMS already. It couldn't equal out.

Okay thanks for the help you too. I think the thing that I forgot, which Cyanne said that pretty much killed any doubts I had, was that you can't throw 3 of the same Crystal on an equip. If that was the case I COULD see people raising luk by 10 or so, but even then, as Cyanne said, it gets so expensive that it's not even worth it.

So kewl. I continue doing what I'm doing, though just saving up Crystals now. Sounds good :D.

[Stereo]

Really though, if you do 5 int 3 luk extra on some items, you're getting up into the 5x-6x gear anyway. Might as well use it since it can be forged better.

[TKWizard]

Yeah, you can make gear as good as lv 80-90 at lv 50.

I currently have an infighter to be and hes going to be wearing a complete set of forged equipment when he hits lv 50.

[Orit]

I really really hope Nexon increases inventory size when this comes out, because I can't imagine where a NXless person would store the monster crystals and powders being collected, never mind refined and graded jewels (which could conceivably be done at the last minute).

Other than that, it looks like a great skill. Hope we get it soon.
Thanks Isaac for the explanations.

[Lozmaster]

I really really hope Nexon increases inventory size when this comes out, because I can't imagine where a NXless person would store the monster crystals and powders being collected, never mind refined and graded jewels (which could conceivably be done at the last minute).

Other than that, it looks like a great skill. Hope we get it soon.
Thanks Isaac for the explanations.

I fail to see the problem..Mules anyone?

[sunbear]

Some SS of EQ's forge with maker skill, from JMS
http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/10/15/f_UO081007094m_0d5c55c.pnghttp://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/3/10/15/f_UO081007094m_599f489.png
Using High Grade DEX and High Grade Dark crystals.
STR +3, DEX +7, WDEF -1.

http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/3/10/15/f_UO081012133m_a23aed9.jpg
Using Mid Grade Garnet (Acc), Mid Grade Amythest (Speed) and Top Stimulator.
DEX +1, WDEF +2, ACC +4.

http://img28.picoodle.com/img/img28/3/10/15/f_UO081014092m_2347003.jpg
Using High Grade DEX and High Grade STR crystals.
STR +5, DEX +5, WDEF +2.

http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/3/10/15/f_UO081014092m_56d31f9.jpg
Using Mid Grade DEX and Mid Grade Dark crystals.
DEX -1, WDEF -2.

http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/3/10/15/f_UO081006113m_569f91a.png
Using High Grade Diamond and High Grade Black crystal.
WA +3.

Edited: Thanks TK.

[TKWizard]

Actually the Green Neos gained 4 accuracy not one.

[Stereo]

Actually the Green Neos gained 4 accuracy not one.

Yeah, it's 4 acc 3 speed 2 def 1 dex >_>


I guess from that overall that Dark Crystals add +-3 +-2 +-1 to stats randomly?:f6: I mean it went +3 str +2 dex -1 def

[Orit]

I fail to see the problem..Mules anyone?

My two mules' inventory is already full. Admittedly I'm something of a packrat, and could probably clean some stuff out. But not enough for all the different colors of powders and different grades of monster crystals. Certainly not enough for refined jewels in all their different qualities.

A mule on another account is very inconvenient to transfer stuff to and from, if you don't have two computers.

Also keep in mind that these powders drop like ores, and crystals are made from etc drops. This means that unless your mule is able to actually follow your main around like a pack animal and immediately store whatever you find, your main needs enough room to hold all the types of ores AND powders the monsters in his current training spot drop, plus their etc drops (that you'd normally leave on the ground unless you need them for a quest or something), until he gets to a town.

It may be possible to do. It wouldn't be fun.

[Stereo]

I fail to see the problem..Mules anyone?

I can't log on right now:f6:So a quick run down...

Paladin - 2 rows of "permanent" untradeable items (Florina Beach ticket, etc.), 2 rows of "worth something" (Leafre seeds, untradeable CWK drops, other valuables), 3 rows of "stuff there's no room for on my mules".
DK - 2 rows free, the rest full of more similar "worth something", some ores, quest items (collect 500 dual pirate drops, etc.) which I haven't turned in
Mule - event items and rare etc. - Sabbath candles, Christmas presents, Ancient Scrolls, etc.

Mule 2 - Refined metal/jewel/crystals (mostly 20~30, though I do have 300+ Black Crystal)
Mule 3 - Unrefined ores - stuff directly transferred, it only gets refined as it hits stacks of 100

If they add... 3 new types of every ore, plus monster crystals and powders... I'm gonna have to move on to Mule 4 and Mule 5

I'll try to get a screenshot of my etc. crap once the game comes back up to get an idea of what's actually in there:f7: I know I've got at least 4 inventories full at this point, if I consolidated empty space (1-2 rows each over 5 chars).



Transferring ores to my secondary account is basically a twice a year thing, it's an absolute pain in the ass. I don't have a 2nd computer so I have to run Maple in a VM.

[Chameleonic]

I've got more than 3 mules full of crap too. I really wish we could have 5-6(or more) character per server instead of 3.

[DarkestTempest]

You can store random craps in MTS, you know.

That's where most of the ore/crystals that are worth something goes to nowadays. Plus my scrolls and spare equips that can go in MTS.

[Cyanne]

Can any kMS player tell us about the relative prices and demand for crystals, specifically the stat and dark crystals? Also, which mineral plates are in highest demand, and which types of equipment are most popularly made, if any? Thanks in advance for answering.

[blitzkrieg]

Can any kMS player tell us about the relative prices and demand for crystals, specifically the stat and dark crystals? Also, which mineral plates are in highest demand, and which types of equipment are most popularly made, if any? Thanks in advance for answering.

low grade stat crystals are like 30k each, or just dropped cause no one buys them.
medium grade dex and int crystals are about 2m each.
medium grade luk and str crystals are about 4-5m each.
medium grade dark crystals.. I can't really say. you don't see these very often.
high grade anything (except diamonds) are about 40-50m each.

I'd say the most popular equips being made are weapons and overalls. though from what I can see from talking to the korean players, a lot of them don't even know how to use the maker skill. because of this, there's not much supply of anything made directly through the skill.

as for which plates are in the highest demand.. hmm.. I'd say steel is #1 followed close by mithril. they seem to have the highest prices. about steel though, keep in mind that mushmom no longer has iron boars guarding her home, so there's fewer steel plates being made from their hooves.

[IsaacGS]

i'm reminded of the changes to the skill that occurred recently. Whenever Official KMS has its next patch, I'll go on and check it out.

[Mark]

Keep in mind that mushmom no longer has iron boars guarding her home, so there's fewer steel plates being made from their hooves.

Oh really?

So...what IS guarding her home now, and when does this change happen? :heart:

[blitzkrieg]

Oh really?

So...what IS guarding her home now, and when does this change happen? :heart:

if I remember right, there's green mushrooms now. this happened a few patches ago; a lot of victoria island was changed. for one example, there's no green mushrooms at the top of HHG1 anymore. just lots of pigs.

[Mark]

There's still two pig park maps though, so I don't see how it would inflate steel THAT much.

But it's nice to know. *Hoards steel*

[blitzkrieg]

There's still two pig park maps though, so I don't see how it would inflate steel THAT much.

But it's nice to know. *Hoards steel*

mushrooms instead of boars there too

/offtopic discussion

[Cyanne]

low grade stat crystals are like 30k each, or just dropped cause no one buys them.
medium grade dex and int crystals are about 2m each.
medium grade luk and str crystals are about 4-5m each.
medium grade dark crystals.. I can't really say. you don't see these very often.
high grade anything (except diamonds) are about 40-50m each.

I'd say the most popular equips being made are weapons and overalls. though from what I can see from talking to the korean players, a lot of them don't even know how to use the maker skill. because of this, there's not much supply of anything made directly through the skill.

as for which plates are in the highest demand.. hmm.. I'd say steel is #1 followed close by mithril. they seem to have the highest prices. about steel though, keep in mind that mushmom no longer has iron boars guarding her home, so there's fewer steel plates being made from their hooves.

Thanks for the info! I'm glad that I have huge supplies of steel, mithril, and all the stat crystals. Is the low dark crystal supply just because they're rare or because not many people are willing to take the risk with them?

[Stereo]

Is Mithril like GMS where majority are being turned into Daggers to get into Horntail? That's the only thing I can think of to drive it up.

[blitzkrieg]

Thanks for the info! I'm glad that I have huge supplies of steel, mithril, and all the stat crystals. Is the low dark crystal supply just because they're rare or because not many people are willing to take the risk with them?

well, they're definitely not rare lol. either roids or neohuroids drop them like mad and they're the main training area for everyone 5x-8x. I guess a lot of people just use them on the job advancement.


Is Mithril like GMS where majority are being turned into Daggers to get into Horntail? That's the only thing I can think of to drive it up.

yeah, pretty sure that's the main reason. but also a lot of weapons require a few mithril plates to be created. if I remember correctly, both the 90 gun and 90 knuckle require some mithril; it's possible that all level 90 weapons need it.

[Orit]

though from what I can see from talking to the korean players, a lot of them don't even know how to use the maker skill. because of this, there's not much supply of anything made directly through the skill.


Indeed. The Maker skill may end up as little-used as the current item-maker NPCs. How many people on GMS make their own equipment (when possible)? Judging by the low prices of production manuals and stimulators in MTS, and their absence from FM, I would say very very few.

[Lerk]

Indeed. The Maker skill may end up as little-used as the current item-maker NPCs. How many people on GMS make their own equipment (when possible)? Judging by the low prices of production manuals and stimulators in MTS, and their absence from FM, I would say very very few.

It doesn't help that you can forge very little top/bottom/overall/hat armour if any, gloves and shoes only go up to 80 (and usually end up inferior to SCG/BWGs and Facestompers respectively), weapons are either capped at 50 or require those incredibly rare (IIRC) dragon scales/spirits for level 110 weapons.

I feel like I'm missing something, but I can't remember what...

[IsaacGS]

Indeed. The Maker skill may end up as little-used as the current item-maker NPCs. How many people on GMS make their own equipment (when possible)? Judging by the low prices of production manuals and stimulators in MTS, and their absence from FM, I would say very very few.
There's a huge difference between Maker and the Forging NPCs, and that is the crystals. If graded jewels did not exist, then yeah, it's a totally pointless skill. However, because of this, we now have an amazing degree of customization possible. A great example I can think of is high level archer armor. HP's always a concern for high level archers. With this skill system in place, not only can we get 5 STR and 5 DEX above average on our overall, but we can also toss on a jewel for HP. Now, 30 HP may not seem like much, but if you had 30 on your overall and gloves and shoes... You can see where I'm going with this. Granted with the presence of a lot of the equips available in GMS (Bosshunter Armor, Facestompers, and so on) this may not be as useful as it is in KMS, but it's certainly going to be a great help.

The only concern is if people don't understand it in GMS as well.

[Orit]

There's a huge difference between Maker and the Forging NPCs, and that is the crystals. If graded jewels did not exist, then yeah, it's a totally pointless skill. However, because of this, we now have an amazing degree of customization possible. A great example I can think of is high level archer armor. HP's always a concern for high level archers. With this skill system in place, not only can we get 5 STR and 5 DEX above average on our overall, but we can also toss on a jewel for HP. Now, 30 HP may not seem like much, but if you had 30 on your overall and gloves and shoes... You can see where I'm going with this.

I see and I can't wait to play with it.

However, the forging is just the beginning.

Let's say you made your glove. It has + STR, + DEX, +30 HP. But no ATT. Now you start scrolling. Do you dare use 30%s or even 70%s on a glove that cost you a couple hundred millions to make? Or will you scroll conservatively with 60%s, and end up with ATT that is inferior to what you could get if you started with a supply of cheap average gloves that you didn't particularly care about breaking?

Same with the shoes (where's my speed and jump?), overall (surely you don't settle for one crystal's worth of DEX?), and so on.

If you could pile on any number of jewels and end up with a "clean" item so godly it needs no scrolling, I could see everybody using this. But when all that investment gives you an item that is still inferior (to currently available scrolled items) in certain attributes - well, we'll just have to wait and see how many people bother with it.


The only concern is if people don't understand it in GMS as well.

That, too.

[blitzkrieg]

I made a glove with the maker skill that I scrolled with 60%s and I'd say it's worth it. 6 str 7 dex 10 attack on one glove.. it's basically the equivalent of a 12 attack glove. and I only used medium grade dex and str crystals. you could also use high grade crystals and a glove stimulator and get even better results.

if anything, the maker skill will at least present a new option to people who can't afford all the high priced attack gloves.

[DragoonzMage]

Thanks you guys for all this info xD

Greetings

DragoonzMage

[Stereo]

Would those of you with a maker skill mind posting sample recipes?

eg. level 50 pirate overall = 5 magic powder (brown?) + 10 low grade C crystals.

I'm really more curious about the level 90-120 armor (glove, shoe, top/bottom/overall) but anything would be informative.

[IsaacGS]

Would those of you with a maker skill mind posting sample recipes?

eg. level 50 pirate overall = 5 magic powder (brown?) + 10 low grade C crystals.

I'm really more curious about the level 90-120 armor (glove, shoe, top/bottom/overall) but anything would be informative.
There was a list of all the required items on sleepywod by Fiel, it naturally got deleted but perhaps he can repost it. Or maybe someone who saved it can repost it. Wasn't really relevant to me in KMS since anything I needed, I could see the requirements for. XD

[KajitiSouls]

Would those of you with a maker skill mind posting sample recipes?

eg. level 50 pirate overall = 5 magic powder (brown?) + 10 low grade C crystals.

I'm really more curious about the level 90-120 armor (glove, shoe, top/bottom/overall) but anything would be informative.

There are lvl 120 armors? o.O Do show, pl0x xD

[IsaacGS]

There are lvl 120 armors? o.O Do show, pl0x xD
http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=91

[Deviant]

I remember how useless most of the Gems were when refined, it was quite a disappointment, I hope we get it soon enough, so they're not useless anymore.
Also do you need a weapon forging manual to forge the weapons? And for that matter, I hope they change the drops for stimulators so they're easier to come by.

Edit: Also 100k isnt all that bad for appraisal, considering how often diamonds drop from APQ i'd wing it.

[ChaosCorpse]

Would those of you with a maker skill mind posting sample recipes?

eg. level 50 pirate overall = 5 magic powder (brown?) + 10 low grade C crystals.

I'm really more curious about the level 90-120 armor (glove, shoe, top/bottom/overall) but anything would be informative.

Yeah, I'd really like to see it also. I'd like to think the 5k Old Neckbones I have in MTS storage will be enough to make a full lvl 110 set at least once... but I have no idea.

[MasPan]

How exactly do you find out what you need to forge things? I'm gonna want to forge sexy dark L100 warrior gear :D

Fuck that, Imma forge the 110 overall :D

[Deviant]

I've decided to start keeping an ore mule again because of this xD

Edit: also does this replace the weapon/armor crafting NPCs now, as well?

[IsaacGS]

More or less replaces them in function. They'll still be there but... They'll be pointless.

[Alloy]

More or less replaces them in function. They'll still be there but... They'll be pointless.

Actually, considering they don't need monster crystals, it's still an option... A depowered option, though...

[Stereo]

D: damn you deja vu, I swear I posted questions in here.

1) What random stats can black crystal give?
2) What random stats can dark crystal give?
3) Pretty please, someone post recipes? >_> I asked almost a month ago and nobody did yet.

[Kirov]

D: damn you deja vu, I swear I posted questions in here.

Or maybe it's because a whole days worth of posts got erased?

[IsaacGS]

D: damn you deja vu, I swear I posted questions in here.

1) What random stats can black crystal give?
2) What random stats can dark crystal give?
3) Pretty please, someone post recipes? >_> I asked almost a month ago and nobody did yet.
Black crystal gives anything the other jewels can give, with the exception of attack (unless it's a weapon), Magic Attack, and presumably HP/MP as well.

Dark Crystal gives anything the other crystals can give (STR/DEX/INT/LUK)

No one has recipes to share...

[MasPan]

I remember how useless most of the Gems were when refined, it was quite a disappointment, I hope we get it soon enough, so they're not useless anymore.
Also do you need a weapon forging manual to forge the weapons? And for that matter, I hope they change the drops for stimulators so they're easier to come by.

Edit: Also 100k isnt all that bad for appraisal, considering how often diamonds drop from APQ i'd wing it.

2h sword stim is incredibly easy to get at Firebrands (I have like 7 of them)

Edit- Can't wait to forge a 120 overall with 5 str extra, 5 dex extra, and 5 acc extra...+ any potential stat bonuses...same for shoes/gloves (yay for not using SCGs!)

Although I hear they require etc from the Time Temple, which we may not get for quite a while...guess I'll make some decent Black Neos gear first...

[Sivrat]

If it is a boss etc item, does it have a good chance of being higher quality powder? I.E. i have 200 Poisonous Mushrooms on an alt. And like 100 or so Yeti Keychains.

[Cyanne]

As far as I've seen, the the way that the "random" stats that black and dark crystals give works is similar to the way a chaos scroll works in that some stats may be subtracted or added, restricted to the type of crystal. This seems kind of exploitable to me though since there are a lot of weapons out there with only weapon attack or only weapon attack and another black crystal stat. Any kMS player want to confirm? You could try taking a look at black crystal prices in the FM. Hopefully kMS hasn't had jump quest hackers running around like in global.

[Management]

So, can the skill be used on Timeless Weapons?

Let's say you fully level a Timeless Weapon and want to get awesome stats on it. Can you use the Maker Skill with 3 High Grade Crystals to get another 9 Attack and THEN scroll it using scrolls?

[IsaacGS]

So, can the skill be used on Timeless Weapons?

Let's say you fully level a Timeless Weapon and want to get awesome stats on it. Can you use the Maker Skill with 3 High Grade Crystals to get another 9 Attack and THEN scroll it using scrolls?
No, maker skill literally MAKES things from materials. IE, you'd have to use Maker to create it before you could equip it and level it or scroll it.

[Jeffoface]

hmm i got a question

maker skill got 3 lvls

to lvl it you need to do the quest for it right?

isaac said lvl 75 and 105

what happens when we are 120+?
can we still lvl up the skill or no?

[FelixTM]

hmm i got a question

maker skill got 3 lvls

to lvl it you need to do the quest for it right?

isaac said lvl 75 and 105

what happens when we are 120+?
can we still lvl up the skill or no?

Of course you still can. They are quests that become available at that level and to anyone over that level (like how most quests are).

[Alloy]

Of course you still can. They are quests that become available at that level and to anyone over that level (like how most quests are).

I think you misunderstood the question.

Let's see, to forge a weapon, you need to be at least 5 levels below it. HOWEVER, to forge lv 80, 90, and 100 stuff... You need to have the lv 2 skill. That is, making the lv 75 quest to upgrade it.

Same goes for the lv 110 and above, with the lv 105 quest for the lv 3 skill. Since it's all the lv 110 and above, there's no need to upgrade again. At least for now.

This is how it works, apparently. Not knowing first hand, so anyone feel free to correct me.

[KajitiSouls]

I think you misunderstood the question.

Let's see, to forge a weapon, you need to be at least 5 levels below it. HOWEVER, to forge lv 80, 90, and 100 stuff... You need to have the lv 2 skill. That is, making the lv 75 quest to upgrade it.

Same goes for the lv 110 and above, with the lv 105 quest for the lv 3 skill. Since it's all the lv 110 and above, there's no need to upgrade again. At least for now.

This is how it works, apparently. Not knowing first hand, so anyone feel free to correct me.

That would be the assumed design. Hard to know for certain if there's not a lot of equips beyond lvl 120 though (and the elemental staves fall under the "gach" category?).

[IsaacGS]

I think you misunderstood the question.

Let's see, to forge a weapon, you need to be at least 5 levels below it. HOWEVER, to forge lv 80, 90, and 100 stuff... You need to have the lv 2 skill. That is, making the lv 75 quest to upgrade it.

Same goes for the lv 110 and above, with the lv 105 quest for the lv 3 skill. Since it's all the lv 110 and above, there's no need to upgrade again. At least for now.

This is how it works, apparently. Not knowing first hand, so anyone feel free to correct me.
This is correct.

[Erich]

Is the JMS special recepee thing for earrings the only special one?

[Greg22]

Alright, I'm way too lazy to look through this whole thread for an answer I probably won't find, so here's a quick question to you, Isaac.

Apparently, Item Maker doesn't work with common items, so would this make things like Sauna Robes or common top+bottom statgivers less practical? Could Item Maker really create class-specific equipment that would "out-stat" something like a 15 stat top + 15 stat bottom combination?

[Stereo]

Lucida top is 9 stats, so str+dex high level crystals would make it 19 stats clean (potentially 30+ stats on the top alone)

So yeah.

[IsaacGS]

Alright, I'm way too lazy to look through this whole thread for an answer I probably won't find, so here's a quick question to you, Isaac.

Apparently, Item Maker doesn't work with common items, so would this make things like Sauna Robes or common top+bottom statgivers less practical? Could Item Maker really create class-specific equipment that would "out-stat" something like a 15 stat top + 15 stat bottom combination?
well, Saunas and bath robes will still have their place (you can't make any equips below 50, so you could use a bathrobe from 20-50.) but yes, it should be pretty easy for most classes to beat out the average Sauna.

[lord farkuad]

now i have a question, what grade jewel do you need for a level 70 weapon? like low grade A or so on.

[Cyanne]

Does anyone know how the equipment dismantling system works? I'd imagine it ignores all effects on the item before dismantling, so could you perhaps toss 10%s on equipment, and if they don't work, dismantle them and make them again?

Also, is there a maker recipe database out there somewhere? It's been released for quite a while in kMS and jMS, and I'm sure the Hidden Street would have a database of recipes within a few months of its release in global. Shouldn't there be some Korean or Japanese equivalent out there, especially considering that both those versions are supposed to be a lot more popular than global?


now i have a question, what grade jewel do you need for a level 70 weapon? like low grade A or so on.

I believe you need low-grade monster crystal As to make level 70 items.

[singularity]

Also, is there a maker recipe database out there somewhere? It's been released for quite a while in kMS and jMS, and I'm sure the Hidden Street would have a database of recipes within a few months of its release in global. Shouldn't there be some Korean or Japanese equivalent out there, especially considering that both those versions are supposed to be a lot more popular than global?Fiel made a thread on Sleepywood a long time ago that was basically an item maker 'recipe' database. But obviously, that was lost when he changed all his posts to advertise Southperry after he made this site and then the subsequent deletion of his Sleepywood account.

Let's all beg Fiel to repost it? :wink:

[Cyanne]

I asked him, but he said he doesn't have time.

[WingZero]

I asked him, but he said he doesn't have time.
:f4:

It would have been great since I could get a head start on gathering all the items I need.

[Eos]

I asked him, but he said he doesn't have time.

I can post these, but Fiel is right that they're time consuming to translate into English and make understandable.

Link to post (http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?p=118720)

[RickRolls]

What items do you need for the maker quest? I want to get the items now, before the prices for whatever you need increases tenfold.

[KajitiSouls]

What items do you need for the maker quest? I want to get the items now, before the prices for whatever you need increases tenfold.
For level 1 Maker skill, apparently you just talk to NPCs.

For the rest of the levels, Isaac isn't that high yet, so we'll have to have someone else tell us that.

[Eos]

For level 1 Maker skill, apparently you just talk to NPCs.

For the rest of the levels, Isaac isn't that high yet, so we'll have to have someone else tell us that.

2nd Teaching of Mullen
1 Mid Monster Crystal C - You can refine these with just Level 1 apparently?
3rd Teaching of Mullen
Paper with writing - Unclear on this, six gold, two steel.

[KajitiSouls]

2nd Teaching of Mullen
1 Mid Monster Crystal C - You can refine these with just Level 1 apparently?
3rd Teaching of Mullen
Paper with writing - Unclear on this, six gold, two steel.
Isaac mentioned a chance of getting a better Monster Crystal outcome if you refined enough etc items. So I'd say it's possible. Looks like this is going to be very annoying.

EDIT: At least until people break the 2nd Maker skill barrier xD

[Chameleonic]

Isaac when you say Black Crystal and Dark Crystal add a Random stat...what happens when you use these on a Weapon?

Will you only get Attack...or will you have a chance of getting Hp or Avoid or some other useless unwanted effect?

[IsaacGS]

Isaac when you say Black Crystal and Dark Crystal add a Random stat...what happens when you use these on a Weapon?

Will you only get Attack...or will you have a chance of getting Hp or Avoid or some other useless unwanted effect?
Black Crystals might possibly give weapon attack, but it's far from assured. Dark Crystals would not be able to give attack.

[ZachAttack]

Read all 11 pages. I'm astounded by this skill.

I wonder when it's coming out. I'm both excited and fearful, for the sheer awesomeness (PLUS I HAVE BEEN SAVING ORES SINCE MAPLE EVER STARTED :DD) and the sheer possibilities it could have on the economy.

Honestly, I look forward to it the most because it will make pirate equips way more common, specifically knuckles.

My questions are:

FIRST
In this thread
http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6757

She says, for example, that the White Fangz knuckle needs "Mid B 28." I know she says it needs 4 mithrils, but what does she mean but Mid B 28? Does that mean you need 28 Mid B's to create that weapon, and then you can use ores on it over that? I think I get it.
So to make a White Fangz, I'd need 4 Mithrils, 28 Mid B crystals, and then if I wanted I could put a diamond and str crystal (Because it says it has 2 jewel slots).

How intriguing.

SECOND
if I forged 20 crystals to get high/mid/low
would the ratio roughly be
14:5:1
low:mid:high ?

Or would it be more like
17:2:1

Or perhaps
11:8:1


just to give me an idea.

[Eos]

FIRST

So to make a White Fangz, I'd need 4 Mithrils, 28 Mid B crystals, and then if I wanted I could put a diamond and str crystal (Because it says it has 2 jewel slots).


Correct.

Your #2 came out a bit garbled though because you're mixing terms.
I believe you're referring to grading jewels & crystals? Monster Crystals themselves are forged into levels based on the levels of mob etcs supplied, with a slight chance of getting better ones. I don't think anyone's got an exact ratio for how frequently a monster crystal comes out exceptional, or how often crystals and jewels grade at each level.

[NoJobNoRules]

Zach, it is something like you described.

Low is the most common.

Middle is uncommon.

High is rare.

I'm referring to the gems/jewels/plates. It could be like that, but it really is a guessing game. It is all based on luck - you could land 5 high ones in a row, for example.

[ZachAttack]

Correct.

Your #2 came out a bit garbled though because you're mixing terms.
I believe you're referring to grading jewels & crystals? Monster Crystals themselves are forged into levels based on the levels of mob etcs supplied, with a slight chance of getting better ones. I don't think anyone's got an exact ratio for how frequently a monster crystal comes out exceptional, or how often crystals and jewels grade at each level.

Yes, I meant jewel grades, sorry. It was late last night xD.

Alright, so no definite ratio as of now. That's good, that's good, I'll have to run a few test runs when it comes out then.
All my ores in the 5 mules I have filled with them will finally come in handy!

[Holypie]

can a black crystal give attack on an armor?

[Eos]

can a black crystal give attack on an armor?

According to JMS, no. Both black and dark crystals effect STR, INT, DEX and LUK according to the following chart:

Crystal|Low Range|High Range|
Low Black|-1|1|
Mid Black|-2|2|
High Black|-3|3|
Low Dark|-2|2|
Mid Dark|-3|3|
High Dark|-5|5|


I'm aware this is slightly different from Isaac's explanation of the dark and black, so either one of is wrong, or it's implemented differently between versions.

To answer the root of your question - Only sapphires and diamonds are restricted to weapons.

[IsaacGS]

According to JMS, no. Both black and dark crystals effect STR, INT, DEX and LUK according to the following chart:

Crystal|Low Range|High Range|
Low Black|-1|1|
Mid Black|-2|2|
High Black|-3|3|
Low Dark|-2|2|
Mid Dark|-3|3|
High Dark|-5|5|


I'm aware this is slightly different from Isaac's explanation of the dark and black, so either one of is wrong, or it's implemented differently between versions.

To answer the root of your question - Only sapphires and diamonds are restricted to weapons.
I'll go with your description because mine has a much more tenuous source. Does seem to make Black Crystals rather worthless though when you can get a low dark much easier than a mid Black.

[Eos]

I'll go with your description because mine has a much more tenuous source. Does seem to make Black Crystals rather worthless though when you can get a low dark much easier than a mid Black.

My translating isn't perfect, but one of the differences between them seems to be that one of them can only modify stats that already exist, or that would be added by other crystals in the recipe.

That would add a bit more differentiation to it, but the passage on that is pretty ambiguous.

[Chinson]

How do i access the skill?

[Orit]

How do i access the skill?

Read the first post in the thread.

The skill is not (yet) available in GMS.

When it becomes available, there will be a quest for acquiring it (described in Isaac's post).
Once you have acquired it, I assume it will be in your skillbook ('k' key), and you can activate it by double-clicking on it there or (more commonly done) by assigning it to a key on your keyboard.

[Chinson]

Im in JMS, where there is the maker skill. I did the quest, but its not in my skill menu.

[DeanNim]

Im in JMS, where there is the maker skill. I did the quest, but its not in my skill menu.

JMS has the maker skill alr? weird :shine:

[Eos]

Im in JMS, where there is the maker skill. I did the quest, but its not in my skill menu.

It's in your beginner skills.

[Chinson]

Thats the problem, its not there though i talked to cody, then to hueges then to cody again.

[Eos]

Thats the problem, its not there though i talked to cody, then to hueges then to cody again.

Did he give you a skill book you have to "use" to learn the skill, perhaps?
*** Edit below.

wait, nm, i see what's wrong. Isaac only covered the first bit of what you do to get Maker.
you have to go the president of Jenumist to get the skill still.

Then I believe you have to answer a series of three questions who's answers have already been supplied by cody, hughes and the Jenumist.

[Chinson]

Thanks. Where is the president?

[Shinryuji]

Thanks. Where is the president?

i think its the wizard-like guy on the left side of town in that one building

either that or it's someone else

[TKWizard]

Talk to Stan, Carson, and Hughes to get Maker lv 1. Its that simple..

You need two lv 71-80 Monster Crystals for Maker lv 2.

[IsaacGS]

Yeah, I had to go get this on my windreaver the other day and was confused as to who to talk to as well. I meant to add Carson then but I forgot. :x Added now though.

[ChaosCorpse]

Another thing I just thought of. Since I know I won't have the ingredients to make my items right when this comes out, I'm gonna try and sell off my Wisdom and Monster Crystals in the FM ASAP.

So the question is:

For making the Monster Crystals, does it matter what level of the skill you have in respect to the level of the monster drop? For example, is it possible to turn lvl 111-120 drops into Monster Crystals with the lvl 1 skill?

[Eos]

For making the Monster Crystals, does it matter what level of the skill you have in respect to the level of the monster drop? For example, is it possible to turn lvl 111-120 drops into Monster Crystals with the lvl 1 skill?

As I understand it:

Level 1 can only make the three low grade crystals
Level 2 adds the ability to make the three mid grade crystals
Level 3 adds the ability to make the three high grade crystals

Sometimes a crystal will jump a grade though, so even level 1 can occassionally spew out a level 2 crystal if you were going for a high level 1 and it upgrades to a low level 2.

[IsaacGS]

As I understand it:

Level 1 can only make the three low grade crystals
Level 2 adds the ability to make the three mid grade crystals
Level 3 adds the ability to make the three high grade crystals

Sometimes a crystal will jump a grade though, so even level 1 can occassionally spew out a level 2 crystal if you were going for a high level 1 and it upgrades to a low level 2.
Yeah, this seems to be the case for me too. I get a crystal that's a grade higher than it's supposed to be about 10% of the time.

[Stereo]

Hmm, I guess if I want 30 mid grade As I should plan for ~3500 etc. >_> (10pants+10top+10shoes, plus weapons are 30 each).

[pilowman]

I have a question for you guys, which ore do you think will be worth the most?

I'm planning to stuck up on Black crystals Diamonds Topaz ores and maybe garnets?

The other crystals are much more rare and won't be worth stucking up IMO :f7:

[Chameleonic]

Ores will be pretty worthless once the SW/elinia JQ botters release the ten of thousands they have stocked up, I wouldnt buy any the way the current state of play is.

[Eos]

Ores will be pretty worthless once the SW/elinia JQ botters release the ten of thousands they have stocked up, I wouldnt buy any the way the current state of play is.

Actually you can't JQ for the stat ores - Wisdom, Luck, Dex, Power & Dark.
Those will be the ones worth the most anyway.

If they weren't achievable through botting, Diamond, Sapphire and the Black crystals would be the highest value.

Even after the botting, it's the graded crystals, particularly high ones, that will have the most value, not the plain ordinary ones.

Also - most of those botters arent stocking up - They're NPCing them in the Sauna.

[pilowman]

Actually you can't JQ for the stat ores - Wisdom, Luck, Dex, Power & Dark.
Those will be the ones worth the most anyway.

If they weren't achievable through botting, Diamond, Sapphire and the Black crystals would be the highest value.

Even after the botting, it's the graded crystals, particularly high ones, that will have the most value, not the plain ordinary ones.

Also - most of those botters arent stocking up - They're NPCing them in the Sauna.

Judging by the looks of it, diamonds won't be worth much, it's the black crystals I'm worried about.

I think they will be worth more than the Dark Crystals, since if you use them on a weapon you can get random WA and you can't with Dark Crystals -.-.

Diamonds are only useable on a weapon, and you can only craft average weapons +3 attack with a perfect diamond, you can find a better weapon off a monster ...

Think of it, what's the average attack of a scarab, 34/35 right?,37/38 scarabs aren't worth much anyway :f6:

The diamonds MIGHT be useful for the level 120/110 weapons, since those aren't in a huge supply, but other than that they would be pretty useless...

BRB off to STDs, gotta stock up on DEX crystals :glitter:

[Eos]

Judging by the looks of it, diamonds won't be worth much, it's the black crystals I'm worried about.

I think they will be worth more than the Dark Crystals, since if you use them on a weapon you can get random WA and you can't with Dark Crystals -.-.



We're actually unclear on the truth of that - According to the JMS sites Black & Dark crystals both only randomize str/dex/luk/int just on different scales.

Haven't found any reliable sources that indicate anything other than a diamond and sapphire can raise wattack or mattack.

[MasPan]

After Aesilyn's post, I'm a bit skeptical about using black/dark crystals, due to the same issues as with using a stimulator. While they have a chance of adding quite a bit of useful stats, the -5 possibility of a high grade dark crystal is quite daunting...

[SakumaErada]

Looks at the 1.2k Diamonds in his Inv. o.O;;; I should hope diamonds will still be in ample Demand mostly thinking about high lvl wpns and claws for sins since they enjoy tryin to make godly claws for the wpn atk whores that they are <3

[Alloy]

Looks at the 1.2k Diamonds in his Inv. o.O;;; I should hope diamonds will still be in ample Demand mostly thinking about high lvl wpns and claws for sins since they enjoy tryin to make godly claws for the wpn atk whores that they are <3

I'm a hermit, and I'm not really a attack whore... D:

Then again, I'm a weirdo... :(

[IsaacGS]

After Aesilyn's post, I'm a bit skeptical about using black/dark crystals, due to the same issues as with using a stimulator. While they have a chance of adding quite a bit of useful stats, the -5 possibility of a high grade dark crystal is quite daunting...
You would think, though, if they could subtract stats then it would be, you know, something worth mentioning in the item description. "+5 random stat" is sort of misleading if it really means "+ -5".

[Eos]

You would think, though, if they could subtract stats then it would be, you know, something worth mentioning in the item description. "+5 random stat" is sort of misleading if it really means "+ -5".

What description?

[IsaacGS]

What description?
The description that shows up in game. O_o It could be bad translation or whatever but I don't see any reference to removing stats.

[Eos]

The description that shows up in game. O_o It could be bad translation or whatever but I don't see any reference to removing stats.

Doesn't it generally take them months to years to update descriptions to include notable details like that?

I'm noting GMS still doesn't even identify elemental attributes on wands/staves, or the effects of a scroll of warmth and/or spikes.

For that matter chaos scrolls aren't too clear on what they do either.
I think they like ambiguity.

[Cyanne]

Hm, good to know I wasn't daydreaming when I said that black/dark crystals worked like chaos scrolls O.o

[Eos]

Hm, good to know I wasn't daydreaming when I said that black/dark crystals worked like chaos scrolls O.o

Yep, that was definitely how i translated it.

It even included the bit about one or both of them having to already have the attribute before it can modify it.

[ItzTaylor]

How much do Ores, and Graded Ores go for in KMS right now?

[MasPan]

Have you tried throwing a dark, power, dex, luk, and int crystal together to see if it makes a secret crystal? That'd be my guess to make it, and a use for non-recipe forging.

[Obike]

Doesn't it generally take them months to years to update descriptions to include notable details like that?

I'm noting GMS still doesn't even identify elemental attributes on wands/staves, or the effects of a scroll of warmth and/or spikes.

For that matter chaos scrolls aren't too clear on what they do either.
I think they like ambiguity.

Maple's actually not too bad about ambiguous stats on items. . . I don't know how popular Final Fantasy XI would be here, but my brother used to play it and apparently they have items that either have ENORMOUS positive or ENORMOUS negative stats on items that just aren't mentioned in its text. Sort of like having a level 120 weapon that just says a weapon type, name, attack speed, and w.att, without mentioning that it gives an elemental status to all attacks, +50 Str/Dex/Int/Luk, -1000 monster w.def, drains on hit, stuns 95% of the time, has a chance to summon Ifrit when attacking, chance to cast magic guard when being attacked, and 25% chance to not lose a slot when scrolling an item and the scroll fails. Now, obviously the stats are drastically glorified for my example, but some items really have ridiculously important/useful stats hidden! Some items have some stats shown and others hidden as well. Now if such an item did exist, what are the chances that people would discover EVERY ability such an item had to offer? Assuming of course their data files weren't such fail. Anyways, point being that other games like ambiguity too =P

[Amai]

Sorry If this is an old post i arrived on this thread aimlessly and a question still keep in my mind:
I've read all 13 pages and i saw you can't put three same Grade Jewel on an item, but what about Weapons ?
Tell me which is the right thing:
-I can put three High Grade Diamonds on a Red Craven (50 WA avg)=>59 WA after creating, supposing that +9 WA by High grade.
-I can't put three same Level Grade Diamonds so it'll be something like, with the same example, 50 WA =>(3+2+1=6) 56 WA; by different level.

Thanks for the thread IsaacGS.
And good job to you, eos367 and Cyanne for all clairly explanations.