Leeching.

[Judgment]

NOTE: This assumes that the person you are paying to level you up is not using hacks, the money you used to pay for leeching services is not from illegal methods, and that both characters are legit.

How do you all feel about the practice of leeching off of someone at places like Newties and Skeles?

Personally, I would pay for such services as long as the fees are reasonable because of the way NEXON/Wizet made grinding into a chore instead of a game.

[Beaner]

i think its for lazy people who cant train themselves. now if you leech your own chars, i dont give a damn, paying, thats lame. i voted i dont care though since it doesnt affect me anyways.

[iiMarik]

I don't really care, people can do what they wish.

Also, a chore is something that must be done. Leveling and gaining skills/level requirements for clothes, isn't a chore, it's done from your free will.

[Lunare]

I leech my own character, and sometimes have friends leech me. I don't pay people though.

[Rand]

I'm mainly against hackers being considered legitimate not because they're using 3rd party programs, but because of why the programs give them an advantage.

Someone can use a cheat engine to bot their character and go afk, gaining exp the whole time.

Someone can pay an archmage/bishop for services so they can go afk, gaining exp the whole time.

I don't see what makes a leecher so much better than a botter, from a moral standpoint.

[Rain]

I don't care because I'm going to end up doing it in the end.:chin:

[Findings]

If you don't want to train, don't train. Wasting a map that other people that enjoy the game could be using is extremely selfish. This is a videogame...you're supposed to play it for entertainment, if you're not having fun don't force yourself to play and ruin everyone else's fun in the process.

[Lunare]

I'm mainly against hackers being considered legitimate not because they're using 3rd party programs, but because of why the programs give them an advantage.

Someone can use a cheat engine to bot their character and go afk, gaining exp the whole time.

Someone can pay an archmage/bishop for services so they can go afk, gaining exp the whole time.

I don't see what makes a leecher so much better than a botter, from a moral standpoint.

It's different if you are leeching your own character. I can go solo some Death Teddies on my priest but why the hell would I do that when I can go use my Arch Mage to leech it for 10x more experience? I'm not breaking any rules.

In my eyes it is fine.

[Dusk]

When I refer to leeching, I speak of people who go AFK and let their friends or people they pay get them experience.

I feel that leechers are cheating themselves of any pride in levelling their character, or fun they might have developing a character. This is an RPG, after all. 90% of these people quit shortly after they reach 4th job, because they never had the attention span or the interest to level in the first place. They simply assumed the game would be more fun if they weren't low levelled. I don't think these people should be filling up the rankings.

Leeching your own characters is also lame, but I don't really care that much about it. I feel that as long as you're actually at your computer and making some effort to train your own character, anything goes.

[Katie]

I wouldn't leave my char considering I'm a priest and people want me for the HS.

On that note.... S> HS, HEAL, DISPEL, AND WHATEVER ELSE YOU WANT FROM ME :f4::f4::f4:

P.S. I'm on Bellocan =)

[ItzAnth]

If they've earned their mesos legit Why not? I wouldnt do it myself though. I could leechmyself or get friends to leech me :P

[Sn1perJohnE]

im ok with it, but i have one friend who absolutely will not train unless its 2X, he has a 2x card, or he is leeching X_X

[Pikachu]

Priests depend on leech EXP to level up. Their purpose is pretty much support till they get Genesis. Leeching is prefectly fine as long as we earned those mesos legitly. It's not like we're hacking. The person on the map gains EXP regardless, so it's not a waste of a map since both are technically training.

[Katie]

Priests depend on leech EXP to level up. Their purpose is pretty much support till they get Genesis. Leeching is prefectly fine as long as we earned those mesos legitly. It's not like we're hacking. The person on the map gains EXP regardless, so it's not a waste of a map since both are technically training.


I agree. It's kind of like, I'm giving you what you want and you are giving me what I want.

[Rand]

It's different if you are leeching your own character. I can go solo some Death Teddies on my priest but why the hell would I do that when I can go use my Arch Mage to leech it for 10x more experience? I'm not breaking any rules.

In my eyes it is fine.

And I don't think it breaks the Terms of Service to afk with a character gaining exp from a party member, but that's what we're discussing right?

Anyways, what you are doing is simply benefitting from either your ability to play Maplestory on two computers or someone else logging into your priest. Whether that's an unfair advantage is between you and your conscience, though I'm sure there are people out there who find it unfair to benefit from that second computer.

I don't hold an opinion on leeching a secondary character with a primary, and didn't state that I did in my post. o.o

[Loose]

I think it's pathetic and a lazy ass way of leveling your character. More like letting other people level your character.

I think it's like paying someone to play Megaman for you, get all the weapons and leave you against Dr. Wily. Or getting someone to clear a Zelda game for you and you getting to beat Ganondorf at the end.

I'm against it, the only way it affects me is on rankings and possibly prices on skillbooks for when I finally get to 4th job. Of course, there aren't many Chief Bandits that get to 4th job, but a couple I know will only "play" if they're able to leech.

[Stereo]

I'm generally against it, there are specific cases where I'm ok with it but in the general sense of "player is gaining exp while afk" I am definitely against it, and I'd rather not play at all than have to leech from someone.

If you leech your own characters it's not quite as bad, I'd still frown on it unless it's a support type character that you can't solo on (eg. pure HP warrior) but in the end only your own characters are affected.

[SoopyKun]

lol, like who DOESN'T know what leeching is ...?
ehh to be honest, I really don't mind leechers...

[Retalion]

Leech all you want, I dont give a damn. Me personally, Im too old school to leech. Though I train slow, I still do it myself and Im proud of it.

What annoys me is when people leech their asses to 13x and then go around flaunting "zomg, look at me, Im soooo pro" and whatnot. No you're not. Go train your character yourself, then talk. If you cant train when its "easy" during your 10x days when its reasonable to level once a day still, how will you train when you're 13x/14x and it takes multiple days of grinding to level?

Go figure. In the end, I cant control what others do, but I can control what I do.

[Silver_ice]

im partially against it. it just doesnt feel right to not be sitting on ur ass grinding ur char away. and instead like reading a book or w/e while it leeches. maybe its the new way of lvling. but it just seems wrong.

[Blankout]

The thing I find funny about leechers is that they leech from say 100-120, and then they run out of money and go "omg i lv120 nl weere i trian??? f4f4f4f4"

[Harrisonized]

Though I train slow, I still do it myself and Im proud of it.
Same here. In fact, I don't even believe 2x is a fair deal... I've never had a 2x exp card (or drop card) in my entire maple gameplay.


What annoys me is when people leech their asses to 13x and then go around flaunting "zomg, look at me, Im soooo pro" and whatnot. No you're not. Go train your character yourself, then talk. If you cant train when its "easy" during your 10x days when its reasonable to level once a day still, how will you train when you're 13x/14x and it takes multiple days of grinding to level?
That's so true. When you leech up like that, you lack the skills needed to play. I remember when boomers still multiplied, I leeched my cleric using my FP mage, and as a result, I suck at healing. >< It wasn't until CPQ came out that I learned how to attack while still keeping others alive.

The other think that annoys me is that people run around maps spamming "Buying Leech!" In an hour at wolf spiders, I see at least three people doing that. It's as if money can buy everything these days. Sighs. In the time they're spamming that, they could have already leveled 10~20% on their own. Show's how lazy people are these days.

(And, also included are the people who train but are too lazy to find a map so they KS yours.)

[Beloved]

I'm generally against it, there are specific cases where I'm ok with it but in the general sense of "player is gaining exp while afk" I am definitely against it, and I'd rather not play at all than have to leech from someone.

If you leech your own characters it's not quite as bad, I'd still frown on it unless it's a support type character that you can't solo on (eg. pure HP warrior) but in the end only your own characters are affected.

Yeah, this is how I am as well. I chose "dont care" for the other questionable purposes. However, I do not believe that all classes below 4th job have NOTHING to contribute to a party.

Bowmen can use their birds to stun the lone annoying newtie
Hermits can use shadow web
DKs have hb -- pots break even + they can kill
Saders can stun.
White Knights -- ... well, first of all, LF> white knight
CBs can stun
Priests can HS and hug the wall so the newtie hits THEM instead of me, the main attacker. Also saves me from wasting time trying to climb up the stupid rope with tons of KBs.

Everyone CAN contribute something. So if I'm letting someone leech my exp, I don't wanna hear a "omfg its pot burn standing here" or "Anything I do is useless". All I want is to see that they're doing something to contribute. Which brings me to my next point:

Priests ARENT useless at newties. Yes, all they do is HS, but hell, they've got this wonderful skill called heal. -- Guess what you can do when your attacker got hit? 1. If they pot lag..: solution! 2. Heal serves as an outer source backup in an emergency situation. That said, there is no reason why anyone should be standing there doing nothing. Only exception is if the attacker prefers you doing nothing.


Overall, I don't mind allowing them to leech off my exp because it benefits me (I can't train alone -- or else my attention phazes in 1 minute and I loose the will to train), and on the other hand, I also know that 10x's to 11x's are generally one of the more pain in the ass levels to get through. So I help out as much as I can since I can't do much of the same to those who helped ME get to 120.

In the end, I do and I don't mind = don't care as long as its reasonable.

[Airrat]

I totally dislike leeching. If people want to just afk to gain levels then I think they should just turn their computer off.

To be honest its just like auto HSing priests. No effort put into the game at all and they people who do nothing then boast about getting to the level they are and how they did nothing.

I've trained 3 characters to 4th job. The game has now been made so easy to get levels and to get to 120 even without x2. If its your character then it should be the owner of that character who gains the exp to level not someone else.

Leeching yourself if you have 2 computers is fine as your putting in the time to do it. But paying for someone else to do it is just sad. If you want to do something else other than MS then don't log on.

Thats just my view on it anyway. But I really hate people who put in no effort to their own character and then boast about it (which most people do). Also people who are like "L> leech I need 8% to lvl pls pls pls", well, if you've read what I've said before you know what im going to say about that.

[DrRusty]

I've trained 3 characters to 4th job. The game has now been made so easy to get levels and to get to 120 even without x2. If its your character then it should be the owner of that character who gains the exp to level not someone else.



I'm not to sure about it being "easy to lvl". It still takes a good amount of dedication to the game to reach 4th job. Sure I could spend 8 hours of my day training so I can lvl ONE TIME, but honestly.... 8 hours is alot of friggin time to be playing a game so you can gain +5 ap. Thats on my shadower btw; my bishop would take longer than that.

To be honest it doesnt bother me. Sure it's lazy, but it's just a game. If you want to have the high lvl char without the grind in between then I can't say I blame you. Who wouldn't want to wake up one day and have a high lvl char to play on. Some people enjoy training, and others just want to play on a high lvl char til they get bored.

[aznegglover]

If you don't want to train, don't train. Wasting a map that other people that enjoy the game could be using is extremely selfish. This is a videogame...you're supposed to play it for entertainment, if you're not having fun don't force yourself to play and ruin everyone else's fun in the process.
The person you're leeching from is still using the map

[Chameleonic]

I'm not to sure about it being "easy to lvl". It still takes a good amount of dedication to the game to reach 4th job. Sure I could spend 8 hours of my day training so I can lvl ONE TIME, but honestly.... 8 hours is alot of friggin time to be playing a game so you can gain +5 ap. Thats on my shadower btw; my bishop would take longer than that.



<-------- Wait till it takes that long to level. :f7:


I dont really like leeching or leechers...they start to "expect" certain things from people and have a bad impatient attitude in general.

[Magus]

As an arch mage who trains at newties, I am an expert at this topic.
Whenever I try and train, without fail someone will come in and say:
"OMG CAN U TRAIN ME PLZZZ I WANT TO LVL T____T"
It's really pineappleing annoying when Priests do it, because they THINK that HS will make a diffrence. It won't, I lose EXP and you leech off me. It's a win lose situation, get it through your head.
Even better is when I have to party someone (They take the bottom or whatever.) and after I am done they will ask to buddy me so they can beg me to train later.
One priest who I will delete when I log on will say:
"Hi Lord" when I log on, then say "Lord come to newties I want to train T_T"
I am sick of it. Level your own damn character.

[EchoFaith]

personally, i don't care how other people level. in my experience, those that get used to experience rates leeching just burn out when it comes time to train on their own.

personally, i wont have anyone leeching off me unless they're a friend that i feel like helping out for an hour or two. even then, i expect them to contribute everything possible rather than going afk.

[Taiketo]

Level your own damn character.

I will have to remember to ask you to level me every time you log on. :heart:

As for me, I really don't care. If someone offered to let me leech I'd probably accept, I spend most of my actual training sitting on ropes talking to people anyway. Not likely to pay money for it being that I'm broke.

[Cats]

Generally, against it.

It's one thing to leech as a priest, because you're actually adding valuable skills to the party, and thus, actually PARTICIPATING. Other kinds of leech are minimal and I find okay too, such as very low level (face it, having no to suck skills is a pain in the ass, I level easier at 13x than levels 1-30), people afking for 5 minutes to pee (CS can be a bitch and D/C you at times), etc.


It's another to sit there afk and get free exp doing nothing (and yes, I'm against HS afk HS bots for the same reason). What is the point of 'playing' the game if you're not actually going to PLAY it? There's no reward at the end other than entertainment, but you aren't being entertained if you're not there. It's like watching a blank TV screen.

If the grind in this game is too much of a "chore"...then QUIT. As I said, there is no reward, so if it's too much of a bother, then DO SOMETHING ELSE. It is not a requirement to play the game, nor be a high level in x amount of time, etc. It is not a race.


Yes, we all want to be stronger and we all wish it was easy. LIFE ISN'T THAT GENEROUS. You actually need to put effort into something to get something you think you deserve.

[DrRusty]

<-------- Wait till it takes that long to level. :f7:


I dont really like leeching or leechers...they start to "expect" certain things from people and have a bad impatient attitude in general.

thats exactly my point. You're getting 1% an hour at 15x. Wouldn't it be nice to skip 20 hours of training time by having someone else do it for you? 100 hours on the game for 5 ap ??? Seriously come on... Its not wonder so many people want to play private servers or pay for leach. Many of us just do not want to spend 8 hours+ a day killing in a map to play on the high lvl char of our dreams. Hell, if I could have started MS at lvl 150 then why the hell wouldn't I do it? Getting from 1- 15x is a pain in the ass. Took me 3 years.

[Worthyness]

If you train your own characters leeching, then it's fine. paying other people just makes you look like a lazy bum who wants to get to a high level.

I've personally leeched at least a level in my career to 100. but i trained myslef =P

[Cardboardsnail]

I don't care.

If the money was obtained legitimately and the person that's letting the rich guy leech is training legitimately, then it's all good.

[Thunda]

Leeching is fine as long as you're doing something for the party and actually spending your time getting the EXP. Sitting there AFK, on the other hand....

[Dyxanije]

It doesn't really bother me since I know people are lazy, hell, I'm lazy too but as long as it doesn't involve me I could care less whether or not they are leveling them self.

[Venison!]

My friends leech me wherever...though currently I'm at the level where I can't be leeched because himes is the fastest and ... yeah. Blah.

Leeching is fine, whatever. As long as SOMEONE is doing the work... I have no issue with it. I mean leeching a random person for meso can be a bit iffy, but friends doing friends a favor is fine with meee. Like others have said, I'm a priest so I kinda have to hang around to do holy symbol and stuff.

[Bacon]

Being an HP Warrior, I thrive on leeching. That's the only way I'll be able to level.

I guess you could say I'm for it. But I still lose a little bit of respect for those people who I see hiding on those ropes. I may sound like a hypocrite, but as much as I like leeching, I dislike certain leechers. These are the people who jumping into a map and start asking for leech right off the bat. These are the people who will say 'thx' and then 'afk' after getting a deal. I'd much prefer it if they were to stand in the middle of the newtie platform and try to help out. I don't even care if they -miss- half the time. At least it shows you're willing to exert some effort on leveling up.

As for me, I'll gladly pay the people who allow me to leech. I might not be very useful if the person doesn't want rage, but I still try to mob where I can and help out anyway I can. If I can't do anything well, I want to give the person some money to pay for their effort and as a gesture of gratitude.

I don't see anything wrong with leeching if the other person tries to do something.

[Blankout]

Being an HP Warrior, I thrive on leeching. That's the only way I'll be able to level.


High leveled beginners have to leech too, or else they get 1-2% an hour at level 70 or something.

[Judgment]

Yes, we all want to be stronger and we all wish it was easy. LIFE ISN'T THAT GENEROUS. You actually need to put effort into something to get something you think you deserve.

I think some people have forgotten that MapleStory is a game.

Frankly, the amount of grinding needed at the higher levels takes away the "game" feeling from this game and replaces it with a "chore" feeling that some people really hate. At least paying for leeching services takes away the chore feeling for some, and makes MS feel like a game again.

Also, with the "assisting" at Newties argument, I'm not too sure how WKs can contribute to a Newtie party at least half-effectively. I would expect that they would be a liability because PG would accidentally aggro a mob, and then one shot a squishier person (Archers and NL) that happens to be near-by. Sure, we have a stun that works at a 90% rate, but it's hard to spam that stun until 4th job skills.

[kleptophobia]

i think its for lazy people who cant train themselves. now if you leech your own chars, i dont give a damn, paying, thats lame.
This guy has it right... But I voted I'm against it because bishops that leech people should learn to find other ways of making money >_>, like leeching friends for free.

[xDae]

If you sit there and level a mage to 150, I dont see why you cant let a new character of your leech to a high level.

You already did all that training once and "accomplished" something, why have to go through it again?

[Lyssa]

In my brief stay on GMS after I reached fourth job, the idea of selling leeching was just beginning to be popular. I came back for a while, intending to leech-level a friend's inactive char (so I could use it myself, hehehe) and had many people ask if I would leech them. I said no each time, due to my complete inability to play for more than an hour before growing weary of "training."

In any case, I'll say this: if you're going to afk and leech experience, you won't be able to do ANYTHING later in the game. afk +leech is not something I like, regardless of if you're paying for it of if it's free. The only exception being if you've approached a friend and they agreed to it--after all, you can thank them later ;]

On the other hand, if you're at your computer, interacting with the person leeching you (looting is certainly a nice thing ;]) I don't have a problem with it. For that same reasons I dislike priests who use HS botting to level. Yes, I know it's not easy to level as a priest but that doesn't mean you should be allowed to walk away from it >.>

Overall though, to each his own. I'm not going to attack those who agree to leech others. It's not harming me much =p

~Lyssa

[miny]

People getting leeched levels faster than the ones that doesn't leech.
Well, I leeched from a friend before. I'm a priest though. Most priests leech until they're level 120. I find it hard to level without leeching on a priest. EXP is like so dam slow without leeching.

[Conciente]

Leeching...

If you can't train or have the patience to be on a computer for countless hours, just stop playing this game. Leeching makes your character WORTHLESS... then people ask why these high levels don't know how to boss. Of course they don't, they got leeched while they were busy "having a life".

Bishops/Arch Mages should find people who want to actually TRAIN instead of leeching useless people.

[kIkO]

Leech is almost share account, am i wrong?
leaving grinding for someone else =/


I leeched myself once lvl 108-120 but hey... i was leeching my own char, lol

[Judgment]

Leech is almost share account, am i wrong?
leaving grinding for someone else =/

Technically, "Sharing an account" means (I'm not too sure what this means in NEXON's eyes) having more than one person playing on a single account at a time. This would also include playing other people's accounts.

However, unless you gave your account info out to the person who's PLing you in this manner, you're still the one who's "playing" on the account.


I leeched myself once lvl 108-120 but hey... i was leeching my own char, lol

This also isn't account sharing because you're playing on both of the accounts.

[kIkO]

Technically, "Sharing an account" means (I'm not too sure what this means in NEXON's eyes) having more than one person playing on a single account at a time. This would also include playing other people's accounts.
However, unless you gave your account info out to the person who's PLing you in this manner, you're still the one who's "playing" on the account.

This also isn't account sharing because you're playing on both of the accounts.

Of course I used my both comps

Leeching is... you let someone train for you, and sharing an account it's almost the same, earning EXP ... getting helped by someone else

[»-Chris->]

People getting leeched levels faster than the ones that doesn't leech.
Well, I leeched from a friend before. I'm a priest though. Most priests leech until they're level 120. I find it hard to level without leeching on a priest. EXP is like so dam slow without leeching.

Are you serious? Priests level so damn easy compared to other classes I've played, try himes.

[kIkO]

I miss gobies and all that crap xD

I was ...157 when 4th came out >.>

never leeched, ftw!

[Kranzorbaken]

what do you guys think of me leeching a few times off hh.
Its free and only cause he offered it.
And meh its fun cause hes so much higher then me we never getta chill.
so we sit and pwn hh. well he pwns it

[rassilon]

Well, I voted "against," and I dislike leeching (and leechers) for the same reasons I dislike botting and other means of cheating. Call me old-fashioned, but I play my online games in a sportsman-like manner. In baseball, you don't have someone else bat for you and carry you as they run the bases, then let you touch Home Plate to score; in golf, you can't have someone else play while you follow them around in the cart, then go tap the ball in and claim the score as your own. That's just silly.

We all play this game in our own way, because we all value different things. To me, it's all about what I can accomplish. If I let someone else do the grinding while I hang on a rope and suck up EXP, what have I accomplished? If I buy mesos from gold farmers instead of earning them myself, what have I accomplished? Squat. I'd get no satisfaction from it, and to me that's what playing a game like this is about.

If I get to level 120, it's under my own power. If I ever have a billion mesos (hah!), it'll be because I earned them. I'll be able to sit back and say, "I did this!" I'll be able to feel good about what I've done, because I did it.

[Manda]

I'm against it for the most part. A lot of us who got to 12x before 2x cards were even released, and even before 4th job, did it the hard way and feel proud for getting as far as we have without being lazy and throwing mesos around to sit on our asses and watch numbers grow. If you find it too hard to level yourself then you're doing it wrong and playing the wrong game. There's something nice about knowing that you've achieved all of your levels yourself.

[Kranzorbaken]

but if someone offered free leech or just a few hh leeches whilst you chill with them.
is that so wrong

[John]

I remember when the Scania Party section of Sleepywood was just threads of "B>leech." When that happens, I think that's too far <_<

[Darklai]

I'm old school, back when the real pros were alive and well. I'm talking before 4th job, before 2x and 30% scrolls. Back when people would grind hard core at squids and at Ludi to reach 14x.
I'm completely against leeching. I don't like it. I think it's proving how much of a 'useless' or 'lazy' person that is. I see it the same as the excuse hackers use to hack: "I have a life". Granted, people aren't hacking, but they aren't earning their levels which I find disgraceful. :\

[rassilon]

but if someone offered free leech or just a few hh leeches whilst you chill with them.
is that so wrong
Well, I would have to say it's not totally wrong. You're not just sitting there getting EXP for nothing, you're spending time with a buddy. Assuming that's not the only way you train, I wouldn't say it's extremely bad. You're not sitting there for 4 hours while he kills HH, are you? You do level your character by other means, right?

This is a similar case to me going to Papulatus with a 14x guild mate. Yeah, I hit the thing a couple of times and got a small amount of experience, but he did 99% of the work and mostly I was just trying to stay alive. (I failed, BTW.) Did I get some EXP from it? Yep, although I lost it later due to dying. :f3: Now, you can't just hang on a rope at Pap, but if I had survived I would have gained 5% or so from that (I think). So, you could view that as leeching, from a certain point of view.

Hell, I don't even see Priests as "leeching" if they are with a party and doing nothing besides providing buffs and healing -- after all, that's why we have Priests, isn't it? They get some EXP from healing, they benefit from Holy Symbol along with everyone else, so as long as they are actively contributing (not botting) I've got no problem with that. Some people say that Priests do nothing but leech, but um... it's called party training.

[Kranzorbaken]

yah well i cant do it yet.But no by no means am i doing it for hours on end.
Maybe like 5 hh's
and i lvl normally grinding the good ol way.
and lol i died like 3 times from freaking bf >.>
he died 3 times aswell got ss's for later blackmail...(jk on theblackmail)

[IcyGreenTea]

Reminds me of the f/p mage I saw yesterday at Leafre, a leech buyer.
He was standing in town sealing and medi-ing.
I reported him for botting.

I think that showed my attitude for the topic.

On a side note, I think leeching is not very different to hacking. Except someone else is doing the attacking for you.

[Xiyuuna]

Whatever happen to gamers being gamers.

[NoJobNoRules]

Party training is alright. Even if the lower level member takes a lot longer to kill and only does, say, one platform, than I think that is okay. They are at least trying and actively playing. :X