What character is the strongest?

[MrSoyMilk]

All jobs at lv 200, (shadowers NOT considering meso explosion), all jobs have perfect equips, ie all timeless weapons perfectly scrolled, NLs have all balanced furies (infinite), corsairs have best bullets (infinite), BMs and MMs have best arrows (infinite), etc.

What is the strongest job of all?

In other words, ASSUMING INFINITE healing potions (MP and HP ONLY, no buff potions, no apples, etc, only using their own skills, no party skills from OTHER PPL) over AN HOUR of continuous attacking (please DO consider skill cool-downs), which job will do the most damage over that hour? (also assume the monster has infinite hp, has 0 avoid, has 0 def and magic def)

If you state a job, please specify also if it is secondary-statless or whatever it is.

This, hopefully, is a fun thread to discuss lol.

[Dusk]

what are we attacking here

and lol shadowers not counting ME. You realize that Shadowers do more damage with Boomerang Step and Savage Blow than ME, right?

[MrSoyMilk]

a hypothetical monster that doesn't attack you. it just has a bunch of hp and 0 def and mdef. requires 0 acc to hit.

[Dusk]

Corsairs by far

(you've presented the best possible scenario for Corsairs)

[Cyanne]

If solo, an mp-washed bowmaster I guess, longest needed buffs and basically no 100-attack limit. Though it'll probably actually be like a corsair or something.

[Stereo]

Corsairs ideal target is a non-attacking enemy, at which they do more damage than every other class by a wide margin, so ... corsair.

[kingdj333]

i bandwagon and say...... White Knights.
wait a minute! :f6:

[USMC]

^That's so true, I just hope this hypothetical monster is at least neutral(elemental weakness? wtf r u talking about?)

[Corn]

Does the monster attack?

[randompeep]

Does the monster attack?


a hypothetical monster that doesn't attack you. it just has a bunch of hp and 0 def and mdef. requires 0 acc to hit.
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[Corn]

-snip-

Ah. Didn't see his other post X_X.

[CarrionCrow]

Being strongest... That's not enough information. Highest damage per hit, fastest dps, the range of the attack, and a myriad of other factors play in.
It not even about dps... if you simply aim to sawk a bishop for the duration of your 4th job i guess the big numbers and such might be important, but if you intend to actually play, versatility is where the real power lay. Being able to dish out the highest damage to mobs make you a mage, and their single target ability is mediocre. If you wan't huge damage on a single target, you are a BM or a NL, and loose out on strong mobbing. Avenger is usefull and not that weak, but it can't even begin to compete against say a polearmer DrK or a MM.
Personally I'd say Marksmen and Corsairs win as the most versatile characters, and ergo imo the most powerfull. HP is not even an issue if you don't crave to fight P bean. If so, heroes would be your best bet.

[Corn]

Being strongest... That's not enough information. Highest damage per hit, fastest dps, the range of the attack, and a myriad of other factors play in.
It not even about dps... if you simply aim to sawk a bishop for the duration of your 4th job i guess the big numbers and such might be important, but if you intend to actually play, versatility is where the real power lay. Being able to dish out the highest damage to mobs make you a mage, and their single target ability is mediocre. If you wan't huge damage on a single target, you are a BM or a NL, and loose out on strong mobbing. Avenger is usefull and not that weak, but it can't even begin to compete against say a polearmer DrK or a MM.
Personally I'd say Marksmen and Corsairs win as the most versatile characters, and ergo imo the most powerfull. HP is not even an issue if you don't crave to fight P bean. If so, heroes would be your best bet.

Look at the situation he posted.

[KhainiWest]

I'm actually talking with my friends to make me a 'private' private server and get some people to help me create a 'matrix' like they have available on world of warcraft where it keeps track of the DPM.

[fiftyschmooo]

Wow.. why as no one posted this link.....
http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7019
he made a thread and a giant excel spreadsheet about this, how about you look around for stuff before posting about it not like it was stickied or anything.. oh wait.. yes it was ^_^ and his chart clearly states that a corsair will win in this situation and he even adds in the 4 second snipe from Marksmen(even tho i hear all the time its glitched and wont work every 4 seconds more liek 5-7 seconds or something)

[Holypie]

Single target, Corsair. Mobbing, Arch Mage or Aran.

[Takebacker]

It's silly to think the aran has worse mob damage than an AM if there's 15 targets right in front of them.

[CarrionCrow]

Look at the situation he posted.

Yea.. might have been a tad off topic then, but still I'm getting tired of how people tend to think damage is all it takes in every sitution.

[Holypie]

It's silly to think the aran has worse mob damage than an AM if there's 15 targets right in front of them.

I said AM OR Aran.

[IllegallySane]

In this thread we find out who don't pay full attention reading posts.


It's silly to think the aran has worse mob damage than an AM if there's 15 targets right in front of them.

How often are there going to be 15 monster perfectly lined up for the Aran to mow down? How often are there going to be 15 mobs scattered around within the AM's range of fire? That's why he said EITHER AM or Aran. It's not often the Aran will have 15 mobs right in front of them, but when they do, I wouldn't be surprised if the Aran wipes them out faster than an AM can. Case in point? Combo Peril can probably be built up from 0-100 by the time the AM finishes nuking once, which is essentially a guaranteed mob killer for the Aran.

[Corn]

Uh guys, he's only talking about one monster.

I'm glad I'm not the only one not paying attention to things.

[KaidaTan]

Why does it matter who the best class is in a situation that doesn't exist? Do you want to see who can kill Anego the fastest?

[Takebacker]

I said AM OR Aran.

Why is it either or? You're either the strongest or you're not.

[/sarcasm because i can tell right now no one will pick up on it]

It's clearly logical to think this because if it's logical to think that corsairs are the strongest 1v1 on a snail with billions of HP and no defense, then it's logical to think that arans are the strongest in mobs when there's 15 snails with billions of HP and no defense.

See where i'm going here?


In this thread we find out who don't pay full attention reading posts.

Indeed we do.


How often are there going to be 15 monster perfectly lined up for the Aran to mow down? How often are there going to be 15 mobs scattered around within the AM's range of fire? That's why he said EITHER AM or Aran. It's not often the Aran will have 15 mobs right in front of them, but when they do, I wouldn't be surprised if the Aran wipes them out faster than an AM can. Case in point? Combo Peril can probably be built up from 0-100 by the time the AM finishes nuking once, which is essentially a guaranteed mob killer for the Aran.

Never. How often is there going to be a snail with billions of HP and no defense and can't attack you?

I said it before, combo peril sucks (until someone can prove me wrong with math).


Uh guys, he's only talking about one monster.

I'm glad I'm not the only one not paying attention to things.

(I'm assuming you're including me in this statement) Tell that to holypie. :goggle:

[KhainiWest]

You're computer savy, think it be possible to create a program that records how much damage they do over let's say 10minute time frame?

[kingdj333]

We can all say the numbers point to Corsiars. Than Nightlords, than BMs.

[Kaasoljoyyx]

Based on your description, Blaze wiz, Hermit, and F/P Mage will do most damage.

Infinite HP / 40 = Infinite HP done per second

In all seriousness though, Corsair --> BM --> MM (For this situation) (Hero/DRK might pass MM in this situation)

Only reason BM > MM is because snipe caps out at 200k and depending on the stats, BM slowly gets stronger than MM.

NL is near the bottom because they don't have SE (For this situation)

tl;dr: Look at the stickies for the Top DPS thread.

[MadAyukawa]

Against a non-boss monster like Big Puff Daddy, BM > MM > Corsair > NL.

This is due to Mortal Blow kicking in when monster HP drops below 50% (assume HP is maxed at 2.1 billion)

[Takebacker]

Against a non-boss monster like Big Puff Daddy, BM > MM > Corsair > NL.

This is due to Mortal Blow kicking in when monster HP drops below 50% (assume HP is maxed at 2.1 billion)

Snipe kills all non boss monsters, so by your logic, MM > BM > corsair > NL.

[Russt]

I don't think either one can deal more than 250k damage without the server complaining, though.

Maybe MB can, actually. But it won't count as 100% your kill, if I remember correctly.

[USMC]

This belongs to fun house, I enjoy reading all the smart comments.

[Cancambo]

Based on your description, Blaze wiz, Hermit, and F/P Mage will do most damage.

Infinite HP / 40 = Infinite HP done per second

In all seriousness though, Corsair --> BM --> MM (For this situation) (Hero/DRK might pass MM in this situation)

Only reason BM > MM is because snipe caps out at 200k and depending on the stats, BM slowly gets stronger than MM.

NL is near the bottom because they don't have SE (For this situation)

tl;dr: Look at the stickies for the Top DPS thread.

Doesn't poison have a maximum DPS after HP reaches a certain point?

[MasPan]

Snipe kills all non boss monsters, so by your logic, MM > BM > corsair > NL.



To the limit of 250k. Anything with more than a few mil HP but is non-boss can be webbed for massive damage, so

NL > MM > BM > Sair

Excepting monsters with lesser amounts of HP.

[Desolate]

IF we are looking at the Main attack i think Corsairs win and NL come in second.

the rest piles up on its own. It is tough to figure out but who ever attacks faster and also how long it takes to kill. If you are talking about using apples NL win with something that takes 15 min not ten minutes to kill.

its not that easy to just say that has anyone seen an extremely potent corsair? or NL? with apple + SE one nl can do like 150k a hit. by piling up 70k-80ks a star. lets just say 75k a star thats more than 200k without shadow partner and we are talking about the best gear seriously i highly doubt thers much of a difference between sairs and NL. only difference i can look at is i hear sairs are slightly faster and NL have an extra hit or 2 i never really studied sairs. but with perfect gear especially with all the attack you can have? that means

43 atk glove, 39 atk pac, 32 atk fs. 60 luk robe or more 105 atk claw and i dont knwo gun specs.

DUDE seirously its hard to even imagine it L> some calculation.

[Reflexx]

i like this useless thread, it gives me motivation to lvl my corsair. My outlaw is on a rope atm getting skele leech... yes in KMS LOL

[Stereo]

You're computer savy, think it be possible to create a program that records how much damage they do over let's say 10minute time frame?

To find out how much damage you do in 10 minutes

1) count how many monsters you kill in 10 minutes
2) multiply by the hp each one has

[Serene]

Corsair no matter what.

Off Topic: Funny how people think nl's are capable of actually reaching a corsairs damage.

[D3ath]

To the limit of 250k. Anything with more than a few mil HP but is non-boss can be webbed for massive damage, so

NL > MM > BM > Sair

Excepting monsters with lesser amounts of HP.

I believe shadow web still has a limit of dealing 32,767 damage per hit.

[CarrionCrow]

I believe shadow web still has a limit of dealing 32,767 damage per hit.

No.

[Lost my Mind.]

Off Topic: Funny how people think nl's are capable of actually reaching a corsairs damage.

NLs have been in denial ever since Pirates were added to the game.

[CarrionCrow]

NLs have been in denial ever since Pirates were added to the game.

Most Nightlords still falsely believe they are at the top, true, but it's all a matter of how and where really. Corsairs looks much more dynamic and versatile in general, but some areas NLs still manage better.

Also people always forget the simple aspects of taste and preference. I find gaviota and the octopus summons ugly, I do not enjoy the design of the guns and I think the boat could have been made in a less corny way (cannon bathtub much).
On the other hand I do like the dark nature of a Nightlord and find the skills not so tamely looking. For me ninja always beat pirate, and that weight in about 300 times more than the simple damage issue.
Play Maple with your heart and not the e-penor :goggle:

[Pauru]

As a corsair, I don't actually see myself all that superior to NLs in terms of bossing.

NLs outdamage Sairs in situations where you end up taking a lot of damage over a short time. During the feet and tail phase of HT, The later stages of PB, and even at Targa, NLs can outperform Sairs simply because of their damage constancy. I still play a Sair because I am attracted to the raw power, but sometimes I envy NLs for not having to deal with a drop in power every few minutes.

That said, I can't stand relying on another class' buff to be at my peak, which is a huge shortcoming of NLs, and that's why I chose sair over NL. >__>

It annoys me to see people arguing over which of the two is better. They are both excellent DPS classes, which play totally differently, and have different strengths and weaknesses. It's good that Maple offers more than just 1 such class, since it makes for more character diversity.

[Reflexx]

Corsairs

[Kleip]

I'm not going to act like a dreamer and claim all classes are equally good, but there's more than 1 class I would consider strongest(Hero for ignoring summons and still dealing damage to the main boss ; Bowmaster/Marksman for adding big damage to themselves and also the party ; Corsair for raw single-target DPS power ; Bishop for beating most small maps up badly, while raising the EXP yielded by mobs)

I consider Nightlord and Shadower good as well, but their room to outclass all others is very narrow, and comes down to a couple very specific situations.

With that said, I think while Buccaneer, Archmages and Paladin are the less powerful classes... though they are not exactly bad, just their mix of capabilities makes them pretty much always lose to at least one other class.
(Risky comment, since when it comes to Buccaneers I've only seen 2 different ones in action)




Edit: Not editing post out, because that would be cowardly, but I just realized this is *another* single target DPS topic, so I shouldn't have written such a long useless text for this matter.

[Kawasari Mimoto]

See, this is the thing I hate about MS. Everything is literally written in stone. If DPS sheets says Corsairs = top, they are top. Period. Still looking for an MMO out there in which it requires reflexes and skills to beat a boss, instead of DPS and GEARS only. :/

But yes, Corsairs would win, hands-down.

[kingdj333]

I'mwith Khoi here, common guys- it's been proven countless of times that Corsairs outdmg any other job when it comes to DPS/strenght.
Every class has its glory and shame, so instead of looking at the dmg, why don't we just look for the most interesting (to your taste).? Like really though? This is probably the 8th thread I've seen of this and once again corsair come out on top. Just stop it.

On a more serious Note, what about the paladins, eh? =D

[Russt]

Still looking for an MMO out there in which it requires reflexes and skills to beat a boss, instead of DPS and GEARS only. :/
This is why we play third person shooters (http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=18553)!

Anyway, why did this topic need to exist and why does it keep getting bumped?...

[Stereo]

Still looking for an MMO out there in which it requires reflexes and skills to beat a boss, instead of DPS and GEARS only. :/

In practicality, MS does require skill at the hands of the player - and there's a reason people won't typically take random strangers on boss runs even if they're the perfect class - but given that a single player is making a choice between classes, they might as well choose one that gives them the highest dps-ability in whatever situation they are interested in. They can't change who they are, they can change what class they play.

[Kawasari Mimoto]

In practicality, MS does require skill at the hands of the player - and there's a reason people won't typically take random strangers on boss runs even if they're the perfect class - but given that a single player is making a choice between classes, they might as well choose one that gives them the highest dps-ability in whatever situation they are interested in. They can't change who they are, they can change what class they play.

I don't really consider that as skills though. My definition of it was more like a honed-style of playing something after months, or years of playing. What you described was more geared towards n00bs or newbies. I mean, to be honest with you, after playing a DK and a Night Lord, and even a Bishop. I didn't find it hard, at all. I Zakked on all 3 characters. My NL did the highest DPS on bosses, rarely did I die at Paps or Zaks, etc.

And yeah, the only way that I'd consider them decent is as if they have more than a couple 4th job characters, and they are proficient at using all of their characters, and can switch back and forth with ease. Nice-controls > DPS, always. Best way for a Hermit or NL is to get them to El Nath, all at the same starting point, see who gets to the top of the mountain and to Dead Mine first, without falling off the bridge/rope over and over, or at all, if anything. Ones with the best controls of their character will always get there first because they familiarized themselves with the elements of those maps and they are very familiarized with their own character.

[Dual]

Maplestory is easy to play, but pro techniques take a little bit of work to master. Such as using rush to avoid stun and seal at Zakum, without killing yourself on the body. Little tricks and secrets like that shows where normal players reach into the more skilled.