Maple Story's real problem.

[Cheez]

Why is the economy so bad? Why are things the way they are? We have lots of things to blame, but we're also missing one thing... Many other games and RPGs have this factor in it but it's surprisingly absent from Maplestory.

You can kill a slime and get a sapphire ore.

You could kill... I dunno, a blue mushmom for a sapphire ore too.

But you can only ever really get one, And you have the same chance of finding one on both.

That's right, Maplestory lacks any scaling of drop rewards. Sure, we get a few more mesos as we go along, but those are barely worth anything to the player for the majority of the game. But while you can get a teensy bit more mesos the farther up the monster chain you go, what you get for a kill remains just as pitiful as always. ores, stars, and scrolls come to mind when considering the lack of increased drop rate or amount.

[Chompy]

Scaling?
The mesos and the equips scale great!
Only the ores do not.
And the pots...:f7:
But the Valuable things like equips scale fine....
Well scrolls don't-
But only bosses drop stuff in reasonable quantities anyway.

[IsaacGS]

Maker skill helps to give ores a bit more value and usefulness. Look for that to help balance the ores in the economy.

[Cheez]

I'm finding it hard enough to get ores as it is, and you want them to be harder to get?


Scaling?
The mesos and the equips scale great!
Only the ores do not.
And the pots...:f7:
But the Valuable things like equips scale fine....
Well scrolls don't-
But only bosses drop stuff in reasonable quantities anyway. I said nothing of equips. I said stars. But equips do have some problems. The pink hat from cold eyes. WAT

And yeah, potions suck, and they don't drop more than one at a time. ultra-low-end pots are too common in the levels where you'd find no use for them.

[Fiel]

I don't view low-end pots as a potion, though, I view it as an extra meso drop. Plus, if I get a white pot, I can always sell it easily for 250 a pop in the FM to lower leveled players.

[Berzerk]

I've noticed this too. Probably the main reason I'm done with this game is because of the unstable economy. Claw for att 30% are 20m+ in Bellocan. WHAT!? That's crazy. Overall Int and Luk were around 15m last time I checked. I mean, I kill a snail a get 6 mesos. Wtf is up with that? 6/15,000,000, that sounds fun to work for, and even then it could fail. I would train with my meso mag on, and I'd barely break even with pot money. Stupid!

It's to hard to make money in this game, and then with rising prices it's not worth my time anymore. It's not fun sitting around worrying what equips you have, and how you can make them better. It's retarded, maybe they should sell 60%'s from an NPC. It'd sure as hell make the economy so much more stable. Say 60%'s were 6m, that's a good price for most, right? Maybe even lower but still. Say they were, you get a 60% claw attack, I'm sure you could easily sell it for 5.5m. At least they have a definite price, and don't have to worry about saving up 15m for a 60% Overall Luk. ._.

Sure, this would piss people off but after they're done bitching, it'd be a much funner game. I don't know, I guess it's a shitty example but I'm tired of worrying about my damage, and not having enough mesos to buy what I want. I'm also not going to invest all my money on buying Gacha to make mesos, no. I just won't.

[Roxas]

This is, also the reason why I quit the official servers. Even staying above 5m mesos was hard for me, especially since my first character was a hermit(I didn't know it was gonna be this expensive). In the end, I just gave up on training and funding my hermit and start playing PSes

[Stereo]

]Yeah, it'd be nice if it got easier to find scrolls as you leveled up. As far as I can tell, the odds are about the same on everything from Pigs to Skelegons, the only difference is that a couple of the lowest monsters (Slimes and maybe Red Snails) have higher equip drop rates >_>

[bored4ever86]

Cheez - he meant that ores would have more importance so they would become more prevalent in the marketplace (more value = more people willing to spend the time to not npc them and actually sell them)

As to the general idea on not scaling drops [equips] - true some drops aren't scaled very well but then again see what general lvls of each class can train on any given monster and you'll sell that maybe cold eyes were intended as a monster for warriors to train on (though it wouldn't really work in that lvl range) but then again you have to have some stuff drop from monsters that wouldn't neccessarily be used by that char or others that lvl or there'd be no reason for various lvls to interact with eachother (if once you hit a certain lvl [40 for example] you move up in the ranks of monsters and since you already sold your last gear and nothing under lvl 45/48 drops then theres no reason to interact with anyone under lvl 45/48 because no one prebuys equips anymore

as to the idea of npc sold scrolls - sure the idea is great on paper but think about the way nexon gets money, nx clothes, x2/fixing stuff (resets), and GACHA people buy gacha to either get stuff cheap (maybe get that +2 atk pac you need) or strike it rich
If you limit the possible gains by gacha then less people will go out and buy the tickets, true most gacha stuff isn't worth it but still it has enough worth to get people buying em

I'd personally love to have npc scrolls and gacha stuff sold for decent prices but then again if it was then whats to stop people from stopping gacha-ing all together and nexon losing out on millions of dollars? then again the economy could go completly kaput and everything would deflate and maple would go boom

[Gabe]

i'm gonna say the same thing i always do... (i'm like a broken record by now)

2 years ago, i found more drops training in ant tunnel 1 for half hour than i do now training for 3. and it's because nexon geared the game towards "if you don't spend, you're screwed" territory. in my humble opinion, they lowered the drop rate to make people buy 2x drop cards as a necessity rather than a luxury, they don't lower the experience rate 'cause everyone knows what exp does X monster gives by now and there would be an mutiny or something.

[Cheez]

Cheez - he meant that ores would have more importance so they would become more prevalent in the marketplace (more value = more people willing to spend the time to not npc them and actually sell them) They'd still have an increase in price.


What we really SHOULD be able to do is take apart equipment into its base pieces, or at least some of it. If they won't drop more or better ores, at least let us get something from what would've normally been used for nothing.

[Hero]

There's plenty of ways to make money. Gacha is just for people that are either too lazy, dumb or just spoiled. Same for mesobuyers, although they usually aren't legit to begin with so they don't really care.

Yes, the economy is somewhat screwed up. But you can either nudge your butt into it and get used to it, or sit somewhere being broke and complaining about it.

[Derimed]

Cheez:

The economy is just fine, to Nexon at least. That's the difference between a fee-driven game, such as WoW and a pay-to-play game such as Maple Story. Nexon has a product, (Maple,) which it tweaks in ways that generate it more and more profit. They ran out of major ways to make money long ago.

So now, they unbalance the game increasingly with the aim of further increasing their profits. 2x cards were unnecessary but a huge source of profit. (Though some might counter-argue that the sped-up XP is necessary to properly enjoy Maple.) Marriages were mostly worthless until APQ, which through Onyx Apples completely changed the game. Dark Scrolls redefined what is considered godly. White scrolls again redefined what is considered godly. iTCG, through SC gloves, C. Ilbies, Facestompers, etc., redefined what is considered godly. And now, Chaos Scrolls have done so again.

If you really think about it, NONE of the stuff I just listed was ever necessary. All it's really done was bring profit to Nexon. And its introduction was not to bring fun to the players, but to make them spend. This content's impact on the actual gamers is irrelevant to Nexon so long as they continue to spend.

Hero: Don't assume all Gachers are lazy or spoiled. I personally did Gach because I was severely uncomfortable at going to a person with a 15 million meso scroll and buying it from him for 3 million, while actively misrepresenting that scroll's price as 3 mil. Merchanting gets a lot of mesos, but it's not for everyone. Had I stayed on Maple, I would have gotten money from APQ, but accumulating a fortune through apples takes a long time, and is fairly boring.

[Cheez]

Dark Scrolls redefined what is considered godly.
Dark scrolls drop, so that point means zip.

[kleptophobia]

Dark scrolls drop? I've never gotten one... and I hunted at wolf-spiders, and other NLC monsters for quite some time. I'll take your word for it though ~_~ But dark scrolls do not drop from the vast majority of monsters and therefore the main supply is from Gachapon.

[Derimed]

Dark scrolls drop, so that point means zip.

That's really bad logic. If you calculate everything about a dark scroll, each 30% has a 35% chance to nuke your item (30% success combined with a 35% chance for item to survive if failed leaves 35% destruction rate,) and each 70% scroll has a 15% chance to nuke your item, (70% success combined with a 15% chance to survive leaves a 15% destruction rate.)

That means that a lot of the time you're scrolling, you'll have to start from scratch... which means a lot of dropped dark scrolls needed and less resale profits from your failures. For example, if you're collecting Earring Dex at Himes, well, you might stay there for about 30 levels before you actually scroll an 11 dex earring from the scrolls you hunted. Also, remind me again where in the game I can find a Shield MA 30 or a Shield WA 30? Most of the good dark scrolls are gach only.

If you Gach, none of this is an issue; hence the increased incentive to waste your money on Gach once dark scrolls came out.

[Dusk]

Dark scrolls need to drop from a lot more monsters. Something that is that integral to upgrading equips and in such high demand should not be only available from Gachapon. It completely screws up supply and demand.

[IsaacGS]

Dark scrolls need to drop from a lot more monsters. Something that is that integral to upgrading equips and in such high demand should not be only available from Gachapon. It completely screws up supply and demand.
I actually disagree, it's practically impossible to find 60% scrolls now. I go to the FM, and go through every single shop, and I see dark scrolls after dark scrolls. I'll be lucky to see a dozen different 60%'s, and god knows how long it's been since I've seen a 10%. All I want is to finish scrolling my shoes for jump without the chance of them blowing up, but there's no non-dark scrolls to be found.

[Nikkey]

There's plenty of ways to make money. Gacha is just for people that are either too lazy, dumb or just spoiled. Same for mesobuyers, although they usually aren't legit to begin with so they don't really care.

Yes, the economy is somewhat screwed up. But you can either nudge your butt into it and get used to it, or sit somewhere being broke and complaining about it.

I don't consider myself as a lazy, nor dumb guy because I see the potential of selling scrolls for 40 mill each by getting them, then rebuy them for 4 mill a month later on.

Also, heh, the price of 10 bucks? In Norway, that equals one beer less when you're out partying.

[Russt]

Scrolls in general need to drop a lot more. In the beginning of MS, scrolled equips were a luxury, not a necessity like they are now, so it was okay if they're rare. Now it's pretty much a given that you need scrolled items to be on par with everyone else, so the average player needs more ways to get them.

But why would they do such a thing? Due to the current prices, many people have to resort to gach or MTS to afford equips (more profit for Nexon) or merchant and inflate everything more, causing even more people to have to resort to gach or MTS to afford equips.

It's a self-feeding loop, and Nexon likes the way it's turned out.

[Milelke]

Complain, thats all we ever do >_>.

I hate when people complain about money, or drop rates.

The drop rates are like that for a reason.
And dont start with nexon "scheme" to make us buy 2x Drop becuase
1. We didnt always have 2x Anything
2. For most things (besides ores), 2x Drop wont do much for you.

If an item has a 0.10% of dropping, then it only goes up to a .20% chance, whic in reality isnt that much, yes, you have a better chance of getting the item, but barely.

And stop whining about money, wahhhh, i cant get more than 5 mil :(, please do you know how hard it is to get a mil? much less 2, I only have 2 mil, and im getting along quite fine, infact i could get along fine at 200k.
And i dont gacha and i rarely merchant.


Scrolls >_>.
Yes theyre drop rate could be higher, but why do I care for scrolls besides trying to sell them? Im going to get another weapon soon, so its just wasted money to me, yes i could sell the scrolled item, but what profit am i REALLY going to gt, all my money goes to pots, equips and some other stuff.



But in a general opinion- Yes, the drop rate for most things could be a little higher.

[IsaacGS]

Complain, thats all we ever do >_>.

I hate when people complain about money, or drop rates.

The drop rates are like that for a reason.
And dont start with nexon "scheme" to make us buy 2x Drop becuase
1. We didnt always have 2x Anything
2. For most things (besides ores), 2x Drop wont do much for you.

If an item has a 0.10% of dropping, then it only goes up to a .20% chance, whic in reality isnt that much, yes, you have a better chance of getting the item, but barely.

And stop whining about money, wahhhh, i cant get more than 5 mil :(, please do you know how hard it is to get a mil? much less 2, I only have 2 mil, and im getting along quite fine, infact i could get along fine at 200k.
And i dont gacha and i rarely merchant.


Scrolls >_>.
Yes theyre drop rate could be higher, but why do I care for scrolls besides trying to sell them? Im going to get another weapon soon, so its just wasted money to me, yes i could sell the scrolled item, but what profit am i REALLY going to gt, all my money goes to pots, equips and some other stuff.



But in a general opinion- Yes, the drop rate for most things could be a little higher.
Of course you can get along just fine at level 57 with 200k, but my HP potions alone cost more than that. And those last for an hour, maybe two? I certainly wouldn't earn enough to cover them just from ETCs and Meso bags. Maybe if I get an NPCable equip I'll be able to recoup my losses, but that's just a chance, and equip drops (especially in Leafre, it seems) are quite rare. I can't count on getting one every hour to cover my potion costs. I would have gone broke quite a few times if it weren't for Amoria PQ, where I can at earn an apple a day to stave death away.

[Wani]

I actually disagree, it's practically impossible to find 60% scrolls now. I go to the FM, and go through every single shop, and I see dark scrolls after dark scrolls. I'll be lucky to see a dozen different 60%'s, and god knows how long it's been since I've seen a 10%. All I want is to finish scrolling my shoes for jump without the chance of them blowing up, but there's no non-dark scrolls to be found.

I'd say this is more because of people whoring Zipangu gach. More monsters do need to drop dark scrolls, but they also need to drop regular scrolls more commonly, and better scrolls at that. 10% crossbow atk from skeles = fail.

[Chompy]

I'd say this is more because of people whoring Zipangu gach. More monsters do need to drop dark scrolls, but they also need to drop regular scrolls more commonly, and better scrolls at that. 10% crossbow atk from skeles = fail.
I think HIGHER level monsters should just have an increased scroll drop rate.
Like for every 1 10% xbow you got 5~9... It would be much much better.

[BlueAnus]

What the thread starter said should really be two threads. About monster drop scales and the economy.

Monster drop scales are fine, thats not a problem, it all comes in little steps.

The economy is something completely different and cannot be understood as 1 statement. Look at the government, they can control aspects of the economy but they cannot control it entirely. They are like nexon, they can control aspects, but not it entirely.

Whenever Nexon implemented the MTS they changed the economy from a meso based, to nx and meso based. As more and more people are throwing real dollars into this game, they are inflating the economy, creating mesos out of thin air and lowering the value of every meso already in game.

Nexon is basing their success on revenue and profits. Yes, they are a for-profit business, they care about the well being of game enough to make them money. They are allowed to do it, and as long as people are having to spend more and more real dollars in game to keep up with in game practices, they arnt going to change a thing.

So for now, this inflation is good for nexon, not us. But as soon as things get better us meso wise, something new will come and bring the inflation back.

[Cardboardsnail]

Of course you can get along just fine at level 57 with 200k, but my HP potions alone cost more than that. And those last for an hour, maybe two? I certainly wouldn't earn enough to cover them just from ETCs and Meso bags. Maybe if I get an NPCable equip I'll be able to recoup my losses, but that's just a chance, and equip drops (especially in Leafre, it seems) are quite rare. I can't count on getting one every hour to cover my potion costs. I would have gone broke quite a few times if it weren't for Amoria PQ, where I can at earn an apple a day to stave death away.

But at your level, you make far more than him

[Chameleonic]

Complain, thats all we ever do >_>.

I hate when people complain about money, or drop rates.

The drop rates are like that for a reason.
And dont start with nexon "scheme" to make us buy 2x Drop becuase
1. We didnt always have 2x Anything
2. For most things (besides ores), 2x Drop wont do much for you.

If an item has a 0.10% of dropping, then it only goes up to a .20% chance, whic in reality isnt that much, yes, you have a better chance of getting the item, but barely.

And stop whining about money, wahhhh, i cant get more than 5 mil :(, please do you know how hard it is to get a mil? much less 2, I only have 2 mil, and im getting along quite fine, infact i could get along fine at 200k.
And i dont gacha and i rarely merchant.


Scrolls >_>.
Yes theyre drop rate could be higher, but why do I care for scrolls besides trying to sell them? Im going to get another weapon soon, so its just wasted money to me, yes i could sell the scrolled item, but what profit am i REALLY going to gt, all my money goes to pots, equips and some other stuff.



But in a general opinion- Yes, the drop rate for most things could be a little higher.

I have been training at Cornians for the past 3 months or so looking for Frostprey 20 skill book (well over 400 hours). I am lucky to get 1 drop a day in the 3-4 hours I play.

I have got 2 Mana Reflections in that time, no other skillbooks, 0 scrolls, 0 Dragon Scale/Dragon Spirit and I still havent found a Blue Marine...tell me thats a good droprate.

I can then go to a low leveled area and find 3 equips in 10 minutes. It seem the drop rate decreases as the monster level goes up.

[Cheez]

Monster drop scales are fine, thats not a problem, it all comes in little steps. So you see no problem in coolie zombies droping blue and white pots, as well as... I think 10% bottomwear for def.

[MonkyMagic]

I'd say this is more because of people whoring Zipangu gach. More monsters do need to drop dark scrolls, but they also need to drop regular scrolls more commonly, and better scrolls at that. 10% crossbow atk from skeles = fail.

Better then that, cape for weapon def from skele.

I agree, the drop rate needs to be higher, or drops that are actually worth something. As an arch mage i dont make meso back unless i find drops that are actually worth something. (For example boomerang step 20 from skele. But i have never found one of those in 30 levels at skele). For me i cant make meso just training, i need to Market just to have pot money at times.

[Stereo]

Yeah, all of Leafre (at least in Global) has awful droprates.

I was finding an average of about ~12 equips a level at Dual Pirates (upwards of 20 on some levels), that dropped to 4-5 at Red Wyverns with maybe 7 at best. Considering there's a +10~20 level gap there (in terms of character level), the fact that Wyverns give 2x as much exp each is balanced out, and they're just dropping way less items. I can easily go 20% at Wyverns and not see a single thing except etc. pieces, ores (Dex Crystals are not so bad), and Mana Elixirs/Unagis.



I have an extensive log of every drop I've found since level 50 (1100+ equipment and scrolls), and Cold Eyes were the best so far, at about a 1 in 400 chance of an equip drop. Red Wyverns clock in at something like 1 in 2000.

[Kigaz]

Yeah, all of Leafre (at least in Global) has awful droprates.

I was finding an average of about ~12 equips a level at Dual Pirates (upwards of 20 on some levels), that dropped to 4-5 at Red Wyverns with maybe 7 at best. Considering there's a +10~20 level gap there (in terms of character level), the fact that Wyverns give 2x as much exp each is balanced out, and they're just dropping way less items. I can easily go 20% at Wyverns and not see a single thing except etc. pieces, ores (Dex Crystals are not so bad), and Mana Elixirs/Unagis.



I have an extensive log of every drop I've found since level 50 (1100+ equipment and scrolls), and Cold Eyes were the best so far, at about a 1 in 400 chance of an equip drop. Red Wyverns clock in at something like 1 in 2000.

i've found probably less than 10 equips total from skeles since leafre came out.
Lets see, i remember one day i found like 3 equips in one day (i was like "wtf..") but i rarely do find equips..
anyway i only get pot money from zakking.
i dont see zakking as anything more than a job. its a job required for my potions for my survival!
im pretty sure 99% of people who zak see zak as a business and as a job.

[Stereo]

Lol, I didn't know Zakum was profitable... I lose about 800k per time I go.

[Harrisonized]

Dark scrolls drop? I've never gotten one... and I hunted at wolf-spiders, and other NLC monsters for quite some time. I'll take your word for it though ~_~ But dark scrolls do not drop from the vast majority of monsters and therefore the main supply is from Gachapon.
Haha, if you notice in my Wolf Spider Guide, I posted the pictures of me finding both scrolls. They were totally unexpected and I never found them again. It's been 10 months since I began grinding at spiders, or 30 levels, from 100~130. Which means two scrolls in ten months, you might as well sell something in the MTS and gach one. LoL.

On a side note, the two other dark scrolls I have found... both were at Showa, when I found a 70% shield def from a mob when Meteoing it for the purse, and the other was found passing by looking for Anego.


Yeah, all of Leafre (at least in Global) has awful droprates.
About the droprate, I think it's fine. When Nexon implemented Leafre and it's Lv 100 weapon drop, they really only decided that they wanted to make them drop from Horntail only. However, they added a VERY tiny droprate at the other monsters just as a, maybe a privilege, I guess. I don't really know their true intentions, but that should be the case, seeing that the Lv 100 weapons have such low droprates. I remember when Zakum was this way, and the Lv 90 weapons were difficult to find.

The problem with that system is that the higher levels monopolize the economy, being the only ones able to obtain the equipment. That is the real problem.


Dark scrolls need to drop from a lot more monsters. Something that is that integral to upgrading equips and in such high demand should not be only available from Gachapon. It completely screws up supply and demand.
The other problem is that there are too many gachers, imbalancing what is considered decent equipment today. To counter that, Nexon should implement a NEW gach that gives off only 60%/10% scrolls. (Not sleepywood gach). These 60%/10% should be the counterparts of the 70% scrolls without the 60% form, such as Helmet INT and Helmet DEX, or Shield MA (Yea, it has a 60% but there are barely any in the market). That way, Nexon can both rebalance the market and profit off of it. (LoL, double win, right?) I don't think that making the droprate any higher will benefit Nexon so they won't implement that.

The game itself isn't the problem, and neither are the gachers. You can just go grinding at spiders. I'm pretty sure anyone who can 1 or 2hko spiders can go hunt at a pretty decent rate, probably even better than my rate. I'm still misting and I hardly ever have trouble affording my pots, or even scrolling my equipment. Why should anyone else have trouble? They should be killing at the same rate right?

Bishops shouldn't be complaining about pots either because they can just sell leech. -_-"

[Tikey]

The GMS economy isn't so bad as people make it to be. Heck, the scrolls in JMS cost about 10x as much as they do in GMS right now. I'm actually glad about our scroll prices after being on JMS for a few days.

[Lana♥]

^ everything in Japan is more expensive :<

I don't really think jms should be compared to gms though.

[Gearfree]

The GMS economy isn't so bad as people make it to be. Heck, the scrolls in JMS cost about 10x as much as they do in GMS right now. I'm actually glad about our scroll prices after being on JMS for a few days.
^ everything in Japan is more expensive :<

I don't really think jms should be compared to gms though.
Well, JMS has its reasons for being more expensive, primarily the age, but also due to how script users(hackers, scripties) are punished.
I'm somewhat sure that when Pokgai was banned he took the majority of bow scrolls from the JMS he played on.

I myself have been trying to return from a semi-hiatus and and surprised by the jumps I'm hearing occurred over the past six or so months.

[Pockles]

There's plenty of ways to make money. Gacha is just for people that are either too lazy, dumb or just spoiled. Same for mesobuyers, although they usually aren't legit to begin with so they don't really care.

Yes, the economy is somewhat screwed up. But you can either nudge your butt into it and get used to it, or sit somewhere being broke and complaining about it.

way to share information and be helpful :f6:

[BlueAnus]

So you see no problem in coolie zombies droping blue and white pots, as well as... I think 10% bottomwear for def.

with the pots, I view it as warriors and mages. Warriors dont have enough mp to use much else other than blue pots and mages dont have enough hp to use more than white pots. Thats just the way I see it.

And it seems that for scrolls, they are all mostly random. With scrolls, that does suck, Im wrong.

[Lana♥]

Well, JMS has its reasons for being more expensive, primarily the age, but also due to how script users(hackers, scripties) are punished.
I'm somewhat sure that when Pokgai was banned he took the majority of bow scrolls from the JMS he played on.

I myself have been trying to return from a semi-hiatus and and surprised by the jumps I'm hearing occurred over the past six or so months.

I was talking about the actual country Japan when saying everything was expensive :wink:

ahaha Pokgai. That interview or w/e he made when he got banned was entertaining :shine:

[Stereo]

with the pots, I view it as warriors and mages. Warriors dont have enough mp to use much else other than blue pots and mages dont have enough hp to use more than white pots. Thats just the way I see it.

By level 50 Warriors can use Mana Elixirs, and with the new NLC pots hardly anyone uses white pots (pizzas = 900 hp 600 mp for 1k, I think)

[BlueAnus]

We didnt always have those pizzas.

It just shows how outdated nexon can be.