What do you think about anti-bot monsters?

[Combattente]

As title, what do you think about anti-bot monsters?

Should they be implemented on GMS? Would they affect somehow people's training?

I personally would like having them implemented, because I think it's funny dropping something on an "altar" or clicking on a NPC to make the anti bot monster killable, then killing it.

Do you think NEXON will ever implement them on GMS? The last time the Anti-bot Witch of El Nath was implemented for a mistake.. but that doesn't mean they're going to implement those soon. We have the platforms where we can drop the Zombie teeth to make the Zombie maps' anti-bot monster killable, but we still don't have the anti-bot monster itself..

[Acim]

I sort of do, sort of don't. I don't because there are hardly any botters any more, and with all Nexon's mess ups and glitches, they may autoban you or disrupt your training. But I do because it will catch whoever's left for botting, and it'll be fun to kill. But seriously, implementing it at skelegons will piss off Bishops, etc. And they can't put them on every single map...

[IsaacGS]

We don't really need them but we probably will get them because they're in the monster book.

[Combattente]

I sort of do, sort of don't. I don't because there are hardly any botters any more, and with all Nexon's mess ups and glitches, they may autoban you or disrupt your training. But I do because it will catch whoever's left for botting, and it'll be fun to kill. But seriously, implementing it at skelegons will piss off Bishops, etc. And they can't put them on every single map...

Well, actually they're not on every single map on KMS. They are just in some of the "most populated" maps, like the Wraith place, Zombies place, etc.

[Sn1perJohnE]

We don't really need them but we probably will get them because they're in the monster book.

thats interesting that theyre there, itd be funny trying to collect the cards for them.

[Combattente]

thats interesting that theyre there, itd be funny trying to collect the cards for them.

It'd be funny to collect Pink Bean's card, too.

Yeah, there's Pink Bean in the Monster Book. Lols.

[Rei]

They're not in the maps that need them now.
Like most of the Ludi maps. o_o
And that one Birk map.

But otherwise they're pretty cool, and I would like to stumble on one every once in a while.
[:

[Retalion]

It would slow down people's training and some people would complain about it "hindering" their "grinding".

That being said, MS has given us the freedom of not having them there and they've been abused at times. I think maplers have no one to blame but themselves as a group for this (I know its mostly the meso farmers/hackers who are at fault but... yeah >_>).

[IsaacGS]

Really, the bot-catching monsters aren't so annoying. IF they are there, though they usually aren't, they appear as soon as you kill the first monster. If you attack indiscriminately then yeah, you'll probably get sent back. It announces when they spawn in blue text, like Snowman, so if it does spawn you'll know it. As soon as you see the blue text, just go through with the procedure and continue training. From that point on the botcatching monster just becomes a normal mob.

Also, they spawn in sparsely populated maps. The last map of Wraiths on both ends, the second map from El Nath and the map of all pangs, KFT (Lol). The only place that it might be annoying is STDs, and there's still dozens of people botting there in KMS so it must not be that annoying. >_>

They are all over the place in Magatia however that town is so popular I rarely see them. In fact, I've never seen the Security Camera monster, I don't even know where it spawns.

[Sinnuendo]

They are all over the place in Magatia however that town is so popular I rarely see them. In fact, I've never seen the Security Camera monster, I don't even know where it spawns.

I've seen that test tube thing at B-3 three times now. >>

[Mira]

I don't mind Bot-catching monsters. They don't affect me. I would want them if Monster Book came, though.

[IsaacGS]

I've seen that test tube thing at B-3 three times now. >>
Hmm... I've seen that one at Iron Mutae twice, and Mithril mutae about 18 times (because I hunted for it there) but other than that, I don't see it often. Never seen it at Roids, that's for sure.

[aznegglover]

They'll prob help breakup the monotony of grinding

Of course, you'll have some idiots running around logging tickets about how getting rid of it wastes 2 minutes of their oh-so-precious training time.

[»-Chris->]

I wouldn't mind some of them in GMS. Seem kind of fun. =P

[Corn]

Hackers/botters don't really exist anymore...

[bored4ever86]

Hackers/botters don't really exist anymore...

where have you been? theres hackers all over (albeit not as many as before *cough*xent*cough*) but yeah still a big problem in my mind...

And drop gamers/scammers are growing in numbers lately....

[Corn]

where have you been? theres hackers all over (albeit not as many as before *cough*xent*cough*) but yeah still a big problem in my mind...

And drop gamers/scammers are growing in numbers lately....

Oh, I meant

Hackers/botters don't really exist in the places anti-bot monsters are.

I mean I haven't really seen any in the Coolies map.

Either that or I'm just plain blind.

[Tamekii]

They are completly useless for me,since no one hacks in the map they added it =)

Whats the point to hack on,hmmm,that El nath map where the queen respawn?
With a good hack,you can train in another place =)

So,they are COMPLETLY USELESS =D

[Chompy]

They are completly useless for me,since no one hacks in the map they added it =)

Whats the point to hack on,hmmm,that El nath map where the queen respawn?
With a good hack,you can train in another place =)

So,they are COMPLETLY USELESS =D
Imma back that Idea.
...
If I am a botter-
and I have half a brain-
I would just NOT bot on that map.
I'd go somewhere no one trains too.
I remember Back in the beggining of the year I was looking around drakes being dumb..
And on one of the latter maps
EVERY CHANNEL had hackers.-One tried to mob kill me. Thank god for Door.
But really... I don't see too many either- for now.:f6:

[IsaacGS]

Once again, not to stop hackers. It's to stop botters. And no, apparently they aren't smart enough to find other maps because almost all the maps they bot on have bot-catching monsters. It doesn't even stop them any more, they're that advanced.

[Corn]

Once again, not to stop hackers. It's to stop botters. And no, apparently they aren't smart enough to find other maps because almost all the maps they bot on have bot-catching monsters. It doesn't even stop them any more, they're that advanced.

Since when have you seen a botter that's not a hacker (besides the FM mules and autoclickers)?

[Blankout]

I'd like them, but I'm pretty sure somebody's gonna go, "hay wut dis??" *attack*

Attacking anti-bot monsters return you to the nearest town, right? I'm not so sure.

[IsaacGS]

Since when have you seen a botter that's not a hacker (besides the FM mules and autoclickers)?
They were made for KMS, where botting is a problem. Not for GMS, where no one bots. >_>

I'd like them, but I'm pretty sure somebody's gonna go, "hay wut dis??" *attack*

Attacking anti-bot monsters return you to the nearest town, right? I'm not so sure.
yeah. well, it sends you to a safe map. For example, if you hit Shade at Wraiths, then it sends you to the entrance of the subway (where Bell to go to NLC is). You'll know what happens after that though, eh?

[Blankout]

So does everyone in KMS know how to get rid of the anti-bot monsters?

[IsaacGS]

Yeah, it's not terribly complicated. They pretty much just come in three varieties:
1. Talk to an NPC - Disables the return to town skill and enables the monster to be killed.
2. Drop an ETC on the tomb - Disables the return to town skill and enables the monster to be killed.
3. Destroy a reactor - Use regular attacks to destroy a reactor, which will either kill the monster outright, or disable the return to town skill and enable the monster to be killed.

if it's an NPC, you'll see it on the minimap as soon as you enter. If it's an ETC one, then you'll see that structure and you can hover your mouse over it to find out what item you need (usually an ETC from the monsters that spawn naturally in the map). If it's a reactor, you can just see that, they're usually very large.

[Blankout]

Yeah, it's not terribly complicated. They pretty much just come in three varieties:
1. Talk to an NPC - Disables the return to town skill and enables the monster to be killed.
2. Drop an ETC on the tomb - Disables the return to town skill and enables the monster to be killed.
3. Destroy a reactor - Use regular attacks to destroy a reactor, which will either kill the monster outright, or disable the return to town skill and enable the monster to be killed.

if it's an NPC, you'll see it on the minimap as soon as you enter. If it's an ETC one, then you'll see that structure and you can hover your mouse over it to find out what item you need (usually an ETC from the monsters that spawn naturally in the map). If it's a reactor, you can just see that, they're usually very large.

But how would a newbie know that you kill them this way? Is there an NPC that teaches you?

[IsaacGS]

But how would a newbie know that you kill them this way? Is there an NPC that teaches you?
As I said, hover your mouse over the reactor/shrine and it'll give a short little description, like the boogie destroyer at Land of wild boar. If you can't figure it out from that then you have no hope. Also whenever they are released they usually do a notice on that version's website explaining how to get rid of it. Besides, all of them are 40-60, if you haven't heard of it in 40 levels then you really are in trouble.XD

[Blankout]

As I said, hover your mouse over the reactor/shrine and it'll give a short little description, like the boogie destroyer at Land of wild boar. If you can't figure it out from that then you have no hope. Also whenever they are released they usually do a notice on that version's website explaining how to get rid of it. Besides, all of them are 40-60, if you haven't heard of it in 40 levels then you really are in trouble.XD

Ah...I see. Do these guys give experience or have any drops? (I don't think anyone's said anything about this...right?)

[Cardboardsnail]

Ah...I see. Do these guys give experience or have any drops? (I don't think anyone's said anything about this...right?)

No drops and no xp AFAIK

[Blankout]

No drops and no xp AFAIK

Oh. That sucks. No point in hunting them then, except for monster book.

[IsaacGS]

No drops and no xp AFAIK
They do give EXP and they have their own ETC drops, however I don't think they drop equips or scrolls.

[Blankout]

They do give EXP and they have their own ETC drops, however I don't think they drop equips or scrolls.

...gooood exp?

[IsaacGS]

...gooood exp?
Slightly higher than the average monster on that map, yeah. Think of it as a little EXP boost to make up for the inconvenience of eliminating it.

[Blankout]

Slightly higher than the average monster on that map, yeah. Think of it as a little EXP boost to make up for the inconvenience of eliminating it.

Ah that's nice. Does that mean the bot-catching monsters are as strong as the surrounding monsters?

[Germ]

From what I see, the hacking in MS has really died down. We don't really need them, but, Nexon is notorious for adding useless things.

[Rayquaza2233]

Do they have elements? Are there any affected by heal?

[Worthyness]

Bot catchers are nearly useless now... no one vaccs anymore (that i can see at least)

I doubt they were meant to be killed on purpose...

[IsaacGS]

Do they have elements? Are there any affected by heal?
Only lich is undead, but does it really matter whether they have elements or not? They only appear one at a time.

You guys should just check the page on strategywiki about bot-catching monsters. It explains in general what they do and in detail how to get rid of each one.
http://strategywiki.org/wiki/MapleStory/Monsters/Bot-Catching

[Bacon]

I'd much rather Nexon "implement" something where if you spam a skill in place for too long, you won't be able to use that skill unless you move around a little bit. I think a few Bishops have had this happen to them and I'm pretty sure that's it's already implemented. Just lower the amount of attacks someone can do in the same spot to something like 50 or so.

That should simplify things.

[Taiketo]

What you're talking about, Bacon, has been in MS as long as I can remember. Hacks easily ignore it though...

[Tamekii]

Once again, not to stop hackers. It's to stop botters. And no, apparently they aren't smart enough to find other maps because almost all the maps they bot on have bot-catching monsters. It doesn't even stop them any more, they're that advanced.

Bots?:O
Sorry but that UBER PRO ROBOTs are hard these days...
The one i saw (a chinese bot),was not too good and i've never saw someone using it...

Its just pointless =)

Why someone will bot on a untrained map?its obvious you will not hack at Voodoos,Hoodoos and that FULL Places,but,if i was a botter/hacker,i'd prefer to train legit instead of training in that maps =)

[Bacon]

What you're talking about, Bacon, has been in MS as long as I can remember. Hacks easily ignore it though...
There is a difference between just a botter and a hacker. I know it's been a part of Maple Story for a long time, but I'm sure they can tweak it a little to take place of the current bot catching system. However, if these new monsters drop one of a kind items, then I'll be singing a different tune. I'm just a lazy bum and would rather not go through the trouble of getting rid of the bot catching monster. I'd feel really sorry for those people training at Coolies who accidentally bump into one. Walking from Nath all the way to Zombies isn't exactly fun.

[Tamekii]

I heard on *Insert h4x0r1ng forum name* here,that MapleAdmins give you a warn/ban (idk,a window pops up) o.o'



EDIT: Got a screen from *Insert h4x0r1ng forum name* D:

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/486/lmaoyr3.jpg

[IsaacGS]

There is a difference between just a botter and a hacker. I know it's been a part of Maple Story for a long time, but I'm sure they can tweak it a little to take place of the current bot catching system. However, if these new monsters drop one of a kind items, then I'll be singing a different tune. I'm just a lazy bum and would rather not go through the trouble of getting rid of the bot catching monster. I'd feel really sorry for those people training at Coolies who accidentally bump into one. Walking from Nath all the way to Zombies isn't exactly fun.
If you touch them, you just take touch damage. They can even miss. However, in order to get sent back to town, you have to actually attack it. It will then use an unavoidable magic skill on you that warps you back.

Actually, I heard that the Lich only sends you out of the zombie area to the last White Fang map, at the safe area near the portal. I'm not sure on that, though, and that would mean you'd be taking cold damage still.

[Tamekii]

They still useless for me D:

Just to warp you to the city?I prefer that thing they have on jMS (the thing we got in Aqua Road buggy patch)...Ill post a pic D:


EDIT: Got it =)

Its the Lie detect0r =)
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/6903/02190000qk5.png

[Judgment]

They still useless for me D:

Just to warp you to the city?I prefer that thing they have on jMS (the thing we got in Aqua Road buggy patch)...Ill post a pic D:


EDIT: Got it =)

Its the Lie detect0r =)
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/6903/02190000qk5.png

I'm pretty sure Global had this when Aqua Road first came out, but it was taken out quickly due to the amount of abuse with it. (And if they still had those, then there would be people doing stupid things such as using those to kick people out or get people killed at places like V/Hoodoo, Skeles, STDs, etc.)

[IsaacGS]

They still useless for me D:

Just to warp you to the city?I prefer that thing they have on jMS (the thing we got in Aqua Road buggy patch)...Ill post a pic D:


EDIT: Got it =)

Its the Lie detect0r =)
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/6903/02190000qk5.png
they have Lie Detectors in KMS too, it's not like these two things are mutually exclusive. However, there are even bots that can solve these things. Korean bots are ridiculous.

[Tamekii]

they have Lie Detectors in KMS too, it's not like these two things are mutually exclusive. However, there are even bots that can solve these things. Korean bots are ridiculous.

But what you mean by Korean Botters,that botters that makes Robots and something using C++ and something?f6

I saw a Taiwanese(was it Chinese or Taiwanase?w/e,I DONT CARE :D) Bot and it wasnt a 'perfect' robot,and it got unused in gMS =O...

The botters you mean,is like this?

There's a lot of Bot types (^^)

[IsaacGS]

I'm not a bot expert, i don't know. O_o

[Spadow]

A lot of people in KMS are botters, mainly of them are Priests/Bishops, i'm not sure if they can bypass the Lie Detector system.

They bot at some ridiculous places such as in the hideout of Samiho or a Hogul-only area, Magatia (botters at Site)

The bot-catching monsters are not only one cleaning up, players can report them through the Lie Detector.

[Rain]

They are a good idea, but they are also really annoying. I'm not looking forward to all of the bot monsters coming out though.

[aslemn]

GMS shouldn't release them.
They are annoying,especially when leveling a low level character on their map.
Like leveling a 4x pirate on Iron Mutaes,then a Lulumo comes and you take like 10 mins to kill it >.<
I just hate them ._.

[kleptophobia]

[Aren't Taiwanese Chinese? D:]

Anyways, I believe bot catching monsters should be added, but not activated until we have a serious amount of hackers (like during the PG hack days). Right now we're getting decent amounts of GG updates, and they are not necessary.

Another thing I've noticed, is that they've switched from trying to detect bots (with GG) to just trying to stop there usefulness (anti-botting monsters). This may be due to the fact that using a simple GUI/input library one could covertly inject keys right into Windows... I don't know if bot makers have become more skilled, or if Nexon is smarting up and switching to a universal and less intrusive solution.

[IsaacGS]

GMS shouldn't release them.
They are annoying,especially when leveling a low level character on their map.
Like leveling a 4x pirate on Iron Mutaes,then a Lulumo comes and you take like 10 mins to kill it >.<
I just hate them ._.
I never had trouble with Rurumos. O_o I used to hunt them for fun while I was 4x.

[Taiketo]

I want them. More monsters to collect cards from is a good thing.

<_>

[Hero]

I don't know too much about them, but as long as they don't send me back to town when I have to take a poo somewhere I'm fine.

Although that's probably exactly what they're for. Or something.

...
:f4:

[aslemn]

well,isaac,you are a infighter,so,you can hit a decent amount of damage on it.
i was trying to train at mutaes with my 40 gunslinger,took me 10 mins to kill it.(gunslinger's damage is so low,i did like 70/70 in each double fire on it x.x)