Pierce Limit Raised!...

[Truemark]

...but I've already found the new D/C amount.


http://www.impulsetfc.com/images/misc/ms/pierce/189kPierce.jpg



http://www.impulsetfc.com/images/misc/ms/pierce/208kPierce.jpg


So, it looks like the cap was raised from 150k to 200k. I've hit 25+ 150~189 (never could get a ss of anything in the 190 range) and didn't d/c. Hit 200k+ twice and d/c'd.

Better, but still not perfect.

[Aeosyn]

It was all me, baby :wink:

[LazyBui]

Wow, they're sure taking their time with this one. It's not hard to fix. @_@
Why they're going in 50k increments, I don't understand at all.

I feel bad for Marksmen. Always getting owned and rarely getting compensated in any way.

[Harrisonized]

Well, technically, you never need to hit that high anyways, unless you're bossing... just don't use an apple and you can train just as effectively.

[Truemark]

Well, technically, you never need to hit that high anyways, unless you're bossing... just don't use an apple and you can train just as effectively.

You may want to understand how Pierce works before commenting. We need to fully charge pierce to try to kill the first monster in the mob, who gets hit with the weakest part of the attack.

Fully charging pierce then leads to the last monster taking massive damage, which is beyond our control and can lead us to d/c. So while we don't need to hit that high on the last monster, we do have to charge fully to make pierce effective.

I'm using an apple at level 162 with no where close to godly equips. Marksmen in other versions come close to breaking 200k in the screen shots we've seen. So we probably will still run into the problem down the line. Asking Nexon to actually fix it doesn't sound unreasonable.

[Retalion]

Hmmm, when did this happen? There hasnt been an SC recently that would fix it has there? The increase is good but as Trumark says, its still not perfect.

That being said, where would you have to use pierce with apples? I cant think of any situation other than training with apples (which doesnt happen often). There's no boss I can think of that has 6 monsters in a row to hit and whatnot.

Ps. Just curious, but who's stronger? Trumark or Carlos? I know you both have points into hp but... yeah. If Carlos is stronger, is there any chance he can get to 200k without an apple (which would mean the cap isnt practical for normal training still). It'd suck if you'd have to train with a warrior pill instead of a warrior elixir just because the extra attack leads to dcing with the cap =X

[Worthyness]

I assume that, even if their equips were the exact same as well as buffs, Trumark may be weaker due to more Blood building than Xbish?

^^^^ don't trust me on that remark...

But seeing as they both can hit 150k no problem without apples, when they're at higher levels, i am sure both will be able to break 200k easily on a max pierce with/out elixer

[Truemark]

Truemark or Carlos?

Carlos is much stronger. 10 levels ahead + 50 dex + better equips. Although I still own him when it comes to a leg stomp :f2:

[Chameleonic]

:f6: When did they change it?

Time to hassle them again to FIX it once and for all.:f5:

[DrRusty]

wow nice, when did this happen though? wasn't it 150k like 2 weeks ago?

B> removal of 99,999 damage limit cap!!

[Harrisonized]

B> removal of 99,999 damage limit cap!!
DW, in time, your day will come.
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7849/121648517002pq7.jpg

I imagine that the pierce cap of 200K will be removed as well when that patch comes, fixing any problems that we might have at the moment.

[Itay]

This is really nice to see they're fixing it! Did it get raised to 200k last weeks SC?

[Beaner]

yes the new cap is 200k.

also, i have 2-3 points left in hp, i have washed more of it out so my dex is almost back to normal. which is the only reason there is a significant difference in our dmg. i was hitting 150k on weak stuff with lv 27 pierce a couple lvs ago. i have since lved, maxed pierce, and improved some quips. i cant hit 200k yet, but if i apple i most deff will.

[Truemark]

Just keep complaining. They seem to have been listening lately.

http://forum.nexon.net/MAPLESTORY/forums/1380610/ShowThread.aspx#1380610

[Retalion]

This is really nice to see they're fixing it! Did it get raised to 200k last weeks SC?

If it was, I'd question why it took almost a week for the Windian crossbowmen (who are the main testers for the pierce dc) to find out D:

Just curious, but dont you guys ever get annoyed that you waste apples testing if you dc? D: I think you guys have wasted quite a few already =X

[Truemark]

It may have taken me a little longer because I now use a weaker in attack, but faster nishada, and 90%+ of my training comes from bossing.

As for apples, yeah, it does suck to use them, but I've only wasted about 10~15 in total for testing. If it makes our class better in the long run, it's a cost I don't mind incurring.

[Dusk]

God, this whole ordeal is really stupid. Why don't they just raise the cap to 500k, and/or modify Pierce so it does more damage on the first target and doesn't increase by such a ridiculous exponential multiplier?

[Abba26]

Yea, I did a few 180Ks at Zakum summons with an apple. I tried again and dced. Must have been 200K.

[Chameleonic]

God, this whole ordeal is really stupid. Why don't they just raise the cap to 500k, and/or modify Pierce so it does more damage on the first target and doesn't increase by such a ridiculous exponential multiplier?

I'd prefer that. More 1hko's of the first monster would help a lot more than overkilling the last few by 100+k damage.

[Russt]

Indeed.

I believe Pierce damage is capped at around 248k, as in if they trashed the DC cap altogether it would never hit any more than that on the last monster with the highest possible damage range.
Just throwing that out there.

[Beaner]

not 200k yet

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j255/carlos90_photos/MapleStory2008-08-1714-28-40-48.jpg

[Chameleonic]

What do you mean by, not 200k yet?

[Beaner]

i mean i cant hit 200k without an apple,yet.

maxi seen is that 168k

[Technolink]

*fun fact*
You need 9155 + (monster's wdef)/2 max damage to break the 200k limit on the 6th monster.

[Kevvl]

I believe if they made the limit 250k, it'd never be reached outside of deliberately TRYING to reach it (Perfect scrolled gear + apple + Mob of Snails)

[Beaner]

you mean 9.1k range?
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j255/carlos90_photos/MapleStory2008-08-2122-36-32-93.jpg

[Hazzy]

Indeed.

I believe Pierce damage is capped at around 248k, as in if they trashed the DC cap altogether it would never hit any more than that on the last monster with the highest possible damage range.
Just throwing that out there.

o_0
Why 248k?

[Technolink]

you mean 9.1k range?
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j255/carlos90_photos/MapleStory2008-08-2122-36-32-93.jpg

264 watk. Whaaaaat xD. I know you have some atk all the way to the left, is that an apple? 264 Just seems a tad bit... not plausible.

But yes, 9155+wdef/2 will break the limit, but only when that last monster gets your very very max, so yes, your 10212 should be breaking it after wdef is factored in.

With the range in that screenshot against High Dark Stars, you have a ~38% chance to deal 200k+ on the last star.

[Russt]

o_0
Why 248k?
99999 on the first monster, times the amplifier^5. I think I used 1.2x for the amplifier, just to be safe.

Yup, straight from Google calc:
99 999 * (1.2^5) = 248 829.512

[Stereo]

264 watk. Whaaaaat xD. I know you have some atk all the way to the left, is that an apple? 264 Just seems a tad bit... not plausible.

Considering 7 atk capes, 5+ atk shoes, that's possible on a 20 atk glove and a 132 atk Crossbow. With a Dragon Shiner it's possible to hit 143 atk in a perfect case, so it's just extremely above average gear, not impossible.

Haven't seen anything above 8 atk cape + 7 atk shoes but I guess it's possible they exist now, along with a good BWG those would get up to 279 w.atk on a Marksman using Apples, which would be just touching 12k range at level 200. Not sure if it would be possible since the 1st hit would go over 100k with that, but otherwise that range would give around 262000 on the 6th target.

[wobbufet]

Considering 7 atk capes, 5+ atk shoes, that's possible on a 20 atk glove and a 132 atk Crossbow. With a Dragon Shiner it's possible to hit 143 atk in a perfect case, so it's just extremely above average gear, not impossible.

Haven't seen anything above 8 atk cape + 7 atk shoes but I guess it's possible they exist now, along with a good BWG those would get up to 279 w.atk on a Marksman using Apples, which would be just touching 12k range at level 200. Not sure if it would be possible since the 1st hit would go over 100k with that, but otherwise that range would give around 262000 on the 6th target.

Don't forget echo of hero :shine:

[Dusk]

Considering 7 atk capes, 5+ atk shoes, that's possible on a 20 atk glove and a 132 atk Crossbow. With a Dragon Shiner it's possible to hit 143 atk in a perfect case, so it's just extremely above average gear, not impossible.

Haven't seen anything above 8 atk cape + 7 atk shoes but I guess it's possible they exist now, along with a good BWG those would get up to 279 w.atk on a Marksman using Apples, which would be just touching 12k range at level 200. Not sure if it would be possible since the 1st hit would go over 100k with that, but otherwise that range would give around 262000 on the 6th target.
Christ, his gear is nowhere near that godly. It's Marksman Boost + Echo of Hero making his W. Att so high.

Problem is, I can't figure out how much W. Att he has....closest I can get is 144 -> 254 with Apple

(8332~10218)

I'm missing something.

[TugboatWilly]

he already posted his equips: http://www.southperry.net/forums/showpost.php?p=50725&postcount=69

[Beaner]

i wish i had that stuff stereo says

[Technolink]

How much is echo? It seems your using a oynx.

And Sap, who says it has to be 99k, we know from IA that the hits aren't dependent on the first one. So its more like 8.5*1.18^5 + 240 = 2184.59% So to hit 250,000 you need a max damage of 11443. I don't see where the 99k comes into play

Even if they put 99k*1.18^5 is 228ishk (we know its 1.1 or 1.18. We should research that >_>)

[Stereo]

Yeah, I forgot about Marksman Boost (10 atk if it's maxed, which it looks like it is) and Hero's Echo. :\ I guess Bowmen end up with quite a bit of w.atk.

[Technolink]

Yea, that's definately an oynx there now that I look at it closer.

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6751/12pw1.gif

lol, Xbish, if you need an onyx apple to break the limit, I think we're all pretty fine. How many times to you full charge Peirce with a mob of 6 and onyx apple again?
Although it should be raised.

[Beaner]

i didnt expect that ss to draw so muck attention. yes i have apple and echo on. my equips are public and by no means the best around. there are much better equiped marksmen around and i think that we should be able to use an apple or a demon elixer and not dc like evryone else. make the cap 300k or 33mill if nexon going to leave bf as a non boss monster so i can snipe it.

anyways there is a way to get to 250k right? so that should not be the cap, thats all i am saying.

[Technolink]

i didnt expect that ss to draw so muck attention. yes i have apple and echo on. my equips are public and by no means the best around. there are much better equiped marksmen around and i think that we should be able to use an apple or a demon elixer and not dc like evryone else. make the cap 300k or 33mill if nexon going to leave bf as a non boss monster so i can snipe it.

anyways there is a way to get to 250k right? so that should not be the cap, thats all i am saying.

We were all saying that because we couldn't see the apple, so we thought you had 250+ attack xD! (or w/e)

Either way, yes, the cap needs to be raised, but this is far better then 100k at least. We can agree this is at least livable?

[Beaner]

yes the cap is decent now, i can use my pierce without fear as long a si am not appled. and true i dont really use pierce much at HT. i could use it at zakum to kill summons when zakum guards, but then id dc.

btw i didnt take a ss but i did 178k with a 25 attack pot. >_> getting kinda close lol.

[Kevvl]

If Sap's right about the 99k cap preventing damage from reaching past 248k, then we're fine with a 250k cap.

[Technolink]

But it wont prevent it. the 99k isn't base there. Sap's theory will only be true if maple WALLS peirces damage to 99k before applying the multipler, which we don't know if that's true or not. It could just apply it to the first shot.

Easy to test though, if we ever see a second or third shot go past 118k or 139k respectively then its busted, if they stay under then that means 248k would be a wall, which would be good. *Watches as we d/c when we hit the wall*