Red-Nosed Pirate Den 3

[chrome]

After my friend brought it up as a "good bomb spot", I decided to look at the format myself (Well I don't have a screenshot, but I'll get one once I decide to get on MS). The three platforms are a bit more widespread, but it looks like a very nice Arrow Bomb spot similar to how Monkey Forest II training works. From what I observed, you stand on the rail so that you're able to shoot the middle platform and Bomb splash will hit the other two. If any Ranger (I'm a Sniper, lol) could test this out with Bomb, I'd be happy.

[Russt]

I've heard of the place, but as an AR/E bot spot.

Try using Blizzard. If it can hit them all, then Bomb can too.

[chrome]

Blizzard can only hit the bottom row, but Blizzard splash doesn't go that much up. I dunno, I'll test it.

[Retalion]

Could you perhaps get a screenshot? I remember the map and found it pretty mediocre for training (but that's just me). Then again, I didnt use bomb. I used rain, lol. From what I remember, map 2 was always better for rain first than the third map though I suppose if you're using bomb, it can be good pre-3rd job. Then again, the thing that's different with these than with zlupins is that zlupins have a decent hp/exp ratio. These have one of the worst in game that's only justifiable by the insane spawn.

[Worthyness]

If it is the spot I'm thinking of (the one map past the popular pirate map; 3rd map after the pirate PQ portal) then the railing is a godsendd to the Archer class...

With rain, i can snipe all 3 platforms. Bomb can't hit all 3 at once, but can hit multiple platforms i believe.
How would one go with dealing with the ones below you that are aggro'd?
Are we assuming you have some rain in the build?

keep in mind i wasn't here at this map until i had 30 rain =P

[chrome]

Well I recently tested it out (Was busy yesterday), and yeah, Bomb can't hit all three platforms but the bottom two. I'm not sure what could be done about the ground floor or top platform mobs, but I'll pay another visit today and post results if I can get any, unless someone wants to help. I mean, I'm a Sniper. >_>

[Salguod]

I just tested it out (as a 89 ranger) and I don't think it is a good spot, and I think it would be worse without rain. I didn't check my exp rates as I wasn't there for long nor would it be useful considering my level.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5917/maple0003wo7.jpg

The zone I circled as 1(basically the area around the stairs, kind of covered by my character but you should be able to see it) is about the spot where you can usually hit all three platforms(A, B, and C), as shown below, when arrow bombing from the railing.

Railing:
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/8493/maple0004ep0.jpg

You need to be near the middle of the railing, as too high will hit only the top two platforms, and too low will hit only the bottom two, lead to bow whacks, and occasionally get absorbed by the stairs.
You can only hit 3 platforms if there is a pirate near area 1 on the middle platform. In addition if it's too far to the left, it tends to get absorbed, and if it's too far to the right, you might MB/bow whack.
You cannot hit the bottom platform from that spot on the railing with AB. This bad since the bottom has the best spawn. I had to use rain to clear them out, but ABing from the left side works as well, if ineffective.
As you can see from the minmap, there is another half of the bottom platform to the right of the ship. While it is flat, it's rather wide, so ABing will not hit them all unless you group them together ( rain does well, but PKB still doesn't work often enough and is ineffective given the size of the pirates). Bottom platform pirates like to gather up over there..so you have to clean them out often to revive the spawn.
The very top platform, which I did not give a letter to, can only be reached by climbing up there.
The pot cost didn't seem to be lower than Pirates Den 2, and you don't seem to be able to kill nearly as many pirates.



Conclusion: If you don't have rain, don't bother and go to DS/strafe spots. If you have rain, don't bother and go to Den 2.


Edit: One thing I forgot to mention, the pirates need to be positioned well, kind of aligned, if you want to hit all three platforms.

[Worthyness]

If you rain from that spot, you can hit the ones on the bottom platform "under" the ship as well. also that spot allows you to hit 4 platforms (i forgot there was more.) Iand to kill the top most platform, climb the rope and strafe them to death... I found that the pig is helpful here too (or at least some speed) as the pirates at the bottom tend to group >>>>> on the map behind the ship.

Rain = okay here. SECOND map is better. This map is for secondary training only, like if all your maps are gone during server wide 2x exp events =P

ANd the exp i believe is a bit slower here...

Edit: the map i referenced to is the 2nd map, not the first. the first one has crocs on it, the second is pure pirates, the third is the one with the pictures in this thread.

[Retalion]

If you rain from that spot, you can hit the ones on the bottom platform "under" the ship as well. also that spot allows you to hit 4 platforms (i forgot there was more.) Iand to kill the top most platform, climb the rope and strafe them to death... I found that the pig is helpful here too (or at least some speed) as the pirates at the bottom tend to group >>>>> on the map behind the ship.

Rain = okay here. Frtst map is better. This map is for secondary training only, like if all your maps are gone during server wide 2x exp events =P

ANd the exp i believe is a bit slower here...

You mean the 2nd map xD And Salgoud, thanks for checking it out (I was busy the whole weekend). It confirmed what I remembered: The map is highly situational and the spawn that you can actually hit with bomb is limited.

[Technolink]

There's a 3 step process to the only reason map 3 exists.

1. Stand in the middle of the rail (you can't be hit)
2. Put your lvl 21+ ae/r on a comfortable key and hold it down
3. Have a pet loot

The map is an easy money maker. 0 hp pots and a sizable amount of money. Although the spawn isn't exactely self revitalizing, you have to stop ae/ring every now and then.

I clocked about 8%/hour there, hut also close to 500-750k/hour profiet.

[Retalion]

There's a 3 step process to the only reason map 3 exists.

1. Stand in the middle of the rail (you can't be hit)
2. Put your lvl 21+ ae/r on a comfortable key and hold it down
3. Have a pet loot

The map is an easy money maker. 0 hp pots and a sizable amount of money. Although the spawn isn't exactely self revitalizing, you have to stop ae/ring every now and then.

I clocked about 8%/hour there, hut also close to 500-750k/hour profiet.

If its not too much to ask, how does that compare to your training at Red Nose Pirate Den II? Im asking in terms of both meso gain and %.

[Technolink]

More money, less exp.

Den 3 is nice because you can pretty much fall asleep. Like newts basically.

[Russt]

2nd platform sniping newts*
Or mages' ultimate spamming newts, I guess, but that's not relevant.

[Dusk]

More money, less exp.

Den 3 is nice because you can pretty much fall asleep. Like newts basically.

I find Den 2 better for money because I get much more kills there. Then again, I'm only taking ~100 damage and have 212 avoid. Den 3 would probably be better for money for lower levels.

[Zye]

I started training here as soon as I picked up 1 rain. You should be fine if you just stand on the railing like this or so.

http://wisdomofzen.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/maple-0035-edit.jpg

[Retalion]

I started training here as soon as I picked up 1 rain. You should be fine if you just stand on the railing like this or so.

http://wisdomofzen.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/maple-0035-edit.jpg

Hmmm, it seems to me that this place could be good for rangers with a low level'd rain and max bomb (of course you'd have maxed bomb): Bomb to hit <<<< while rain can be used to finish off the monsters that get below you. Its a good alternative from Red Nose Pirate Den 2, which in the early levels would just eat your pot money like no tomorrow... Any 72 ranger want to try this out for me? xD

[Allen]

bombing may stun, perhaps 1 point in inferno?

[Technolink]

stunning is okay, as long as they stay in range.

I know I used strafe every now and then when there wasn't enough spawn to constitute an AE, but otherwise the AE/R half of the map is fairly constant.

[Retalion]

bombing may stun, perhaps 1 point in inferno?

Allen, the point of bomb is to hit the monsters that are up there on the ledge across from where you're sniping. They dont come in range of AR/AE so you'd have to hit them with a non-"AOE" attack. Bomb would deal more damage than inferno so that would probably be used to kill that platform.

*I really should go test this out before making further comments on this, lololo*

[Lozmaster]

Hmmm, it seems to me that this place could be good for rangers with a low level'd rain and max bomb (of course you'd have maxed bomb): Bomb to hit <<<< while rain can be used to finish off the monsters that get below you. Its a good alternative from Red Nose Pirate Den 2, which in the early levels would just eat your pot money like no tomorrow... Any 72 ranger want to try this out for me? xD

73 but because I was so nice I tested this before putting rain up to 4.

Before any killing.
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/9764/piratestestzf2.png

20 Mins of training at den 3 with suggested method.
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5986/piratestest2ye5.png
(+about 100k exp, + approx 74k meso , 46 pizzas used)

20 mins at den 2 immediatly after above SS.
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/8752/piratestest3af7.png

Almost exact same exp + meso gain, 60 pizzas used.