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MasPan
2009-08-28, 02:22 PM
First off, has anyone done this in gMS yet?

I brought this up once before.
It should be possible within 4 hours. Arms shouldn't take more than 40-45minutes (I can hit 3 or so at a time on right, 3 on left, and be left with the top one on each side).

I have 20 stance, so for the most part knockback won't be an issue.

I have a damage range of just about 12k with an apple, probably 13.5k with a gelt. I have 3 gelts. The plan is to buy 21 apples (eww 80-100m) and have enough to last 4 hours. If I run out, I'll use blood (12 attack). For the bodies I'll be standing on the bottom left spamming Fury. Hopefully I'll be able to agro without killing enough mobs to dodge a lot of 1/1s and stuns. I will bring 4500 ginsengs, 600 sorcerers. The sorcerers are only for use while the MP Eater arms are alive (I don't want to overpot because my mana is low). Otherwise the ginsengs take care of my mana needs.

1 problem - I have no internet at the moment. So until it gets fixed, I can't even go buy the apples or think about the run. Lol.

Before the full solo, I'll do an arms only solo with no apples to get a rough idea of how much time it will take (divide time by 2, then extrapolate for bodies).

Any suggestions are welcome, but I probably won't listen. I'm stubborn like that (Rush maxed at 14x O.o).

Oh, and L> People to help me get into the altar.
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Chompy
2009-08-28, 02:35 PM
I can help you get into the altar. :glitter:

EmuAlert
2009-08-28, 02:46 PM
What's your attack range? With an apple? I could calculate exactly how long it should take you if you were spamming with no interruptions. Just find out how long it'd take to kill each arm, multiply that by 4 (since there's 4 positions to attack from), then total up how much it'd take for each body.

Oh, and if you want to cut corners potion-wise, buy chews. They give 80 attack for 7 minutes, yet only cost a few hundred thousand meso (200k~400k I think).

DamyouAL
2009-08-28, 02:48 PM
good luck brandon!

MasPan
2009-08-28, 03:01 PM
What's your attack range? With an apple? I could calculate exactly how long it should take you if you were spamming with no interruptions. Just find out how long it'd take to kill each arm, multiply that by 4 (since there's 4 positions to attack from), then total up how much it'd take for each body.

Oh, and if you want to cut corners potion-wise, buy chews. They give 80 attack for 7 minutes, yet only cost a few hundred thousand meso (200k~400k I think).

Hmm, roughly 6-12m for the chews I'd need. I'll consider that. Range with blood (+12) is roughly 3500-8000. I can get more accurate numbers when I can actually get internet to get on maple. I'm at work right now. I'm using pap times (appleless) then cutting it down to 2/3 the time with apple (because Pap has what is essentially a wdef up, stuns, and is generally an asshole). I can solo Pap in 20 minutes without an apple. With, probably about 13 minutes. Uninterrupted damage, I could probably do roughly a 14 minute pap solo, 8-10 with apple. This is spamming Fury, mind you.

My rough estimate is that even 150m HP shouldn't take me longer than an hour and a half. Anyways, goin home, no more internet. Ttyl!

And ty for offers of help guys!

dpeterlin
2009-08-28, 03:03 PM
Oh, and if you want to cut corners potion-wise, buy chews. They give 80 attack for 7 minutes, yet only cost a few hundred thousand meso (200k~400k I think).

chews are 20 attack -- basically a stackable cider with a couple min longer time

good luck on the run -- im sure youll keep us updated :)

Stereo
2009-08-28, 03:05 PM
Before the full solo, I'll do an arms only solo with no apples to get a rough idea of how much time it will take (divide time by 2, then extrapolate for bodies).

Apples and even gelts don't really double your damage, for example my Paladin has 163 attack with Warrior Elixirs, 251 with Apples, which is only about 54% extra damage. Gelts are 66% more.

≮①蒔怃悢≯
2009-08-28, 03:22 PM
now your attack range?

I think you must have 10000 maxatt

Blaine
2009-08-28, 03:33 PM
If you're lucky enough to get a summon to stand right behind you and attack you, that's gonna work wonders for your time and it'll protect you from both 1/1 and stun. I couldn't tell you if it's been done or not, however.

Dual
2009-08-28, 03:40 PM
I would love to help you get into the altar Bread. I am a JQ hoar after all, and I never get to waste enough Eyes. Good luck btw. You won't be able to save money by buying chews since they are only 20 att, far too weak to be considered. If you want apples I'll give you any I get from apq, cause I really never sell them and idc. Of course I don't apq often, so that's only 2-3 apples. I would also wanna know if I can watch, because I have nothing better to do. :f2:



First off, has anyone done this in gMS yet?

Aren't you one of the highest lvl Pure PA Dark? So that would be a very obvious question, my Fiberful Friend.

EmuAlert
2009-08-28, 04:27 PM
Hmm, roughly 6-12m for the chews I'd need. I'll consider that. Range with blood (+12) is roughly 3500-8000. I can get more accurate numbers when I can actually get internet to get on maple. I'm at work right now. I'm using pap times (appleless) then cutting it down to 2/3 the time with apple (because Pap has what is essentially a wdef up, stuns, and is generally an asshole). I can solo Pap in 20 minutes without an apple. With, probably about 13 minutes. Uninterrupted damage, I could probably do roughly a 14 minute pap solo, 8-10 with apple. This is spamming Fury, mind you.

My rough estimate is that even 150m HP shouldn't take me longer than an hour and a half. Anyways, goin home, no more internet. Ttyl!

And ty for offers of help guys!

Well with that damage rate (13 minutes for 24,590,000 HP), you do 1,891,538.46 damage per minute. Each arm set has, on average of the highest HP arm, 31,500,000 HP.

31,500,000*4 for the arms
66,000,000 for zakum 1
88,000,000 for zakum 2
110,000,000 for zakum 3
->390,000,000 HP total
390,000,000/1,891,538.46 =
->206.18 minutes, or 3 hours and 26 minutes.

This is with an apple and assuming you can do the same damage over time to zakum as you can to pap. If I got your exact stats (str, dex, and weapon attack) I could calculate how long it'd take with no interruptions.


chews are 20 attack -- basically a stackable cider with a couple min longer time
Are chews really only 20 attack? They've always said that, but I know that when they came out, they were actually 80 attack.


First off, has anyone done this in gMS yet?
I don't think so. But if you're going for sheer zakum solo awesomeness, Csenger has got you beat, he soloed zakum at level 119.
XVJBY2N0qLk
Good lord, 9 hours? Did he use a catheter or something?

XTOTHEL
2009-08-28, 04:36 PM
HA! I steal this idea right now! :D *runs off to solo Zak*

Meeks
2009-08-28, 04:37 PM
Aren't you one of the highest lvl Pure PA Dark? So that would be a very obvious question, my Fiberful Friend.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure xBBGal or however you spell is a 200 PPA DrK.

Resonance
2009-08-29, 03:39 AM
1 -- 2
3 -- 4
5 -- 6
7 -- 8

Let's say the arms were numbered in this way. It would be faster in theory to stand on the platform between 3 and 5 and take out 1, 3, and 5. Then you'd stand on 7 and take out 6, 7, and 8. You'd finish off by standing on the platform next to 2 to take out 1 and 2. It'd kill a lot more pots and you may need to being Berserk-specific pots, but it would mean you'd kill from 3 locations and not 4.

Blaine
2009-08-29, 03:41 AM
I'm pretty sure xBBGal or however you spell is a 200 PPA DrK.

"One of", not THE highest.

Good luck when you try it Mas. The power of puce is behind you.

EmuAlert
2009-08-29, 01:29 PM
1 -- 2
3 -- 4
5 -- 6
7 -- 8

Let's say the arms were numbered in this way. It would be faster in theory to stand on the platform between 3 and 5 and take out 1, 3, and 5. Then you'd stand on 7 and take out 6, 7, and 8. You'd finish off by standing on the platform next to 2 to take out 1 and 2. It'd kill a lot more pots and you may need to being Berserk-specific pots, but it would mean you'd kill from 3 locations and not 4.

Yeah, I was just thinking about this. It would trim off 16 minutes overall, so it might be worth it, and it might not.

MasPan
2009-09-01, 01:41 PM
Well with that damage rate (13 minutes for 24,590,000 HP), you do 1,891,538.46 damage per minute. Each arm set has, on average of the highest HP arm, 31,500,000 HP.

31,500,000*4 for the arms
66,000,000 for zakum 1
88,000,000 for zakum 2
110,000,000 for zakum 3
->390,000,000 HP total
390,000,000/1,891,538.46 =
->206.18 minutes, or 3 hours and 26 minutes.

This is with an apple and assuming you can do the same damage over time to zakum as you can to pap. If I got your exact stats (str, dex, and weapon attack) I could calculate how long it'd take with no interruptions.


Are chews really only 20 attack? They've always said that, but I know that when they came out, they were actually 80 attack.

I don't think so. But if you're going for sheer zakum solo awesomeness, Csenger has got you beat, he soloed zakum at level 119.
XVJBY2N0qLk
Good lord, 9 hours? Did he use a catheter or something?

Stats with 19 MW
900 Str
135 Dex

Range with 19 MW
3326-7416

With Blood, it goes to
3575-7972

So I get roughly a 250-550 boost for every 12 attack. Gelt will put me at appx 5800-13500, Apple at roughly 5500-12250. I already planned to do what someone above mentioned, and hit 3 arms at a time. Sometimes Fury even hits the top arms from the middle platforms depending on how they swing, so occasionally I'll get some extra damage in as well. I may not be able to hit both top arms at once (left and right top). I'd have to test that. If not, it shouldn't kill my time too much.

KhainiWest
2009-09-01, 03:29 PM
Stats with 19 MW
900 Str
135 Dex

Range with 19 MW
3326-7416

With Blood, it goes to
3575-7972

So I get roughly a 250-550 boost for every 12 attack. Gelt will put me at appx 5800-13500, Apple at roughly 5500-12250. I already planned to do what someone above mentioned, and hit 3 arms at a time. Sometimes Fury even hits the top arms from the middle platforms depending on how they swing, so occasionally I'll get some extra damage in as well. I may not be able to hit both top arms at once (left and right top). I'd have to test that. If not, it shouldn't kill my time too much.

You should attempt to get a purple surfboard before attempting. It be pretty dam easy to scroll with the new gm scrolls out, if you got that kind of money to fork over.

MasPan
2009-09-01, 05:15 PM
You should attempt to get a purple surfboard before attempting. It be pretty dam easy to scroll with the new gm scrolls out, if you got that kind of money to fork over.

That's kindof a duh moment. I already have what is equivalent to a 140 or so Zedbug damagewise, though, so I'm ok without one. Anyone who knows me knows I have been looking for one since the notice they were released in gMS. So far, fruitlessly.

Regardless, telling me to find an extremely rare item and pour 200m+ into rare/expensive scrolls for it before soloing Zakum isn't helping.

MasPan
2009-09-01, 05:25 PM
Also, internet restored, I'm gonna go for the full solo Saturday evening. I won't be frapsing (who wants to watch 4 hours of me swinging a PA around?), but I'll ss each arm kill and the bodies. Hoping for no random dcs or problems.

EmuAlert
2009-09-01, 06:06 PM
Stats with 19 MW
900 Str
135 Dex

Range with 19 MW
3326-7416

With Blood, it goes to
3575-7972

So I get roughly a 250-550 boost for every 12 attack. Gelt will put me at appx 5800-13500, Apple at roughly 5500-12250. I already planned to do what someone above mentioned, and hit 3 arms at a time. Sometimes Fury even hits the top arms from the middle platforms depending on how they swing, so occasionally I'll get some extra damage in as well. I may not be able to hit both top arms at once (left and right top). I'd have to test that. If not, it shouldn't kill my time too much.

Alrighty.
STR: 900
DEX: 135
weapon attack: 260 (with apple, 160 clean)
range (swinging): 8775~12051
attacks per minute (normal speed + booster, right?): 83.333
-925 defense on average
-range after defense: 8220~11588.5
-average damage: 9904.25
-after Fury: 24760.625
-damage per minute: 2063385.4
So if you had 3 sets of arms, all at 30m HP, it would take you 43.62 minutes to take out all the arms.

-1000 defense
-range after defense: 8175~11551
-average damage: 9863
-after Fury: 24657.5
-damage per minute: 2054791.7
With 66m HP, it would take you 32.12 minutes to kill it.

-1100 defense
-range after defense: 8115~11501
-average damage: 9808
-after Fury: 24520
-damage per minute: 2043333.3
With 88m HP, it would take you 43.07 minutes.

-1200 defense
-range after defense: 8055~11451
-average damage: 9753
-after Fury: 24382.5
-damage per minute: 2031875.0
With 110m HP, it would take you 54.14 minutes.

So it would take you 172.95 minutes to kill zakum, or about 2 hours and 53 minutes. That's continually spamming Fury on 3 zakum arms, no getting knocked back, potting, or super defense up, so it would probably take you closer to 4 hours to solo zakum.

And just on a rough estimate, with Blood you'd do about 172/260 of the damage, or take 260/172 times longer, which would be 4 hours, 21 minutes.

hoxbrito
2009-09-01, 06:40 PM
I'm a newbie here, probably this is my first or second post at all. Good luck with Zakum Solo Maspan, I'll be happy if you do it well =D.

(Lvl 110 Dk - Pure PA)

Sorry for my bad english~

Stereo
2009-09-01, 06:55 PM
Anyone who knows me knows I have been looking for one since the notice they were released in gMS.

One popped up on bera market at 300mil for 103 atk... and the PA scrolls are only 100mil each. 1bil for a 117/14 Fast polearm? Could be worth it to the right person =x

MasPan
2009-09-01, 07:19 PM
One popped up on bera market at 300mil for 103 atk... and the PA scrolls are only 100mil each. 1bil for a 117/14 Fast polearm? Could be worth it to the right person =x

The surfboard I'd buy at almost any price. The scrolls I refuse to pay more than 25m for. Problem is, with a smaller server, they don't pop up as often. I'd be willing to pay for a server transfer if anyone can get one in another server for me. I'll pay 300m Bellocan mesos. Must be clean.

Christopher
2009-09-01, 10:33 PM
yea good luck.

I'm obviously helping you get it. :f2:

MasPan
2009-09-01, 10:42 PM
Alrighty.
STR: 900
DEX: 135
weapon attack: 260 (with apple, 160 clean)
range (swinging): 8775~12051
attacks per minute (normal speed + booster, right?): 83.333
-925 defense on average
-range after defense: 8220~11588.5
-average damage: 9904.25
-after Fury: 24760.625
-damage per minute: 2063385.4
So if you had 3 sets of arms, all at 30m HP, it would take you 43.62 minutes to take out all the arms.

-1000 defense
-range after defense: 8175~11551
-average damage: 9863
-after Fury: 24657.5
-damage per minute: 2054791.7
With 66m HP, it would take you 32.12 minutes to kill it.

-1100 defense
-range after defense: 8115~11501
-average damage: 9808
-after Fury: 24520
-damage per minute: 2043333.3
With 88m HP, it would take you 43.07 minutes.

-1200 defense
-range after defense: 8055~11451
-average damage: 9753
-after Fury: 24382.5
-damage per minute: 2031875.0
With 110m HP, it would take you 54.14 minutes.

So it would take you 172.95 minutes to kill zakum, or about 2 hours and 53 minutes. That's continually spamming Fury on 3 zakum arms, no getting knocked back, potting, or super defense up, so it would probably take you closer to 4 hours to solo zakum.

And just on a rough estimate, with Blood you'd do about 172/260 of the damage, or take 260/172 times longer, which would be 4 hours, 21 minutes.

Remember than Polearms + Swing uses only the higher end of the damage scale. Average Fury damage with an apple is probably closer to around...say...50k, with highs in the 60ks and lows around 40k. I certainly do more than 25k average Fury with berserk and an apple - hell, I do 25k average without an apple at Zakum.

EmuAlert
2009-09-02, 12:13 AM
Remember than Polearms + Swing uses only the higher end of the damage scale. Average Fury damage with an apple is probably closer to around...say...50k, with highs in the 60ks and lows around 40k. I certainly do more than 25k average Fury with berserk and an apple - hell, I do 25k average without an apple at Zakum.

Crap, apparently the calculator only factored in zerk further down the page, not in the actual range. I got the polearm thing right, but didn't put in zerk, so all those times are halved.

MasPan
2009-09-02, 12:15 AM
Crap, apparently the calculator only factored in zerk further down the page, not in the actual range. I got the polearm thing right, but didn't put in zerk, so all those times are halved.

O.o

So roughly 2 hours (halved from 4)? Holy...
something about that still seems off though...

EmuAlert
2009-09-02, 12:29 AM
O.o

So roughly 2 hours (halved from 4)? Holy...
something about that still seems off though...

It works out on a rough estimate.
Your range is 3575~7972 with blood, which is around 5k~8k for slash. 6.5k average*2*2.5 = 32,500 on average * 83 = 2,697,500 damage per minute. Zakum has 30m+30m+30m+66m+88m+110m = 354,000,000 HP, so you'd take him down in 131 minutes, or a bit over 2 hours.

I'm going to bed.

MasPan
2009-09-02, 12:43 AM
It works out on a rough estimate.
Your range is 3575~7972 with blood, which is around 5k~8k for slash. 6.5k average*2*2.5 = 32,500 on average * 83 = 2,697,500 damage per minute. Zakum has 30m+30m+30m+66m+88m+110m = 354,000,000 HP, so you'd take him down in 131 minutes, or a bit over 2 hours.

That's assuming no wdef, stun, etc, right? If we assume that I am for whatever reason unable to harm him for 1/3 of the time, then add another...40minutes? So just under 3 hours. I certainly hope so, but I'll continue planning for 4hrs+. That means 4000 ginsengs (assuming 1000 used per hour), 450 Sorcs (for use fighting the MP eater arms, which I absolutely HATE, because they require me to bring extra potions so I can restore lost MP without overpotting my zerk), and 500+ all cures. So I need around 50 use slots total, and currently have only expanded use once. 2 more times (+16) ought to cover it. If it ends up being 3 hours, I'd be able to expand only 1 more time and be fine. Of course, I may not end up using all of them, but they're nice to have regardless in case things don't go according to plan.

Stereo
2009-09-02, 10:17 AM
1000/hr seems a bit rough, I don't know how different it is using Berzerk but my Paladin has gone solo for near 2hr of Zakum runs (as a 11x WK) and never used more than ~800 pots. Being a melee character helps of course, since the mobs don't get in the way of attacks and only do a couple hundred touch damage. And I think your Berzerk hp is higher than my old Power Elixir hp (they were cheaper than cheese at the time so why not)

KhainiWest
2009-09-02, 10:26 AM
The surfboard I'd buy at almost any price. The scrolls I refuse to pay more than 25m for. Problem is, with a smaller server, they don't pop up as often. I'd be willing to pay for a server transfer if anyone can get one in another server for me. I'll pay 300m Bellocan mesos. Must be clean.

If you can afford a server transfer you might as well do it yourself. Anytime I want something that's hard to get in a smaller server and isn't mtsable I make a level 20 mule in scania/bera(both if you really want too) Transfer 10k in nx to the mule, buy an owl, see if therse any in that market, if not then megaphone for one. If you fail you go to the next highest pop server. Assuming you didn't start in scania.

If you find someone with the item, get a definite price, find something in bello that's around that price (or multiple things, something easy to resell.). Transfer it via mts between characters. I'd go for glove attacks unhammered, sell it in that server, use the money to purchase said item, buy a server transfer. bada bing bada boom, purple snowboard.

EmuAlert
2009-09-02, 11:13 AM
That's assuming no wdef, stun, etc, right? If we assume that I am for whatever reason unable to harm him for 1/3 of the time, then add another...40minutes? So just under 3 hours. I certainly hope so, but I'll continue planning for 4hrs+. That means 4000 ginsengs (assuming 1000 used per hour), 450 Sorcs (for use fighting the MP eater arms, which I absolutely HATE, because they require me to bring extra potions so I can restore lost MP without overpotting my zerk), and 500+ all cures. So I need around 50 use slots total, and currently have only expanded use once. 2 more times (+16) ought to cover it. If it ends up being 3 hours, I'd be able to expand only 1 more time and be fine. Of course, I may not end up using all of them, but they're nice to have regardless in case things don't go according to plan.

If you couldn't hurt him 1/3 of the time, you'd be doing 2/3 of the regular damage and would take 3/2 times longer. So 196.5 minutes, or 3 hours, 16 minutes. Still, something seems off. I guess we'll just have to compare my times to the time it actually take you to take down the arms.

MasPan
2009-09-05, 10:27 PM
3hours and 30minutes.
used 1500 ginsengs
70 sorcerer elixers
350 all cures
3 gelts
18 apples.

Total exp gain - 9% from arms, 2% from summons, 15% from 3rd body.

Screenshot button broke halfway through, so had to print screen after the death.
Screenshot soon.

http://i26.tinypic.com/2rzxtaf.jpg

USMC
2009-09-05, 10:35 PM
Hrats!!

Blaine
2009-09-05, 10:42 PM
Nice job Mas, congrats.

That's a bit less than 1000 pots per hour though, and what exactly happened to your screenshot button?

Dual
2009-09-05, 10:47 PM
You are indeed awesome my friend.

MasPan
2009-09-05, 10:47 PM
Nice job Mas, congrats.

That's a bit less than 1000 pots per hour though, and what exactly happened to your screenshot button?

Simply stopped working. And it was roughly 500 per hour, nowhere near as heavy as I planned for.

Takebacker
2009-09-05, 10:50 PM
PRO.

Gratz mas.

Rhynot
2009-09-05, 11:55 PM
Gratszzz
No helm scrolling?

Christopher
2009-09-06, 12:00 AM
lol @ me...

anyways grats again man

MasPan
2009-09-06, 12:17 AM
Gratszzz
No helm scrolling?

Nah. No need to, I have 19x accuracy.

WizOaks
2009-09-07, 04:27 PM
Said it in other thread but here works too Grats Bro on such a accompishment for PPA DrKs Everywhere :D

L> Fraps?