Headless Horseman?

[Retalion]

Note: This thread may be all for naught as it is based on my personal observations in the last 30-45 minutes since MS has gone up after the SC. If someone proves me wrong, then this thread is completely useless xD

So I figured I'd stick myself at the mansion today so that even if we dont get Crimsonwood (hey, just in case it did come out), I could hunt Headless Horsemen. The SC ends at 12:30 and I get on and start channel scrolling to hunt for them. I start from 19 and go all the way around to 18. Every "Hallowed Ground" map I went into, there was no spawn at first, meaning that I was the first one on the map after the SC. However, in the 19 channels I found ZERO Headless Horsemen.

There are two scenarios here:

1. I was super unlucky. I know the SC went for only roughly 2.5 hours and that HH's spawn time is in the 6-12 range (or is it 6-8?). What are the odds that in the 2.5 hours, none of the HH spawn times "expired", causing them to spawn right after the SC? After each SC, there'd be zmms and mms on every channel yet not a single HH? Go figure.

2. The second possibility would be Crimsonwood Keep related. There have been discussions going on that HH should be moved/another way should be devised to get from the mansion to Crimsonwood keep as many low levels would die trying to go through HH to get there. Additionally, in the released screenshots of Crimsonwood Keep, you see a map called PFHG2 where you see a bowmaster killing a Headless Horseman. If it were to still spawn at Hallowed Ground, it would make HH the only boss in game to spawn in more than one map. That being said, it would kind of make sense if Headless Horseman were to no longer spawn in the map and they "accidently" took it out early.

What am I trying to do with this thread? I know Isaac will definitely be hunting after the SC and perhaps others in other servers as well. Did any of you find a HH after the SC? There's no definite way to prove that "it stopped spawning" but the question would become if others provide similar results as me: What are the odds of no one in any server finding a HH?

Just throwing this out there. Discuss as you see fit. (Burning Zone part of the thread: I stayed up till 1 to hopefully kill some HH and didnt find a single one. I could've slept earlier or something D:)

[bored4ever86]

i'm sure you did this but who knows some people may not know it... Did you kill a jr wraith or two before concluding that there was no spawning in that ch?

what happens is the max spawn for a map is reached and hence nothing else will spawn till the spawn is reduced below max spawn. Once its below max then a new set of monsters spawn (I say multiple cause some maps won't spawn until a certain number are killed, usually 1 but sometimes 2-4) this is to prevent overspawning (you go into a map and the map is full (completely wall to wall of monsters.... imagine if this wasn't in place and you went into straw target dummies)

[IsaacGS]

Well, there's some different explanations that could be given but as you noted it's two basic things.

HH's spawn time is 6 hours. However, as I have noted before, there's a "randomizer" variable on the server which switches it up. It could be low, meaning the spawn time is very close to 6 hours, or high, meaning the spawn time varies wildly. The longer the spawn time, the greater effect this will have, as seen with Pianus in particular.

Contrary to popular belief, Server Checks do not reset spawn times. MM and ZMM are always there after a server check because server checks usually last longer than their spawn times. If the server check were over 6 hours, then HH should probably have been there, at least on most channels.

So, there's two things which could have happened. One, that the spawn time "randomizer" was adjusted to making it much longer on average, or two, that nothing was changed and you were just unfortunate. We'll have to wait for others to report in from different servers. I'll remain skeptical until then.

[Retalion]

i'm sure you did this but who knows some people may not know it... Did you kill a jr wraith or two before concluding that there was no spawning in that ch?

what happens is the max spawn for a map is reached and hence nothing else will spawn till the spawn is reduced below max spawn. Once its below max then a new set of monsters spawn (I say multiple cause some maps won't spawn until a certain number are killed, usually 1 but sometimes 2-4) this is to prevent overspawning (you go into a map and the map is full (completely wall to wall of monsters.... imagine if this wasn't in place and you went into straw target dummies)

Yup. I just cast phoenix and let it do the work as I walked to the other end to look for it. I also went around the channels twice just in case with no luck either rounds.

And Isaac, I was aware that's how spawn works. I suppose I just didnt explain it very well =X As I was saying though, I know it'd take 6 hours for it to respawn, meaning for a guarantee spawn, the SC would have to be 6+ hours (or somewhere around there). But what were the odds that ALL of the channels didnt get close to its 6 hour spawn time, if you get what i mean?

I read somewhere else on the forum that you left your char in NLC in anticipation of Crimsonwood Keep. Did you go HH hunting at all after the SC? I was thinking you would/could report on it as I know you're an avid HH hunter and I assumed you'd go right after the SC looking for some xP

[IsaacGS]

Yup. I just cast phoenix and let it do the work as I walked to the other end to look for it. I also went around the channels twice just in case with no luck either rounds.

And Isaac, I was aware that's how spawn works. I suppose I just didnt explain it very well =X As I was saying though, I know it'd take 6 hours for it to respawn, meaning for a guarantee spawn, the SC would have to be 6+ hours (or somewhere around there). But what were the odds that ALL of the channels didnt get close to its 6 hour spawn time, if you get what i mean?

I read somewhere else on the forum that you left your char in NLC in anticipation of Crimsonwood Keep. Did you go HH hunting at all after the SC? I was thinking you would/could report on it as I know you're an avid HH hunter and I assumed you'd go right after the SC looking for some xP
I just got on for one second to check the CS items because I was confused how they could have priced them. XD I didn't go check because I'm trying to keep my EXP low at the moment. I get the feeling I'm going to die at Crimsonwood whenever it's released. :p

[Dusk]

I have never seen any bosses respawn immediately after a SC. I always assumed that SCs reset spawn times, meaning that you'd wait another 6-12 hours or whatever it is for one to appear.

[EtherealAsen]

I just got on for one second to check the CS items because I was confused how they could have priced them. XD I didn't go check because I'm trying to keep my EXP low at the moment. I get the feeling I'm going to die at Crimsonwood whenever it's released. :p


Isn't Crimsonwood suppose to be archer friendly? :f2:

[IsaacGS]

Isn't Crimsonwood suppose to be archer friendly? :f2:
I would hope so but the level 120 guardians give me that "You must die to enter" vibe. >_>
They better not do more than 3,000 damage.

[Harrisonized]

Sorry Jackk but, this screenshot was taken a few minutes ago. xD

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1671/maple0001ky3.jpg
No they did not move the headless horseman.

[Wiire]

^ Yea, I've killed a few too after the server check.

[Retalion]

Yeah, I finally found some =X Call me unlucky right after the SC or something D:

[BlueAnus]

Dont forget that Gunboss in showa spawns in 3 different maps, there just might be several different places where HH spawns.

[IsaacGS]

Dont forget that Gunboss in showa spawns in 3 different maps, there just might be several different places where HH spawns.
Hm, that's true, I had forgotten about him. But the Male Boss is a very unusual type of boss as it is. In some ways he's more like a bot catching monster. X_x

[Alloy]

Hm, that's true, I had forgotten about him. But the Male Boss is a very unusual type of boss as it is. In some ways he's more like a bot catching monster. X_x

3 maps? Am I wrong or is it only on the Armory, and the Alley?

Either way, it's constant spawn in the alley, so it's a "kinda boss"...

edit: whoops... wrong quote...

[Sn1perJohnE]

id say that male boss is either a mini bos or just a strong lvl monster/enemy, seeing as it really isnt something you train on yet it is mixed in with weaker mobs.

[Harrisonized]

id say that male boss is either a mini bos or just a strong lvl monster/enemy, seeing as it really isnt something you train on yet it is mixed in with weaker mobs.
That makes Male Boss an Area Boss.
Sounds just like the snowman. :f6:

[JezzaRules]

Hm, that's true, I had forgotten about him. But the Male Boss is a very unusual type of boss as it is. In some ways he's more like a bot catching monster. X_x

How come? He doesn't warp you back to town does he? Nor he is invulnerable in an y way which require you to do something to nullify it.

Well I DO have to admit male boss' HP is kinda crap for a boss monster tho.

ON TOPIC: So the headless horseman is still spawning... Don't you reckon it will still be moved after the patch?

[Chompy]

Hm, that's true, I had forgotten about him. But the Male Boss is a very unusual type of boss as it is. In some ways he's more like a bot catching monster. X_x

I would argue his is more friendly to hackers.
If they have godmode or reduced damage his Damage does not matter.
AND he produces MORE fast spawn.
...
He seems to be more of a exploration trap to me-
"Oh an old guy- OH GOD I GOT HIT BY A CAR-!":glitter:

[Sinnuendo]

3 maps? Am I wrong or is it only on the Armory, and the Alley?

Either way, it's constant spawn in the alley, so it's a "kinda boss"...

edit: whoops... wrong quote...

Armory, Showa Street 3, and The Nightmarish Last Days (the map wherethe Bodyguards + Grandpa spawn).

[Acim]

The Nightmarish Last Days (the map wherethe Bodyguards + Grandpa spawn).

That map has the BEST NAME EVER. If only it had good music, as well. Never listened to that music.

Actually, I have no screenshots, and I know you already found one, but after the server check a Headless Horseman killed me while I was at Jr Wraiths, so...

[IsaacGS]

How come? He doesn't warp you back to town does he? Nor he is invulnerable in an y way which require you to do something to nullify it.

Well I DO have to admit male boss' HP is kinda crap for a boss monster tho.

ON TOPIC: So the headless horseman is still spawning... Don't you reckon it will still be moved after the patch?
He warps you back to town by killing you. xD

Male boss is so weird, his HP/EXP are pretty normal for a monster of his level, he could easily kill anyone who would actually use that map to train, and his spawn time is ridiculously short, a matter of seconds. These things are less of a problem on the bain map, however it still applies that most people would be killed by it.

Anyway I didn't mean that he IS a bot-catching monster, he just behaves like one in some ways.

I would argue his is more friendly to hackers.
If they have godmode or reduced damage his Damage does not matter.
AND he produces MORE fast spawn.
...
He seems to be more of a exploration trap to me-
"Oh an old guy- OH GOD I GOT HIT BY A CAR-!":glitter:
Bot-catching monsters are to stop botters, not hackers. In KMS they have problems with people using sophisticated botting programs which not only attack repeatedly but use potions and move around the map. You really can't tell just from looking whether it's a bot or not, until you look at the equips. They look just like hackers did in GMS last year: Maple Snowboard, Maple Helmet, some crappy overall way below their level. And every single one of them is a Bishop, and they bot at monsters which 70-80 levels below them.

[Harrisonized]

Bot-catching monsters are to stop botters, not hackers. In KMS they have problems with people using sophisticated botting programs which not only attack repeatedly but use potions and move around the map. You really can't tell just from looking whether it's a bot or not, until you look at the equips. They look just like hackers did in GMS last year: Maple Snowboard, Maple Helmet, some crappy overall way below their level. And every single one of them is a Bishop, and they bot at monsters which 70-80 levels below them.
But then again, not all people wearing the outfit are hackers. I've had some people call me hackers because of my choice for my hat, which is the versal hat instead of the zhelm. They say that "I'm not legit so I can't get a Zhelm", which totally isn't true.
LoL... what's the point in catching these hackers then? They're 'potting, killing, walking around, playing' as a normal person would. The only difference is that they won't respond to you when you talk to them.
It's not like they're gaining an advantage. These hackers would be no different from the priests that hang off the ladders and HS, or the people spamming Meteo/Blizzard/Genesis at the Newties map while AFKing by using Autopot. -_-"

[Retalion]

I wouldnt call "male boss" a "boss" mainly because of the spawn time. It might be just me, but to qualify as a "boss", you have to be somewhat hard to find/have to camp to wait for it. Male boss just spawns every what? 30 seconds? (I really cant remember its spawn time).

Lol @ the topic changing courses xD

[Acim]

LoL... what's the point in catching these hackers then? They're 'potting, killing, walking around, playing' as a normal person would.

It's that they are gaining the same EXP as someone else who doesn't use those programs, except they aren't doing anything. Nexon defines hacking as "gaining an unfair advantage over other players". Compare someone who uses a bot for 24 hours to someone who plays for 24 hours. They get the same EXP, but one does whatever he wants to entertain himself, whereas the other has to eat at the computer, grind all day, and lose a lot of his physical health to get the same EXP as a botter. lolphail. Anyways, you get it, they get something for no effort or anything. Like being paid allowance without doing chores.

[IsaacGS]

But then again, not all people wearing the outfit are hackers. I've had some people call me hackers because of my choice for my hat, which is the versal hat instead of the zhelm. They say that "I'm not legit so I can't get a Zhelm", which totally isn't true.
LoL... what's the point in catching these hackers then? They're 'potting, killing, walking around, playing' as a normal person would. The only difference is that they won't respond to you when you talk to them.
It's not like they're gaining an advantage. These hackers would be no different from the priests that hang off the ladders and HS, or the people spamming Meteo/Blizzard/Genesis at the Newties map while AFKing by using Autopot. -_-"
How can you say they're not getting an advantage? what if your computer trained your character every second you were away from it? wouldn't that be an advantage? They're not even playing the game, the computer is playing the game for them.

And yes, people who leave a little rock or whatever on their Ultimate key and go away with autopot are just as bad. Botting is botting, whether it's a program or a weight.

[Harrisonized]

How can you say they're not getting an advantage? what if your computer trained your character every second you were away from it? wouldn't that be an advantage? They're not even playing the game, the computer is playing the game for them.
They're still using the same supplies, money, pots, and everything. Which means that it'll cost them the same amount as if they're sitting at a computer. They're not really cheating, they just set up macros that do their work for them, such as these people:

And yes, people who leave a little rock or whatever on their Ultimate key and go away with autopot are just as bad. Botting is botting, whether it's a program or a weight.
who I see all the time. >.> Why don't anyone call these people ^ botters then?

[Acim]

They're still using the same supplies, money, pots, and everything. Which means that it'll cost them the same amount as if they're sitting at a computer. They're not really cheating, they just set up macros that do their work for them, such as these people:

who I see all the time. >.> Why don't anyone call these people ^ botters then?

We do call those people botters. Botters are harder to catch than hackers, because they can do anything a normal player can do with a bot if it's well programmed and complicated enough. And they ARE gaining an unfair advantage, like we said. They may still need pots and all, but one person actually grinds his butt off, working HARD for his levels, and one person lets a computer grind for them, doing nothing but still getting the same thing the hardworker gets.

Time for more examples? It's like Susan does nothing helpful at work all day long and gets paid a billion dollars a week. Bob actually helps the company and gets paid the same as Susan. omg unfair ya right?

[Combattente]

I have the bad feeling they won't move the Headless Horseman in a place where we don't have to pass through to go to Crimsonwood Keep, and we will still have to pass through its map to go there.