Ask a Warrior Thread.

[Jason]

What is the "Ask a Warrior Thread?"

It is a thread (hopefully sticked!) that will allow you to ask as many questions you can ask to the Warriors of Maple. They will try their best to answer your question/concern.

How do I do this?

All you have to do post your question/concern. It would be very helpful if the question was to the point, specific, and preferably readable! It's just so that the Warriors can understand you. :D

Example questions:


Should I get Spear Crusher or Polearm Fury first?
Is Rage still useful?
Should I use a Rigbol, a Sparta, or Dragon Claymore?
Should I go Hybrid?

Basic Information:


A Warrior's primary and only stat is Strength.
Accuracy is very important for a Warrior to be able to hit a certain monster they are training on.

1 Dex=.8 Accuracy
1 Luck=.5 Accuracy
1 Point of Mastery=1 Accuracy



Frequently asked questions: (coming soon)

[Tiffany]

Where to train as a warrior from levels 60~90?

[Mira]

Where to train as a warrior from levels 60~90?

What class? It depends on your class of warrior. ^^

[Tiffany]

What class? It depends on your class of warrior. ^^
Oh yeah forgot. Fighter/Crusader.

[wobbufet]

I'd say 60 ~ 75 at either STDs or Voodoo/Hoodoo, after that you could move to either wolf spiders, dual ghost pirates, death teddies or kentaurus.

[Normalizer]

I was wondering about achilles. I have 14 points in it at the moment but I really don't see much of a diffference. It appears I take just as much damage as a warrior without it. Someone suggested the damage seen does not reflect the actual damage taken. Any truth to that? I've put off putting any more points into it and will be maxing Rush instead... currently at 23. Then it'll be either Achilles or Monster Magnet. Even if Achilles doesn't do much... it's got to be better than Monster Magnet.

[Mira]

Oh yeah forgot. Fighter/Crusader.

Well, I was at zombies from 57-66(maybe 67) beacuse that was all I had. I think v/hoodoos are better exp then zombies for 6x classes. ^^ From 67-70 I was at FOG. FOG was awsome. ^^ I went back there till about 75, and that's when I went to DT's(Death teddies) till 80. 80~86 I went to duals and either soloed or partied. At 87 I went to gobies till 94. ^^ After that, if your wondering, I went to himes. xP

[Spaz]

I was wondering about achilles. I have 14 points in it at the moment but I really don't see much of a diffference. It appears I take just as much damage as a warrior without it. Someone suggested the damage seen does not reflect the actual damage taken. Any truth to that? I've put off putting any more points into it and will be maxing Rush instead... currently at 23. Then it'll be either Achilles or Monster Magnet. Even if Achilles doesn't do much... it's got to be better than Monster Magnet.
I recall seeing something like on Sleepywood. Check how the amount actually subtracted from your HP compares with the number on the screen.

[Hero]

I was wondering about achilles. I have 14 points in it at the moment but I really don't see much of a diffference. It appears I take just as much damage as a warrior without it. Someone suggested the damage seen does not reflect the actual damage taken. Any truth to that? I've put off putting any more points into it and will be maxing Rush instead... currently at 23. Then it'll be either Achilles or Monster Magnet. Even if Achilles doesn't do much... it's got to be better than Monster Magnet.

I'm pretty sure someone said the numbers you see are the same because otherwise, PG wouldn't be at it's full potential. But you still take less damage, you actually take less than is shown. Try getting hit without PG and see how much goes off your HP, and then with. It'd be nice to confirm this.

As for Achilles vs Monster Magnet, honestly, Monster magnet is a waste of time. Why get something to drag them towards you, when you can rush instead, gain movement, avoid M.ATK's and do damage on the way? Plus ofcourse the fact you keep HP after being 1/1'd with Achilles, I'd say achilles is best.

[HiiEN]

I was wondering about achilles. I have 14 points in it at the moment but I really don't see much of a diffference. It appears I take just as much damage as a warrior without it. Someone suggested the damage seen does not reflect the actual damage taken. Any truth to that? I've put off putting any more points into it and will be maxing Rush instead... currently at 23. Then it'll be either Achilles or Monster Magnet. Even if Achilles doesn't do much... it's got to be better than Monster Magnet.
No it's true. The damage seen in the orange numbers don't reflect the damage you take in your HP bar. Also if I can recall right Achilles also protects against magic damage, although it doesn't say so. If you really want to see results, go on a boss run and have them use a 1/1 attack on you. You'll notice your HP won't get reduced to 1, but rather subtract the percentage and leave that much HP. So if you had 30,000 HP, and took a 1/1, you'd have approximately 4500 HP remaining instead of 1 even though your damage sustained might read as 29,999.

[Zaotsu]

Where to train as a warrior from levels 60~90?


You could try out Gryphons at Mountain Cliffs as another alternative to STD's and V/Hoodoos, especially if either of the two maps are crowded.

[Pyroticwater]

What's hp washing and what does it do?

[Hero]

What's hp washing and what does it do?

Each time you level, you gain 5 AP yeah? People put those into HP, and since HP/MP count as the same, they reset them out of MP into their main stat (Warriors, STR.) That way they gain more HP each level.

[Pyroticwater]

I see, but wouldn't that mean you'd have much less mp if you did that?

[Hero]

I see, but wouldn't that mean you'd have much less mp if you did that?

Pretty much, yeah. But that's why people wear INT gear in order to gain more MP per level up. I think 20 INT = 2 mp extra per level up, and each reset is around -4? I'm not sure on these numbers since I don't HP wash myself, but you get the idea.

[HiiEN]

Pretty much, yeah. But that's why people wear INT gear in order to gain more MP per level up. I think 20 INT = 2 mp extra per level up, and each reset is around -4? I'm not sure on these numbers since I don't HP wash myself, but you get the idea.
Speaking of which, I found an HP washing guide from mSEA, I'll repost it as a new thread.

[Germ]

How long would it take a 8x WK to hit the HP cap if they HP washed? 40-50 levels?

[HiiEN]

How long would it take a 8x WK to hit the HP cap if they HP washed? 40-50 levels?
It depends on your starting base and whether or not you use int gear (and the quality of it) each time you level. Check here (http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=660) for the math equations and add to your base per level etc. to determine the max level. Judging from your start at 8x, you'd reach the cap fairly early.

[ThisIsSal]

Anyone know what range is required to 2hko skeles, zerk 20, with some degree of stability?

[Mega]

What is the %/hr i would get at himes for a lvl 100Dk with Fury? What is the %/hr with and w/o a priest,and what equips are recomended?

[ThisIsSal]

soloing i got about 6m/h on 2x at 10x. splitting with a 13x priest yielded 8m/h on 2x, probably 7m-8m with a low level priest midmobbing.

equips recommended...? i don't understand that question. a decent polearm, decent att gloves, and enough acc to hit the himes o.O

[Mega]

soloing i got about 6m/h on 2x at 10x. splitting with a 13x priest yielded 8m/h on 2x, probably 7m-8m with a low level priest midmobbing.

equips recommended...? i don't understand that question. a decent polearm, decent att gloves, and enough acc to hit the himes o.O

What % is 7mil exp?

[Zaotsu]

What % is 7mil exp?

Depends on your level of course. At 100 it's about 68% an hour, at 110 it's about 40% an hour - Remember though, that's with 2x exp.

[BennyTheBull]

What should I buy next?

:o

3x Fighter

6/61 sword.
11 att WG.
13 dex/3 acc Bathrobe
11 dex earrings
6 acc shoes
4 dex 15 acc dana.
6 Str cape.

I got my zhelm paid for btw.

I'll have 76 mil once I sell something.

[LolPirate]

What should i upgrade next?

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm179/Picblahx/Untitled-1.jpg

[Zaotsu]

What should I buy next?

:o

3x Fighter

6/61 sword.
11 att WG.
13 dex/3 acc Bathrobe
11 dex earrings
6 acc shoes
4 dex 15 acc dana.
6 Str cape.

I got my zhelm paid for btw.

I'll have 76 mil once I sell something.


What's your base dex? Your equips are fine for now, if anything, possibly an attack cape for your 5x, or just saving up for a Chainmail / DBR in the future. Really all depends on how much base you have atm.


What should i upgrade next?

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm179/Picblahx/Untitled-1.jpg


I'd definitely say your sword first, +7 100% on a level 90 weapon is most definitely not good. Aim for around at least 107-110 att. Save up for a better Cape after that, STR scrolled, preferably a PAC.

[BennyTheBull]

@Zaotsu

I upgraded my equips after merching a bit and selling nx, they are now:

24/11 Chainmail
12 att WG
9/79 Zard
8 STR IC2
9 acc RSS
11 Dex earrings
4/15 Brown Dana.

My base dex is 4 btw.

['Lexy]

What should i upgrade next?

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm179/Picblahx/Untitled-1.jpg

The sword first, then the cape.
Finally, upgrade your top/bottom [or just the top, seeing as you have 60 base dex], and your equips will be semi-on-par with your zakum helm.

[Zaotsu]

@Zaotsu

I upgraded my equips after merching a bit and selling nx, they are now:

24/11 Chainmail
12 att WG
9/79 Zard
8 STR IC2
9 acc RSS
11 Dex earrings
4/15 Brown Dana.

My base dex is 4 btw.


Perfectly fine for a whlie I'd say, just make sure to keep enough money for your ZHelm. If anything, a PAC would be what you can focus on that's in the reasonable range for items.

[BennyTheBull]

Perfectly fine for a whlie I'd say, just make sure to keep enough money for your ZHelm. If anything, a PAC would be what you can focus on that's in the reasonable range for items.

I was considering getting a PAC, but will that 2att>10 speed?

[Xelstyle]

I was considering getting a PAC, but will that 2att>10 speed?

You should probably wait until you have enough money for a 3att, 8 STR PAC.
Aside from accuracy, speed is one of the warrior's greatest weakness.

[HiiEN]

I solved that issue by integrating my mount, took me a number of tries (lots of deaths) but I got the hang of it. If you're funded, I don't think a 2att costs that much even, and the higher level you are, the greater the benefit is. I look at att bonuses as multipliers. So in my opinion, yes I think you should get the cape.

[kleptophobia]

Why don't most warriors name their weapons? Isn't a bit impersonal to use it to kill thousands of monsters and not name their weapons! I named mine Tizona, after El Cid's legendary swords. A guild-mate of mine named his spear "The Spear of Destiny"...So are we strange or do other warriors do it to? It make me like I'm actually playing an RPG...=]

[Mira]

Why don't most warriors name their weapons? Isn't a bit impersonal to use it to kill thousands of monsters and not name their weapons! I named mine Tizona, after El Cid's legendary swords. A guild-mate of mine named his spear "The Spear of Destiny"...So are we strange or do other warriors do it to? It make me like I'm actually playing an RPG...=]

I don't name my swords. I had one for about a year, and I never named it. T_T It would of been to hard to let it go if I did, I think.

[kleptophobia]

So impersonal! But at any rate I'm still thinking of a name for my Sparta/Fraute (Not sure what I'll be getting yet)... "Knossos" perhaps.

['Lexy]

Why don't most warriors name their weapons? Isn't a bit impersonal to use it to kill thousands of monsters and not name their weapons! I named mine Tizona, after El Cid's legendary swords. A guild-mate of mine named his spear "The Spear of Destiny"...So are we strange or do other warriors do it to? It make me like I'm actually playing an RPG...=]

I named my spear 'Damn it, there goes my life's savings!"
:/

[kleptophobia]

Hmm, that would be a good name for my sparta/fraute! Although it seems like some what of a strange name D:

Off-topic: On my hermit I named my Shadow Partner "Molotov", because he always relied on brute force diplomacy =].

[Wani]

Anyone know what range is required to 2hko skeles, zerk 20, with some degree of stability?

Nobody answered this guy! My max range is about 6000 and I 1h the little skeles most of the time and the big ones fairly often too. I would say maybe 6100 or 6200?

[Kalovale]

Nobody answered this guy! My max range is about 6000 and I 1h the little skeles most of the time and the big ones fairly often too. I would say maybe 6100 or 6200?

Someone asked a similar question at SW, exact question was:

"What dmg range is needed to 100% 2hit-kill Skeles with Berserk20?"

According to theoretical work, minimal thurst normal-attack dmg needed to 2 hit ko Skeles should be: 85k/2hits/3pokes/1.7berserk/1.7crusher = 4.9k

According to my own experiments, minimal thrust damage = 73% maximal (with 80% mastery) => maximum damage range needed = 4.9k/0.73 = 6.715k

So any range around xxxx~67xx should be able to 2 hit kill Skeles with Berserk20 99.99%

[HiiEN]

Nobody answered this guy! My max range is about 6000 and I 1h the little skeles most of the time and the big ones fairly often too. I would say maybe 6100 or 6200?
Wait you 1h?, I was thinking maybe 2h might be with zerk30 based on a 6200 range at best, but you'd need around 600 more max damage to 2hko with zerk20, I had 20 for awhile so I could say that based on experience.

[Xelstyle]

I named my spear 'Damn it, there goes my life's savings!"
:/

I named my Beholder, "Frank"

But a little more on topic, 67xx as a max seems really hard to achieve...


Does Beholder's Mastery show in your damage range by the way?
I remember seeing no, but I want to make sure.

[butterfλi]

I named my Beholder, "Frank"

But a little more on topic, 67xx as a max seems really hard to achieve...


Does Beholder's Mastery show in your damage range by the way?
I remember seeing no, but I want to make sure.

I think no because 2nd job weapon mastery would show as well... and that doesn't.

[HiiEN]

I named my Beholder, "Frank"

But a little more on topic, 67xx as a max seems really hard to achieve...


Does Beholder's Mastery show in your damage range by the way?
I remember seeing no, but I want to make sure.
67xx isn't that hard if you include maple warrior into the range, but then again I guess it depends on your character level but if you're dexless it goes a long way in boosting the effectiveness of maple warrior. Oh and if you're taking about weapon and beholder mastery, if you're talking about what I think you're talking about, then it does add into the range passively. If you put points to raise % and watch your damage range, it will go up in the minimum, but it won't affect maximum. It'll just narrow the gap in the horrendously wide damage range for spears/polearms.

[HayO]

I named my Beholder, "Frank"

But a little more on topic, 67xx as a max seems really hard to achieve...


Does Beholder's Mastery show in your damage range by the way?
I remember seeing no, but I want to make sure.


I believe you where able to see your min range going up when adding points into Beholder, the reason you cant see the difference when its on or off is because its proven that you also get the mastery when its off.

[(D-_-)-D]

as a 114 sader.
What's the best wyvren map to split with a AM or bish?

[HiiEN]

as a 114 sader.
What's the best wyvren map to split with a AM or bish?
I forgot the name, but there was a hidden street red wyvern map that had a pretty fast spawn for 2 characters splitting. I know you could find it in a dark wyvern map on top somewhere, but yeah hope you know what I mean, maybe you could find it.

[Alderon]

I just hit 34 on my Low-DEX Warrior. Right now, I'm sitting on 65 ACC with Sniper Pills, with 14 base DEX. It might go higher soon, all depends on if anyone starts selling Cape DEX scrolls in the FM on Bellocan =(

So what ACC should I be looking to have before going into CPQ? I've just been grinding Sakuras until now, but want to jump into CPQ as soon as I can.

[Beserker101]

Why don't most warriors name their weapons? Isn't a bit impersonal to use it to kill thousands of monsters and not name their weapons! I named mine Tizona, after El Cid's legendary swords. A guild-mate of mine named his spear "The Spear of Destiny"...So are we strange or do other warriors do it to? It make me like I'm actually playing an RPG...=]

I've always wanted a black sword to name "Testament" for some reason, I don't know why.

Anyways, I was wondering to myself when thinking about HP washing. Is it possible to take out of MP (if it is above the bare minimum that you are required to have) without ever having put in points to either HP or MP? Kind of like stealing points to put into STR.

[HiiEN]

I've always wanted a black sword to name "Testament" for some reason, I don't know why.

Anyways, I was wondering to myself when thinking about HP washing. Is it possible to take out of MP (if it is above the bare minimum that you are required to have) without ever having put in points to either HP or MP? Kind of like stealing points to put into STR.
No, since you didn't put points in there's nothing to take out, it's like saying you want to reset out of 4 base. So if you tried to take points out, you'd be going into negative AP values. So to do it, you have to put points into HP first, then you can reset out of MP.

[Xelstyle]

I just hit 34 on my Low-DEX Warrior. Right now, I'm sitting on 65 ACC with Sniper Pills, with 14 base DEX. It might go higher soon, all depends on if anyone starts selling Cape DEX scrolls in the FM on Bellocan =(

So what ACC should I be looking to have before going into CPQ? I've just been grinding Sakuras until now, but want to jump into CPQ as soon as I can.


You should try using one of the accuracy calculators.
As far as I know, all the monsters summoned will have the same stats as the "wild" ones.
Unless they get buffs of course.

[kleptophobia]

Why aren't there one-handed spears? Historically hoplites used a spear and a shield... Also Final Attack mentions one handed spears.

[Hero]

Why aren't there one-handed spears? Historically hoplites used a spear and a shield... Also Final Attack mentions one handed spears.

They literally copy/pasted final attack's description. Look at powerstrike and you'll see it says it's only use-able with swords. Stop expecting nexon to make sense, kay?

[kleptophobia]

They literally copy/pasted final attack's description. Look at powerstrike and you'll see it says it's only use-able with swords. Stop expecting nexon to make sense, kay?

Nexon/Wizet is so mean for not updating out of date descriptions. But really most spear men through-out history were 1 handed... Triarii, Hoplites, any unit that was part of a Phalanx (besides the Macedons who used sarissas and bucklers)... Why can't MS have 1h spear men =[

[Stereo]

Actually they degraded that description, it used to be correct and now it mentions 1-handed and 2-handed because they copy/pasted their updated descriptions from the other warrior classes and just replaced 'sword' with 'spear'.

[ZYXWVUT]

Why is there no HP warrior thread?

[Spaz]

I'm a level 133 hero...what's the next step after himes? Nest golems?

[kleptophobia]

I'm not sure but I'd stick with himes until you find a bishop O_o. Then head over to Skeles, might be more difficult to do in Scania though...

HP Warriors are the workers of the devil@ZYXWVUT.

[Hero]

I'm a level 133 hero...what's the next step after himes? Nest golems?

Have you tried wyverns yet? The red wyvern hidden-street is extremely good with rush, although it might be somewhat equal to himes. But less hassle.

You can always try peak of the big nest or the 2nd newt map. It's a pot burn, but I've timed all 3 maps one would solo on past 150 (The popular skele map, peak, and 2nd newt map) and the latter of those is actually best.

[DrRusty]

Nexon/Wizet is so mean for not updating out of date descriptions. But really most spear men through-out history were 1 handed... Triarii, Hoplites, any unit that was part of a Phalanx (besides the Macedons who used sarissas and bucklers)... Why can't MS have 1h spear men =[

alot of people from 300 were a 1H spearman too =(

[kleptophobia]

alot of people from 300 were a 1H spearman too =( Spartans soldiers were hoplites ;D they used slaves (Helots) as ranged fighters, or light infantry. Anyways I hope they make 1h spears, cause really it'd be sweet :o

[ImagineAll]

Spartans soldiers were hoplites ;D they used slaves (Helots) as ranged fighters, or light infantry. Anyways I hope they make 1h spears, cause really it'd be sweet :oJon...quit over thinking shit and just play the game.:f3:

[kleptophobia]

Jon...quit over thinking shit and just play the game.:f3: No you...

Another question: Why don't warriors ever get physical attacks (punches and kicks, preferably with your armor on) ? Because they were saving them all for infighters?

[HiiEN]

No you...

Another question: Why don't warriors ever get physical attacks (punches and kicks, preferably with your armor on) ? Because they were saving them all for infighters?
I don't recall a type of warrior that used any kinds of punches or kicks with armor; just by observation the armor would hinder free movement of the arms and legs. And yes they were probably saving it for the infighters.

[kleptophobia]

Well a question that will actually help me now: I'm finally level 52 and getting a zakum helmet on Thursday, provided I'll have ~125 accuracy and a damage range up to ~1750 where should I train? These are the monsters I could think of ...
-FoG
-Voodoos/Hoodoos
-Griffons
-STDs
-Zombies (Do people still train here?)
or LMPQ

[Hero]

Well a question that will actually help me now: I'm finally level 52 and getting a zakum helmet on Thursday, provided I'll have ~125 accuracy and a damage range up to ~1750 where should I train? These are the monsters I could think of ...
-FoG
-Voodoos/Hoodoos
-Griffons
-STDs
-Zombies (Do people still train here?)
or LMPQ

LMPQ will net you the most meso and decent exp, but it'll get boring rather fast. FoG is bad for most classes, however since warriors can mob, it shouldn't be too bad. Voodoo/hoodoo will most likely be the best exp, but crowded with many idiots. Griffons are good too and can be better than v/hoodoos, however you'll have to pay attention all the time you train there. STDs are a weaker version of v/hoodoos really, and a bit less crowded.

[kleptophobia]

Yeah I've been doing griffons for the last 3 levels, they physically drain me :f4: but I think I'll be able to get a Voodoo/Hoodoo map I'm quite dedicated. Oh and I noticed you didn't mention zombies, what has happened to zombies ? >=\

Thanks :glitter:

[Lylac]

Zombie maps were turned to rubbish over a year and a half ago. No one trains there anymore when there are better alternatives.

[HiiEN]

Zombie maps were turned to rubbish over a year and a half ago. No one trains there anymore when there are better alternatives.
Yeah, the layout of the actual maps were completely ruined, plus there are better monsters with an HP:EXP ratio now.

[Trinity]

Lotsa dexless warrior questions.


i have a 10dex bathrobe
8 acc helm clean
35 dex, plan to cap at 40.


what should i buy or ect to get acc. How much do i generally need? I have Theif Elixers (+9 acc for 8 min) for job advance, will i need more?

how much do i need to generally hit in cpq?

what equips are cheapest for acc?

[HiiEN]

Lotsa dexless warrior questions.


i have a 10dex bathrobe
8 acc helm clean
35 dex, plan to cap at 40.


what should i buy or ect to get acc. How much do i generally need? I have Theif Elixers (+9 acc for 8 min) for job advance, will i need more?

how much do i need to generally hit in cpq?

what equips are cheapest for acc?
Zhelm is best for your money. I would save for one asap. It also adds str bonus so you don't have to sacrifice damage for accuracy.

[XtremeBeast]

Lotsa dexless warrior questions.


i have a 10dex bathrobe
8 acc helm clean
35 dex, plan to cap at 40.


what should i buy or ect to get acc. How much do i generally need? I have Theif Elixers (+9 acc for 8 min) for job advance, will i need more?

how much do i need to generally hit in cpq?

what equips are cheapest for acc?

Use a maple weapon...you'll have enough acc.

[Cyanne]

Is a 2-handed sword better overall than a polearm in 1st job or vice versa? I'm under the impression that they're about equal but result in different handling, but I just want to make sure.

[Noob]

i think 2h is more stable and polarm is more range its w/e you like

[HiiEN]

Is a 2-handed sword better overall than a polearm in 1st job or vice versa? I'm under the impression that they're about equal but result in different handling, but I just want to make sure.
The 2h is more stable like Noob says, however the polearm has a higher max damage but is more unstable because the minimum is lower. Also the physical reach of the polearm is greater than a 2h sword, but you make a sacrifice because if it's not a slash, all polearm stabs are greatly weakened. Swords deal the same amount of damage regardless of slashing or stabbing, while polearms, if I remember, have a 2/3 chance of slashing rather than stabbing (even though there are 2 stab animations compared to 1 slash).

[Xelstyle]

Is a 2-handed sword better overall than a polearm in 1st job or vice versa? I'm under the impression that they're about equal but result in different handling, but I just want to make sure.

In addition to Hiien's points, you should also remember about the weapon speed difference.
From my knowledge, I believe that most PAs in the lower levels are slow (8), meaning they are much slower than your level 40+ PAs.

[Colyo]

FA or no FA on a hybrid spearman? Does FA really speed up training?

[Stereo]

It depends how you train, it speeds up single target attacks but doesn't improve mobbing.

[Kalovale]

It depends how you train, it speeds up single target attacks but doesn't improve mobbing.

Could you go to a bit details here?

[Nikkey]

Could you go to a bit details here?

against 1 or 2 monsters, final attack is efficient. Over 2 monsters, and normal slash blast is better.

[Kalovale]

against 1 or 2 monsters, final attack is efficient. Over 2 monsters, and normal slash blast is better.

Is it due to damage reduction as SB hits more monsters on the back? So instead of wasting time for a FA, casting a new SB would be more efficient?

[HiiEN]

Is it due to damage reduction as SB hits more monsters on the back? So instead of wasting time for a FA, casting a new SB would be more efficient?
Yeah, the damage reduction on FA with multiple monsters is a killer with SB, so it depends on what you're training on. If you plan on using SB a lot, don't put any points into FA.

[Judgment]

How much W.ATK would a W.ATK scrolled shield have to be for a 1-Hander to have the same attack range as a 2-Hander? (For example, I have a 118 W.ATK Battle Hammer. How much W.ATK would my shield have to be to have the same damage range as say, a 118 W.ATK Morningstar?)

[Nikkey]

How much W.ATK would a W.ATK scrolled shield have to be for a 1-Hander to have the same attack range as a 2-Hander? (For example, I have a 118 W.ATK Battle Hammer. How much W.ATK would my shield have to be to have the same damage range as say, a 118 W.ATK Morningstar?)

That differs. In total attack, you need 9% more than a 2-hander, assuming both bws have the same speed. Basically, if you have 118 atk morningstar, 14 atk bwg, 4 atk cape and a 12 welixir pot (148 total watk), you need 162 (rounded up) total attack with a 1-hander to beat that damage. That answers to a 14 atk shield.

(nb, this is without the speed difference. With the speed difference, you may notice an even higher damage difference)

[Mega]

Where is the best place for a lvl 113 Dk train from lvl 113-120?

[kleptophobia]

Himes...
I think that still is the fastest for PA DK, Spear DK not so sure, but I'd imagine the same (possibly newties?).

[fiftyschmooo]

Where is the best place for a lvl 113 Dk train from lvl 113-120?

Himes if your attacking, not sure if any Skpt would take you since its gonna take you like 19 hits to kill em


Yeah, the damage reduction on FA with multiple monsters is a killer with SB, so it depends on what you're training on. If you plan on using SB a lot, don't put any points into FA.

It's really a moot point to not to get FA cause your never killing only 6 monsters at a time you will be @ 1's and 2's and 3's a lot and the speed that FA helps more then makes up for the damage reduction as you go on, Not to mention when you are gettin to stronger monsters (FoG?, Voodoos?) that you will be using Power Strike a lot, and FA will help there so much from the speed


Lotsa dexless warrior questions.

i have a 10dex bathrobe
8 acc helm clean
35 dex, plan to cap at 40.

what should i buy or ect to get acc. How much do i generally need? I have Theif Elixers (+9 acc for 8 min) for job advance, will i need more?

how much do i need to generally hit in cpq?

what equips are cheapest for acc?
A better dex overall would net you some major acc (but from seeing that your going to do the 2nd job advance it looks liek, your under lvl 30 so that kinda ruins that till 30 or 35(whatever a Blue CrusaderChainMail's lvl is) other than that, a cheap acc boost could be for a Dex and Acc Work Glove (for a few mill) and also there is 10 acc pills in Ludi (1 more acc than the 9 acc pots from nlc) or even Maple Pops (leik 100 acc for a min or something) or like ... a Amorian Basket (30 or 40 acc) you shoulds need that much tho

[Mega]

[QUOTE=fiftyschmooo;50477]Himes if your attacking, not sure if any Skpt would take you since its gonna take you like 19 hits to kill em

I kill skeles in 7-8 hits,and himes are slow now is there any other possible place to get better exp then himes?

[HiiEN]

I kill skeles in 7-8 hits,and himes are slow now is there any other possible place to get better exp then himes?
Himes are better if you have PA fury especially. I recommend you stay in himes until 13x or until you can 2hko skeles (unless you find a party willing to take you early).

[Kalas]

I kill skeles in 7-8 hits,and himes are slow now is there any other possible place to get better exp then himes?


Lol, David... you should of just asked me this in game... also himes are not slow your just lazy, get Reg and get to himes now before I hurt you.

If all else fails leech like Stan did.

[InTraining]

Ok, heres a question.. Im making a paly on Yello and always thought one handed swords were way better than any 2 handeds or bws, but after seeing that crushed skull... My question is should I still just go sword (nice red katanas in the mts are way easy to find) or should I try the BW..? :f6:

[HiiEN]

Ok, heres a question.. Im making a paly on Yello and always thought one handed swords were way better than any 2 handeds or bws, but after seeing that crushed skull... My question is should I still just go sword (nice red katanas in the mts are way easy to find) or should I try the BW..? :f6:
Crushed skulls aren't common, and decently scrolled blunt weapons are harder to come by, so yeah.

[Nikkey]

Ok, heres a question.. Im making a paly on Yello and always thought one handed swords were way better than any 2 handeds or bws, but after seeing that crushed skull... My question is should I still just go sword (nice red katanas in the mts are way easy to find) or should I try the BW..? :f6:

Red katanas can't be put in mts anymore.
If the BW were fast(4), then we could discuss. Sadly, this is not true.

Also, you can't mts maple shields either, so you're off with 7 slot shields. Might consider this before you go 1h.

[Skylit]

Red katanas can't be put in mts anymore.
If the BW were fast(4), then we could discuss. Sadly, this is not true.

Also, you can't mts maple shields either, so you're off with 7 slot shields. Might consider this before you go 1h.

You can still mts those, Nikkey. I don't think there updating it till next patch.

[Acim]

Red katanas can't be put in mts anymore.
If the BW were fast(4), then we could discuss. Sadly, this is not true.

Also, you can't mts maple shields either, so you're off with 7 slot shields. Might consider this before you go 1h.

You could always go 2h and wait til next anniversary, where hopefully the monsters drop shields, then go 1h. :D It's what I'm doing on Yellonde. :(

[Nikkey]

You could always go 2h and wait til next anniversary, where hopefully the monsters drop shields, then go 1h. :D It's what I'm doing on Yellonde. :(

Well, yeah, you could do that. Though you'd be screwed over if they don't, lol.

[Acim]

Well, yeah, you could do that. Though you'd be screwed over if they don't, lol.

True. I want to be one handed, but I'm waiting til Yellonde gets the MTS. If it's before the next patch, I can snag a good Katana. Then I can either somehow get a 21 att shield from 7 slots, or wait til next may. -sigh-

[MaxHudson]

When should I stop using Panic and go pure Brandish? I've been wondering this for awhile, in common terms of training/bossing?

And at 125 would it be smart to add one point to AC for the 30% chance of 2 orbs gained?

[EarthAdept2]

Few simple questions:

Where do 120+ DKs solo train? And also, is there a minimum mp formula for spearmen/DKs?

[Acim]

Where do 120+ DKs solo train?

One of my old guildmates soloed at Peak of the Big Nest (with Skelesauruses and nest golems, I believe, not sure) from 120 to 130, then quit.

H33r is @ kweshun from meh: Okay, so I'm a dexless in Yellonde. EVERYONE is telling me, add points in DEX, reset when the times necessary. I'm asking, if I put my DEX up to 30 or so, will I be able to make that much STR up (26 STR :O) from equips? And how much will this affect my damage? Thanks.

[wobbufet]

One of my old guildmates soloed at Peak of the Big Nest (with Skelesauruses and nest golems, I believe, not sure) from 120 to 130, then quit.

H33r is @ kweshun from meh: Okay, so I'm a dexless in Yellonde. EVERYONE is telling me, add points in DEX, reset when the times necessary. I'm asking, if I put my DEX up to 30 or so, will I be able to make that much STR up (26 STR :O) from equips? And how much will this affect my damage? Thanks.

I don't think you'll be able to get enough accuracy from your equipment without merchanting for at least a month. I personally don't think the 26 STR is gonna make that much of a difference.

[HiiEN]

One of my old guildmates soloed at Peak of the Big Nest (with Skelesauruses and nest golems, I believe, not sure) from 120 to 130, then quit.

H33r is @ kweshun from meh: Okay, so I'm a dexless in Yellonde. EVERYONE is telling me, add points in DEX, reset when the times necessary. I'm asking, if I put my DEX up to 30 or so, will I be able to make that much STR up (26 STR :O) from equips? And how much will this affect my damage? Thanks.
Get a 20+ str top and just wear a str cape. Rest will fall into place.

[Birdie]

I justed wanted to know what % an hour other people got training at gobies in late 9x. I am there now and the exp seems to suck, although, its not any better at other places I have tried( wolf spiders, kents, duals). It seems like Im getting 10-15% an hour solo. Is there anywhere else I can try?

[HiiEN]

I justed wanted to know what % an hour other people got training at gobies in late 9x. I am there now and the exp seems to suck, although, its not any better at other places I have tried( wolf spiders, kents, duals). It seems like Im getting 10-15% an hour solo. Is there anywhere else I can try?
If you train there with a priest and one other attacker gobies aren't too bad. But then again for my level 15%/hr soloing is godly to me lol.

[chocolateD]

When should I stop using Panic and go pure Brandish? I've been wondering this for awhile, in common terms of training/bossing?

And at 125 would it be smart to add one point to AC for the 30% chance of 2 orbs gained?
go pure brandish when you get to hit 3 monsters(lvl 21 brandish) per brandish
once you get to hit 3 monsters start putting points to ac
so when you lvl up you put 2 pts to brandish then 1 to ac for little attack dmg boost

I justed wanted to know what % an hour other people got training at gobies in late 9x. I am there now and the exp seems to suck, although, its not any better at other places I have tried( wolf spiders, kents, duals). It seems like Im getting 10-15% an hour solo. Is there anywhere else I can try?
at lvl 9x gobies is godly exp with a good moving party
just get a priest and a couple of attackers and you should be set
i cant remember how much exp i got back then during the goby days but all i know the exp is good.

[Birdie]

If you train there with a priest and one other attacker gobies aren't too bad. But then again for my level 15%/hr soloing is godly to me lol.



at lvl 9x gobies is godly exp with a good moving party
just get a priest and a couple of attackers and you should be set
i cant remember how much exp i got back then during the goby days but all i know the exp is good.

thanks for the quick replies. I did another 30 minutes solo and gained about 6%. Then someone came and asked if I wanted to party, so I went but they had no priest so it was pretty slow. I will have to try the 2 attackers and 1 priest formation later. Thanks again

[Arroz]

go pure brandish when you get to hit 3 monsters(lvl 21 brandish) per brandish
once you get to hit 3 monsters start putting points to ac
so when you lvl up you put 2 pts to brandish then 1 to ac for little attack dmg boost

at lvl 9x gobies is godly exp with a good moving party
just get a priest and a couple of attackers and you should be set
i cant remember how much exp i got back then during the goby days but all i know the exp is good.

considering it is a bitch to get brandish 30 I wouldn't recommend this AT ALL, at lvl 8 brandish will pretty much own PS panic combo just by its speed, the big pitfall of early brandish is that it doesn't kb for a bit on hard monsters. You get AC 1 point the SAME TIME you get brandish so you have the 30% chance of getting orbs faster because there are still times you may still use panic/coma. Once brandish is at 20 put points into ACA till you pass a 30 book but always keep 1 extra sp so when you pass it you get the 3 monsters which is godly

GOBIE PARTIES ARE DEAD, I did it when everyone was there and got from 30-40% an hour on 2x at lvl 93, I would suggest leeching a mage as your fastest bet, but a more reliable solution would be to try himes with a low lvl priest. it will be alot easier to find that then a whole gobie party for more then an hour

['Lexy]

One of my old guildmates soloed at Peak of the Big Nest (with Skelesauruses and nest golems, I believe, not sure) from 120 to 130, then quit.

H33r is @ kweshun from meh: Okay, so I'm a dexless in Yellonde. EVERYONE is telling me, add points in DEX, reset when the times necessary. I'm asking, if I put my DEX up to 30 or so, will I be able to make that much STR up (26 STR :O) from equips? And how much will this affect my damage? Thanks.

Wut.

Lan, I'd stay dexless.

[Acim]

Wut.

Lan, I'd stay dexless.

Yeah, I'm doing that. Stereo proved that with some luck and a bit of money, I can reach 151 ACC at level 120, without a HT pendant. :D

['Lexy]

Yeah, I'm doing that. Stereo proved that with some luck and a bit of money, I can reach 151 ACC at level 120, without a HT pendant. :D
And because you'll never get to a level where accuracy is crucial.

[Hazzy]

So I'm thinking of restarting my page. :> He's level 59, Dexless, BW. I know, so creative. :x
Anyway, I have no idea where to train. At the moment, I'm dead broke. Selling some stars and old gach scrolls on my sin in hopes of getting some income. If all works out well, I'll have 20-30m or so at my hands. :D
I'm thinking about adding Dex. I can live with a low Dex build, not too keen on using a Maple Weapon till 70. Course, I know I have the 64 Maple Weapon laying around on my Islander, so I might just use that. :|
Anyway, questions.

Where should I train? At the moment, my range, acc, and other stuff that comes in handy. I have around 500k in mesos and a few hundred pots between my Page and sin, more after I NPC some stuff. :x (Edit: Sold some scrolls. Now I got 21m. :>)
http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o435/iHazzy/MapleStory2008-09-0116-22-45-21.png
How much does it cost to stay Dexless into the mid 70s? 80s? (I'm in Khaini, but rough estimates are fine.) How much cheaper would it be to pump my Dex up 20-30 or so points? How much damage would that cost me?

All I can think of at the moment. I'll be sure to come back if I think of more. :D

Please and thank yous. :D

[Acim]

And because you'll never get to a level where accuracy is crucial.

I believe I will this time. So shut up.

Hazzy, right now dexlesses generally need upwards of 250m~500m minimum. :D

Where should I be training? 26 ACC at level 26. Caution: Falling Down is a bit slow and I haven't tried Ant Tunnel. What would be good?

[Hazzy]

250m-500m for when? I'm sure it cost more to be Dexless at 150 than it does at 50. :x
I just wanna know how much it'd cost for me to stay Dexless 'till 75-80ish, then go low Dex versus going low Dex now. :x
I think I'll be fine, accuracy wise, for a while. Yey 64 Maple Weapons.

[sumtingverywong]

i need opinions of dark knights on this question. would it be smart to put 10 lvls of ap points into hp so that it would easier to beserk without dying? this is sort of like blood building for bowmen just so that a dark knight can beserk almost 100% of the time? i'm thinking the 170% increase at lvl 21 is greater then 7-8 atk overall damage increase?

[GMSInfighter]

I'm at Wild Boars at level 22 right now and I get about 10% in 3 minutes so I level kind of fast..

But would KPQ be faster? :O

35 accuracy with pot btw :O

[MaxHudson]

That or you could Araint PQ. Kerning PQ's exp is slower... alot. its good per pq but last time I checked its still hard to get into a party.

I'd say if you do ariant PQ get a good level 29 friend to get all your jewls then bomb him and get a higher score (If he's nice and will let you do this)

I'ma be doing this for a friend of mine soon =]

[Nickish]

When should i cap my dex zhelms are not a prob

[RFSurg]

Once you understand how much acc you need to hit what you want to hit 100%(ussualy around 139 for training, 165 for horntail) the base dex you need becomes obvious. Look at the stats of your equips and see how much acc you'll get from them all together(1 dex = .8 acc, 1 luk = .5 acc). Google for an acc calculator and put in your stats + whatever you're training's stats to see your hit rate and acc required to hit 100%. If you need more acc upgrade your equips as much as possible; add dex to your base only as a last resort.

Ussualy it's possible to be dexless at least up until your 80s with ease. Even after it isn't too hard to be dexless with good acc/dex equips.

[Nikkey]

When should i cap my dex zhelms are not a prob

Dex or acc?

Anyway, at 4, since you have the possibility to get one.

[Luscent]

Alright, so I decided to make myself a Dexless Fighter. Currently I'm only level 50, but that isn't what I'm worried about. I just managed to get myself a 116/13 Blue Screamer to use at level 80, so my equips, from what I've gathered so far, look like this:

15/16/15/15 Zhelm
Deputy Star Pendant
3/8 Dex PAC
11 Accuracy Snowshoes
25/13 Overall
116/13 Blue Screamer
13 ATT BWG's
7 Dex Nose

So with all that, I have about 2.1 billion meso to upgrade, which I believe leaves me with quite a few options. Where should I start upgrading?

Also I can get myself a 120 ATT Sunrise, not sure about the STR on it. How long would this Sunrise last me? Should I buy it, or just use the Screamer until I have a good enough Brandish and upgrade to 1 Handed/Shield?

[RFSurg]

The acc you get from those equips should last you a while, you should work on coverting dex gear to str and acc gear to dex(for a little damage boost if you really want more). Try scrolling your zhelm for 28-30+ dex if you can get into a steady zrun and dump that dex pac for a str pac(or chao scrolled for more attack if possible)

I'd keep the screamer and go 1h once you have enough brandish, but it depends on the deal and how long you're going to be using a 2h sword.

[Luscent]

The acc you get from those equips should last you a while, you should work on coverting dex gear to str and acc gear to dex(for a little damage boost if you really want more). Try scrolling your zhelm for 28-30+ dex if you can get into a steady zrun and dump that dex pac for a str pac(or chao scrolled for more attack if possible)

I'd keep the screamer and go 1h once you have enough brandish, but it depends on the deal and how long you're going to be using a 2h sword.

Thanks for the reply, but yeah the Dex PAC is just what I have now to compensate for lower accuracy so I can train at Hoodoo's now.

Any other opinions?

[NoJobNoRules]

I'm a level 84 crusader. The last huge training session I did was 74-80 last Thanksgiving during the 4x. I gained 2 more levels within a month or so after that. I gained the last 2 (83 and 84) in the past 7 months or so, 84 being about a week or two ago. Most of it was the new mini boss quests and the various CWK ones that gave a bunch of exp. :X


So...where to train? I hate all ludi maps. Heck, in general, I hate large maps like that. I can barely stand wolf spiders, but because of my low damage and high pot burning, training there sucks. :/

I did try Pirates for a little while and...got bored. Instantly. I could not stand circling the map at ALL. <_<


So, equips/stats:
3/3/3/3 +40 HP +40 MP 60 W. Def 60 M. Def 4 Speed 1 Jump 7 Slot Lord Pirate's Hat
17 DEX 9 ACC 50 W. Def 2 Speed 0 Slot Black Dragon Robe
+50 MP 2 M. Def 5 Slots Leaf Earrings/8 W. Def 58 M. Def 5 Slot Cecelia's Earrings
5/5/5/5 +100 HP +100 MP 35 W. Def 35 M. Def 3 Slot Silver Deputy Star
1 Att 6 STR 7 W. Def 8 M. Def 0 Slot Pink Adventurer Cape
8 Att 5 STR 29 W. Def 1 ACC 0 Slot Dark Husk
4 STR 1 DEX 49 W. Def 3 Speed 2 Slot Dark River Boots
105 Att 7 STR 1 W. Def 0 Slot Blue Screamer

5615 HP
657 MP
395 STR (365 base)
98 DEX (72 base)
12 INT (4 base)
12 LUK (4 base)

Attack: 1230 ~ 2183
W. Def: 231
M. Def: 117
Acc: 114
Avoid: 30
Speed: 109%
Jump: 101%


So there ya go. Anyone have training suggestions? I do have a 121 Bishop (missing 3 skill points) that I gained access to from a friend. It only has the 3 base skills and Maple Warrior so far. Whenever I get around to doing the Genesis quest, I'll have level 1 of that and I already have level 1 Maple Warrior. I'm considering leeching my crusader, but that would require training the bishop and yea...<_<

[GMSInfighter]

Where should a level 51 Axe fighter (Very well funded) that can average hit about 2.9k-3.4k with Power strike train at for the 4x EXP this Saturday and Sunday?

FoG? STD's?

[Delicae]

Can anyone point me in the direction of a good
swordman>fighter>sader>hero guide?
I'm planning on making one for fun, and
am totally clueless about warriors xD;

thanks <3
-Larka

[NoJobNoRules]

There's a few DEX discussion threads in this forum. Those should be able to help you figure out how much DEX you'll want (rest would go into STR).

I could type out the skill builds, but meh. For warrior, get Max HP increase first (you have to add like lvl 3-5 hp recovery before that :X). After that, max power strike and slash blast.

For Fighter, do w/e order you want. I suggest mastery in your lower levels for the added acc and saving PG or FA till the end. For FA, save up about 12+ skill points and dump it all at once.

For a crusader, max combo first. Then add Coma, and then panic. You'll finish up with shout and relax.

I don't know much about a hero's build. :X


If there isn't one on this forum, I do know that Sleepywood/MapleTip/etc have various warrior guides. Most are pretty accurate for the skillbuilds of heroes.

[Birdie]

There's a few DEX discussion threads in this forum. Those should be able to help you figure out how much DEX you'll want (rest would go into STR).

I could type out the skill builds, but meh. For warrior, get Max HP increase first (you have to add like lvl 3-5 hp recovery before that :X). After that, max power strike and slash blast.

For Fighter, do w/e order you want. I suggest mastery in your lower levels for the added acc and saving PG or FA till the end. For FA, save up about 12+ skill points and dump it all at once.

For a crusader, max combo first. Then add Coma, and then panic. You'll finish up with shout and relax.

I don't know much about a hero's build. :X


If there isn't one on this forum, I do know that Sleepywood/MapleTip/etc have various warrior guides. Most are pretty accurate for the skillbuilds of heroes.

Its been proven that getting combo to 21 then maxing coma is better, but other than that, you can do pretty much whatever.

[NoJobNoRules]

Really? I haven't heard of that before. :f6: Although I guess I could see why, but meh. Either way, just go Combo, Coma, and Panic and you can't be screwed too much. XD

[Birdie]

In case you wanted to know more.....http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/782194/0//The_quotrecommendedquot_Crusader_build_has_been_pr oven_wrong.html#

[kleptophobia]

What attack red katana is roughly equivalent to a 119/12 sparta for damage per minute? And is anyone willing to sell me one ;_;?

[Ian]

What attack red katana is roughly equivalent to a 119/12 sparta for damage per minute? And is anyone willing to sell me one ;_;?

"roughly" 106 attack, but it depends on your level/other equips. I can calculate an exact amount if you want to PM me with more info.

[Hiepocrite]

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[Fireclipse]

I'm a WK about to reach 8x, and mysterious path 3 has been working fine, but should i move on somewhere else? I'll max out Fire charge next level and I was thinking dual ghost pirates...Are there any other, maybe better options out there or should I go with this?

And I forgot to mention I have 108 accuracy at the moment o_o, so I might have some problems with that later...Sniper potions will only go so far(118). Although I COULD use a 12dex cape I have instead of a 3atk pac but would that be worth it?

[Nikkey]

Does the Hex of the Beholder skill stack with warrior elixirs?

Nope.

[modular]

I'm a WK about to reach 8x, and mysterious path 3 has been working fine, but should i move on somewhere else? I'll max out Fire charge next level and I was thinking dual ghost pirates...Are there any other, maybe better options out there or should I go with this?

And I forgot to mention I have 108 accuracy at the moment o_o, so I might have some problems with that later...Sniper potions will only go so far(118). Although I COULD use a 12dex cape I have instead of a 3atk pac but would that be worth it?

im told blue kents is good for wk. try windraiders too (but i cant remember what their strengths/weaknesses are). or ghost pirates if you miss duals too much.

imo, the dex cape is worth it if you dont miss with it but miss without it when youre using a sniper pill. you wont be killing in anything less than 5 hits, and even 1 miss in those 5 hits would be more damage than the extra 3 att gives you.

[RajPwN]

I'm trying to figure out how much damage my DK would do at lv 80.. It has 17 base dex, 4 int, and 4 luk.. All together at lv 80, after equips it would have something like 453 str, 69 dex, and 142-145 attack (without pot). According to hidden-street, my max range would be 3384.. How much damage would that be with the 3 hit attack (forgot what it's called)? Sorry, I don't know crap about warriors, I just got the DK to lv 70 for fun.. I'm thinking about getting it to 80, just to be a damage whore f3. Any help?
Also, how much accuracy would be good, or enough to train at lv 80?
Thanks in advance.

[Stereo]

At that level it depends a lot on what you train on, you get up to 6-7k damage penalty if you hunt strong monsters.

[Derimed]

What is the formula for HP washing for swordsman, spearman, DK, and DrK? I know about washing, but I don't know the formula. Thank you!

[Lynel]

What is the formula for HP washing for swordsman, spearman, DK, and DrK? I know about washing, but I don't know the formula. Thank you!
Don't know exactly what you mean but...


Minimum MP required spearman: 159 + (level * 4)
HP per AP: 20-24 + Max HP Increase
MP lost per AP removed: 4
MP gained per level: 4-6 + (INT/10)

[kleptophobia]

Hey der guys. I'm level 100 now and wondering.. What of the remaining moves is best to max? Relax(Mp recovery), Shout or Armor Crush? While I'm at it, can someone refer me to a good and reasonable build (primarily for Himes/Newties/Skele) for a hero. Thanks in advance.

Lulz, I posted it in the wrong thread before...

[sicnarf]

The first thing I would max is Shout. It's not very useful, to be honest, but it's nice to have it for stunning (if you ever need to) or just a ranged attack to kill snails...or to kill that giant fairy in APQ.

After that, I'd go for Relax, considering Armor Crush is useless...I just put a single point in it for show.

[XtremeBeast]

Hey der guys. I'm level 100 now and wondering.. What of the remaining moves is best to max? Relax(Mp recovery), Shout or Armor Crush? While I'm at it, can someone refer me to a good and reasonable build (primarily for Himes/Newties/Skele) for a hero. Thanks in advance.

Lulz, I posted it in the wrong thread before...

Armor crash is useful at ht. It's also useful at zak if there's not a bishop dispelling (not positive that priest's dispel works on zak arms, taking this info for granted without double checking).

Relax is good, but lvl 11-20 relax yields LESS gain. Shout is fine, not useful at all. I only use shout when doing quests that ask to kill xxx weak monsters, or i use shout to explode papu floor bombs while papu is in its shell.

I recommend eventually having maxed crashed (in my opinion, if it's not max then it's not worth using...just for show). The animation for crash takes a long time, i only use mine because it's maxed and works 100%.

My final suggestion by lvl 120 is maxed shout, maxed crash, lvl 11 mp recovery (or you can max mp recovery and trade off the sp with shout).

For a good and reasonable build for a hero: there's only one way to start off the build o.O

Here's what i think a hero build should basically consist of:

1 brandish, 1 ac, 1 rush
max brandish
max ac
max stance
max mw/rush/achilles

1h heros do the same, but max guardian towards the end.

mw isn't particularly useful or important since everyone has mw10 (and many have mw20). if you solo often, you might look into mw10 or maxing mw before stance...i guess if you solo often you won't be bossing much (zak or ht) so stance won't be such a big priority.

[kleptophobia]

Thanks XtremeBeast. I think I'll follow your build =].

[XtremeBeast]

Thanks XtremeBeast. I think I'll follow your build =].

I forgot enrage which also gets added towards the end. it's really not that useful...gets dispelled during most bosses which is a pain.

add hero's will sometime whenever you think you'll start doing ht. magnet is a waste of sp. maybe 2h heros can get magnet since they won't be getting guardian. i don't know what else to suggest. i never "raised" a hero. when 4th job came out, i had all the sp to spend so never got used to raising anything, just trying to work books.

[Elmo]

As a level 72/(almost 73) WK is Hoodoos, the best option or is there something better?( you might wanna throw in some money advice while your here :D) Been a while since I've trained a warrior below 13x.
Fire charge
Crappy equips [319 str(316 base D:) 72 dex(60 base D:) ]
91 acc >_>(with pots)
1354 max damage range >_>
About 5m >_>
Kradia :D
No plans for NX in the near future.

[Birdie]

you should try out windraiders, but really, nothing is going to be too great until you get to duals

[Mega]

How much would a 21dex red battle road be worth? Server Bera

[Whsyrmommy]

Long time lurker, first time poster... Thanks for all the entertainment and information provided...
I am a level 91 White Knight on Mardia; max fire, max ice, 4 points in charge blow...
The question is, what is the real utility of charge blow and exactly how/when/against what is its best use? Pretty much a noob question but I haven't been able to find the detail I need in any posts. Can't be that obvious, can it? I know it's powerful and want to be able to use it to its fullest, so I come to the pros.

[Scaeva]

Long time lurker, first time poster... Thanks for all the entertainment and information provided...
I am a level 91 White Knight on Mardia; max fire, max ice, 4 points in charge blow...
The question is, what is the real utility of charge blow and exactly how/when/against what is its best use? Pretty much a noob question but I haven't been able to find the detail I need in any posts. Can't be that obvious, can it? I know it's powerful and want to be able to use it to its fullest, so I come to the pros.

The best time to use Charge Blow is when your charge is about to end. Of course you could macro whatever charge you want and Charge Blow, but that would be slow.

In the 4th job you get Advanced Charge Blow which powers up Charge Blow by 10% damage each level(making it 350% at lvl10). It also gives 10% chance of keeping your charge when using Charge Blow each level. This means that Charge Blow will take the place of Slash Blast as mob attack in the 4th job, and in the 3rd job when your charge ends.

Charge Blow will be a finisher until you get Advanced Charge Blow, after that it will be your mob attack.

EDIT: Does anyone know more about Soul Master(Cygnus Warrior) already?

[Februrary]

Question:

I have 50K NX. I have a low dex(40) level 80 Dragon knight. It's been retired for a while due to lack of funds to afford accuracy. With this 40k, I plan to fund him. Would it be sensible to use this 40k to buy Mesos Sacks, Or to buy his equips using MTS?

I do not want a Z Helm so do not recommend that.

[Stereo]

On Bera the MTS is generally a better deal (about 3mil per 1k NX) so I'd suggest using it if you can.


Zakum Helm is pretty well inevitable o.o it's the centrepiece of low-dex gear, and for most characters adds the most acc of any equip. Has 20-30 more acc than other hats (depending how much you want to spend).

[Februrary]

On Bera the MTS is generally a better deal (about 3mil per 1k NX) so I'd suggest using it if you can.


Zakum Helm is pretty well inevitable o.o it's the centrepiece of low-dex gear, and for most characters adds the most acc of any equip. Has 20-30 more acc than other hats (depending how much you want to spend).


Yeah I agree but the thing is I'm completely un-equipped. So I'd much rather have an overall/cape/shoes/glove/spear before the helm. If I could I would take the helm but it seems like I'm going to be getting a brown dana. :f4:

[Nikkey]

Why do you not want a zakum helmet? It's the best upgrade/price for you at the current moment.

[Februrary]

Why do you not want a zakum helmet? It's the best upgrade/price for you at the current moment.

Okay. I sold my 5/15 Brown Bandana for 15m. I have 24m now. Should I sell my current 108/6 Omega and replace it with a 102 so I can afford a Zhelm?

[Birdie]

To the heros, when did you start training at the following maps if ever?
Crimson Guardians
Jr Newties
Peak
Skeles

And what was your approximate damage with brandish when you started?

[modular]

To the heros, when did you start training at the following maps if ever?
Crimson Guardians
Jr Newties
Peak
Skeles

And what was your approximate damage with brandish when you started?

newties suck, auto-aggro + magic att is bullpomegranate. 18-21 or higher brandish, but i strongly recommend at least 21. 4-5hko on skele and transformed newtie / 6hko on guardians makes for better training than anywhere else. per hit about 10k minimum (or 20k/brandish).



EDIT: Does anyone know more about Soul Master(Cygnus Warrior) already?

check isaac's tables for skill lists. (http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7806)
it looks to me like in 2nd & early 3rd job theyll play similar to a hermit using avenger all the time, but way more powerful. 1st job is just another warrior, late 3rd job... probably like a hero.

[heronz]

To the heros, when did you start training at the following maps if ever?
Crimson Guardians
Jr Newties
Peak
Skeles

And what was your approximate damage with brandish when you started?

Crimson Guardians <- 126 ish. @ 8k/swing on 2 monsters
Jr Newties <- 135 - good with priest @ 15k/swing on 3monsters
Peak <--135 -crimguard was draining the funds too much, solo
Skeles <-- 135 - good with priest

edit: my max hit per swing is 22k, 15k was avg.

[Findings]

To the heros, when did you start training at the following maps if ever?
Crimson Guardians
Jr Newties
Peak
Skeles

And what was your approximate damage with brandish when you started?

Haven't yet
121, 11k
127, 14k
Haven't yet

Are Crimson Guardians the best solo exp/hour period, or do you have to be able to kill in a certain amount of hits for it to be worth it (considering seal)? Basically I'm asking the same question I quoted and wondering when it would be ideal to train there instead of Peak. Cost doesn't concern me.

I use a lunchbox, if that matters.

[modular]

Haven't yet
121, 11k
127, 14k
Haven't yet

Are Crimson Guardians the best solo exp/hour period, or do you have to be able to kill in a certain amount of hits for it to be worth it (considering seal)? Basically I'm asking the same question I quoted and wondering when it would be ideal to train there instead of Peak. Cost doesn't concern me.

I use a lunchbox, if that matters.

ought to be best period since they dont have a bad hp to exp ratio and since they have more hp you spend more time swinging your sword instead of walking. however at lower levels, death is a real issue with certain pots if you dont like to overpot.

^ this is regardless of having a lunchbox. however, ive found that a 3hko on unbuffed skele with fast4 allows you to dodge a beam attack while still getting a rush in. kinda nice...

[heronz]

i want to ask...

can a bunch of warriors help me kill a Zak or HT. aka All warrior run f.t.fun? im nto well known enough to gather x many people. this is scania btw

[GMSInfighter]

Anyone got inspiration on how to be an completely unfunded DK? XD

[modular]

Anyone got inspiration on how to be an completely unfunded DK? XD

start on the next new server...

started on windia way back when as a fighter. even had the first 11 att glove in the server. some guy 20 lvls higher than me wanted to trade it for a doombringer while it was still 9 att 1 slot when ynp was the only decent thing that dropped them. :glitter:

the new quests make it easy to train with free pots.

[chrome]

Anyone got inspiration on how to be an completely unfunded DK? XD

Sticking with a week.

You can say all you want, you're gonna come back.

Lol@ People above.

I'm not coming back ever. I despise this game now.
I love how right I am.

[GMSInfighter]

I love how right I am.

Your not right lol, so quit loving yourself.

I never said I was coming back right now, I'm coming back in the very far away future.

[chrome]

Your not right lol, so quit loving yourself.

I never said I was coming back right now, I'm coming back in the very far away future.
wat?

http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?p=142088#post142088

[Khaizuko]

At lv 30-35
and 35-50 or 60.

Lv 30-35 Should i use gladius (1h lv 30 sword) or broadsword?
Lv 35-50/60, 100% a Lionheart or 100% a Zard. (I already found the zard x_o but havent 100%'d)

[Derimed]

I am making a hybrid Paladin.

Yes, I know everyone says sword > BW, but I love BW.

I am dexless. I have 15 att sc, 4/8 dex PAC, 26 dex 12 acc Silver Fitted Mail, 2 att 5 dex FS and 11 Dex earring. The blunt weapon side of things I have covered: 80 att 10 str Doomsinger, 118/13 Morningstar and 120/11 Battle Hammer. I will need a good attack shield and swords.

What I need help with is the build. I am guessing the best long-term option in second job is to max both masteries, boosters, and Power Guard, and leave 10 in Threaten. In 3rd job I was hoping for advice with what to do... I am guessing I'll need to pick either BW or sword in 3rd job... In 4th, I am guessing I can easily hybrid by mastering both Divine and Holy charges.

Nevertheless, while I have some guesses I've never built a Pally before. Of all the top Paladins, only one seems to be a hybrid, so I don't think many people do this. Advice would be appreciated.

[modular]

I am making a hybrid Paladin.

Yes, I know everyone says sword > BW, but I love BW.

I am dexless. I have 15 att sc, 4/8 dex PAC, 26 dex 12 acc Silver Fitted Mail, 2 att 5 dex FS and 11 Dex earring. The blunt weapon side of things I have covered: 80 att 10 str Doomsinger, 118/13 Morningstar and 120/11 Battle Hammer. I will need a good attack shield and swords.

What I need help with is the build. I am guessing the best long-term option in second job is to max both masteries, boosters, and Power Guard, and leave 10 in Threaten. In 3rd job I was hoping for advice with what to do... I am guessing I'll need to pick either BW or sword in 3rd job... In 4th, I am guessing I can easily hybrid by mastering both Divine and Holy charges.

Nevertheless, while I have some guesses I've never built a Pally before. Of all the top Paladins, only one seems to be a hybrid, so I don't think many people do this. Advice would be appreciated.

advice: skip FA since it rapes mob damage, maxing both sets of charges is feasible if you dislike mana regen and other third job bits and pieces that arent relevant to damage, i wouldnt recommend maxing both holy and divine since your strained for 4th job points as it is especially with guardian as a 1h

[Stereo]

I'd drop the level of both boosters to max Threaten, since it actually improves the more points you put in it :x

As for 3rd job, I'd say you could go Fire-Flame-Ice-Blizzard, or Fire-Flame-Ice-Thunder... Charge Blow either way.


Is it too late to convince you BW is not worth it :P with your 15scg + 4 cape + 2 shoe, the 118 Morningstar is about as strong as a 106/5 Devil's Sunrise when you use Warrior Elixirs, and a 103/3 when you use Apples. The 120 Battle Hammer (assuming you get a 12 shield) is as strong as a 105/4 Sparta with Warrior Elixirs, or a 98 clean Sparta with Apples.

Really if you "need" to have BW option I'd say build like that
2nd job:
20/20 Mastery
10/8 booster (8 bw)
30 Sword FA
30 Powerguard
3 Threaten

3rd job:
30/30 Fire/Flame
30 Ice swd
30 Lightning swd
30 Charge Blow

4th job:
etc. as usual build
don't get Divine Charge, the 20 book is rare and real BW paladins might want it

[Shinokun]

At what level PA Fury is it feasible, for training, to use over Slash Blast?

[BlackSabbath]

Level 7 PA Fury. Max slash blast does 160% and lvl 7 PA fury does 170%. Also Fury has alot more range than slash blast so if there's bigger mobs you might wanna gather them up even with lvl 1 Fury.

[Nikkey]

^ Level 7 = 140%


At what level PA Fury is it feasible, for training, to use over Slash Blast?

Interesting question.

We assume no dex, full mastery and no FA. STR = x, Weapon attack = y. m = weapon multiplier.

MAX = (x * m) * y / 100
MIN = (x * m * 0.9 * 0.6) * y / 100

Therefore, avg must be:

(MAX + MIN)/2 = ((x * m) * y / 100 + (x * m * 0.9 * 0.6) * y / 100)/2
AVG = ((x * m) + (x * m * 0.9 * 0.6)) y / 200
AVG = ((x * m) + (x * m * 0.9 * 0.6)) y / 200
AVG = ((1 + 0.9 * 0.6) x * m) y /200
AVG = (1 + 0.9 * 0.6)mxy/200
AVG = (1 + 0.9 * 0.6)mk/200
(We assume x and y are constant, and replace with k)

For slashes, m = 5.0. These happen with a 3/5 rate.
For stabs, m = 3.0. These happen with a 2/5 rate.

TAVG = AVG(m = 5.0) * 3/5 + AVG(m = 3.0) * 2/5
TAVG = (AVG(m = 5.0) * 3 + AVG(m = 3.0) * 2)/5
TAVG = (AVG(m = 5.0) * 3 + AVG(m = 3.0) * 2)/5
TAVG = (AVG(m = 15.0) + AVG(m = 6.0))/5
TAVG = AVG(m = 21.0)/5
TAVG = AVG(m = 4.2)

Thus, the average weapon multiplier for slash blast is 4.2.
For PA Fury, the average weapon multiplier is 5.0.

With maxed SB:
TAVG = AVG(m = 4.2) * 1.3
TAVG = AVG(m = 5.46)
(Not completely right due to wdef, but it reduces more for SB, so it goes to their favour)

Basically, m needs to be over 5.46 to beat SB. The percentage for fury must then be:

AVG(m = 5.0) * x > AVG(m = 5.46)
AVG(m = 5.0) > AVG(m = 5.46/x) /(Since x has to be positive)
x > 1.092

That happens at level 4 with Fury.

I could calculate with FA implemented as well, but I don't think I have to state that level 3 PA Fury beats maxes Slash Blast. Besides, we do not add in the extended range. It should be better at level 1, even.

TL;DR (or didn't understand)

Level 4 Fury beats Slash Blast definitely. Level 1 should beat Slash Blast, though no exact calculations have been done.

[Stereo]

I was using it from level 4, as with FA my damage to the first couple targets was still better with SB, leading to better map movement (if the target in front of you dies you can advance to new mobs, if you kill all of them at the same time it's not as consistent). Range is helpful from 1 though.

[Shidoshi]

you didn't consider that PA fury does not reduce damage for each next monster. With that you'd have a much higher damage output with more monsters.

[modular]

you didn't consider that PA fury does not reduce damage for each next monster. With that you'd have a much higher damage output with more monsters.

its in there, slash blast is assumed without fa. fa lowers slash blast's dps anyways. slash blast without fa doesnt "reduce damage for each next monster" either.

@ stereo: i would have thought that with fa even lvl 1 fury would be better training because it provides so much more consistency. its interesting that you dont want the mobs to die at the same time.

[Shidoshi]

what I mean is that slash blast works kind of like iron arrow for xbowmen, reducing the base damage for each monster it passes through.

[modular]

no it doesnt, it hits each monster for 130%. fa hits total to 250% against 6 monsters with each hit successively smaller by a factor of 3. thats what youre thinkin of, is fa. not slash blast.

[Stereo]

@ stereo: i would have thought that with fa even lvl 1 fury would be better training because it provides so much more consistency. its interesting that you dont want the mobs to die at the same time.

50-74 or so I was at FoG, wearing near 140% speed gear (something like 136 with pills). Being able to kill the stuff directly in front of me was better than mob damage, everything died pretty quickly either way.

Also lv.1 fury is ridiculously affected by defense up, which the Golems cast after a couple hits (dropped damage by 30-35%). Better to kill a couple quickly than to make 6 mad and then not be able to kill them so quickly.


I guess with windraiders it might be beneficial to use 1 Fury there since you can snipe most of the mobs.

[Shinokun]

Thanks, you guys were really helpful.

[Birdie]

I need 5 more acc to 100% hit nightshadows, but dont know what the cheapest way to get that acc is. I only have 14m right now so this might be hard, but I am thinking that some 7/8 dex earrings would be the best guess. I have a clean zhelm, cwk pendant, str cape, 6 dex 3 acc pants 5 slots( just failed a 10% i got from skeles today) and 7 acc 1 dex shoes. I have no earrings atm.

[GMSInfighter]

I'm having an accuracy issue at level 23 >.<
I have 133k, and saving them for pots. I really want to KPQ in hopes of getting a monster card and shoes. Yet I can't even hit the aligators, let alone King Slime. I have 24 accuracy now, with an accuracy pot to help. In two levels I can also use a pig illustrated for a boost of 10. So what can I do without really spending any mesos (Unless I get a overall dex 10%) to boost my accuracy.

Also where does a level 23 train? :P with 24 accuracy.

[LeJoueur]

I need 5 more acc to 100% hit nightshadows, but dont know what the cheapest way to get that acc is. I only have 14m right now so this might be hard, but I am thinking that some 7/8 dex earrings would be the best guess. I have a clean zhelm, cwk pendant, str cape, 6 dex 3 acc pants 5 slots( just failed a 10% i got from skeles today) and 7 acc 1 dex shoes. I have no earrings atm.

well cheapest is if you train with pot, try to find a blesser (or a high MHer). I would definitely go for a 7 dex earring, if you feel lucky try to finish those pants but i wouldn't recommand that because it's the best way for you to blow those pants and turn mesoless... you want to go with the safest solution.


I'm having an accuracy issue at level 23 >.<
I have 133k, and saving them for pots. I really want to KPQ in hopes of getting a monster card and shoes. Yet I can't even hit the aligators, let alone King Slime. I have 24 accuracy now, with an accuracy pot to help. In two levels I can also use a pig illustrated for a boost of 10. So what can I do without really spending any mesos (Unless I get a overall dex 10%) to boost my accuracy.

Also where does a level 23 train? :P with 24 accuracy.

Be the leader! If you plan only to kPQ and with such limited budget, lead the PQ and you won't need to hit aligators; 23->25 is very fast @kPQ, then as you said you can use the pig illustrated waiting to meet the lvl requirement for maple weapons.

[GMSInfighter]

Be the leader! If you plan only to kPQ and with such limited budget, lead the PQ and you won't need to hit aligators; 23->25 is very fast @kPQ, then as you said you can use the pig illustrated waiting to meet the lvl requirement for maple weapons.

Everyone leaves >.< I'm only level 23 and since you have to have NX to fit in and be hip xD I can't really be a leader and everyone thinks I'm noob.

I'll keep trying though. Thanks for the help ^_^

[LeJoueur]

Everyone leaves >.< I'm only level 23 and since you have to have NX to fit in and be hip xD I can't really be a leader and everyone thinks I'm noob.

I'll keep trying though. Thanks for the help ^_^

no guildies, no friend to help you?
It is true that kPQ in gMQ is hell for warrior, I am more experienced on jMS kPQ and usually even if people had loot their number of ticket they keep killing aligator until everyone has ticket (it's much faster) here in gMS people would wait near portal and yell at you, they don't realize they loose even more time than just help you.
You want card and shoe, honestely what I would do is train normally until 25 and come back with the book; kPQ is getting so slow after 27 that you'll still have your chance to put your hand on those items, and not loosing your time trying to find a PT as you are doing right now.

[GMSInfighter]

So I have a new dilemma with choosing which character to train =_="

I have a 5X Axe Fighter that has absolutely no funds on it, and I have a level 3X Page with very little funds. I can buy a 10k NX card and that'll help either character for the time being, but I was just curious to which one would be more fun to play in the future.

Thanks ^_^

[KajitiSouls]

So I have a new dilemma with choosing which character to train =_="

I have a 5X Axe Fighter that has absolutely no funds on it, and I have a level 3X Page with very little funds. I can buy a 10k NX card and that'll help either character for the time being, but I was just curious to which one would be more fun to play in the future.

Thanks ^_^

How soon are you talking?

I'd probably choose fighter in either case actually, since WKs are just more Power Strike, Slash Blast, whereas Saders actually have two new moves. Then there's Heroes, they're nice for bosses xD Paladins are decent I guess =/ Personally I get a rush when I have huge mobs which I can ACB to death xD

[IllegallySane]

So I have a new dilemma with choosing which character to train =_="

I have a 5X Axe Fighter that has absolutely no funds on it, and I have a level 3X Page with very little funds. I can buy a 10k NX card and that'll help either character for the time being, but I was just curious to which one would be more fun to play in the future.

Thanks ^_^

Remake the Fighter as a Sword Fighter. You're gonna have trouble scrolling/buying a godly axe, and you'll hate it when your damage takes a sudden dip because you stabbed with your axe. :f4:

[GMSInfighter]

Remake the Fighter as a Sword Fighter. You're gonna have trouble scrolling/buying a godly axe, and you'll hate it when your damage takes a sudden dip because you stabbed with your axe. :f4:

I'm not remaking anything, I'm going with one or the other >.<
It's not all about damage, I just want to have fun.

[IllegallySane]

I'm not remaking anything, I'm going with one or the other >.<
It's not all about damage, I just want to have fun.

You'll want the Fighter then. Seriously, HERO vs Paladin. Also, elemental attacks are good only when the enemy is weak to it. Do you want to only be at Skelegons from 120+ to 200? :spook:

[KajitiSouls]

You'll want the Fighter then. Seriously, HERO vs Paladin. Also, elemental attacks are good only when the enemy is weak to it. Do you want to only be at Skelegons from 120+ to 200? :spook:

I don't think that's the purpose of GMS's choice.

Also, no one said Skeles are the final battleground, or even the next highest lvl mobs.

[GMSInfighter]

I don't think that's the purpose of GMS's choice.

Also, no one said Skeles are the final battleground, or even the next highest lvl mobs.

What do you think I should do then :f4:

[KajitiSouls]

What do you think I should do then :f4:

Just have fun? o.O I mean, taking IllegallySane's argument, I could also say the same thing for Newties or Wyverns. Or Time Temple mobs.

I still boss a shytload on my Paladin, no reason why I can't.

[modular]

have you gotten axe FA yet? because if you havent you could convert to swords fairly easily...

but really, its gotta be about what you wanna do in 3rd job (or 4th) cuz theres almost no differentiation in 2nd. i like crusader better because you can train anywhere. theres tons of spots and you arent limited by element weaknesses, especially when you only have 1-2 elements in the lower lvls. you can go own ynp, or dynp, or any kents, bains, himes, lycans, ws, gobies, ns, stormbreakers, firebrands, all without taking a hit to your damage because you dont have x element.

as for fun with wks, anything you can freeze is fair game. gatekeepers in 9x when you can only hit them like 30% of the time is the best example i got. sounds fun to me. i dont have so much to go on here cuz i went fighter XD

[KajitiSouls]

Stunning CGs with 1 damage and poking things with Ice Charge for 1 damage certainly constitutes as fun. Seriously. Also, BanHammer, enough said.

[modular]

Stunning CGs with 1 damage and poking things with Ice Charge for 1 damage certainly constitutes as fun. Seriously. Also, BanHammer, enough said.

cant hear you so i cant tell if youre serious or not. :f3:

im always amused in cwkpq when i make the pally go first so the cgs dont fucking lock me. :D

[GMSInfighter]

This is such a hard decision :hothead:
I'm leading towards fighter, and why is it a bad idea that I stay axe? Will it really affect me that much?

[Stereo]

Axes are slowr and weaker, but it doesn't really matter that much unless you're obsessed with damage. The cheaper scroll prices really can't make up for the damage gap (when you have to buy 30 scrolls for 200k each, it outweighs buying 1 scroll for 2mil, and whenever I've looked at scrolled item prices, equal power favours the sword in cost)

[GMSInfighter]

Ok well, he has 3 final attack in axe, maxed axe mastery, maxed rage, and 1 in PG. Is it worth continuing on with a sword?
(Remember the fighter is completely unfunded, except with maybe 10k NX)

[xLeviathan]

Okay, so, I just started a warrior. I'm level 18 now (progressing slowly; Hooray for questing).

There's not really any guides for warriors around here, and I haven't made one before.
Am I supposed to max out both Power Strike and Slash Blast? What about HP recovery?
Also, I want to be able to solo bosses when I'm 4th job (because I WILL get this to 4th job). I'm aware all 3 can solo bosses, or at least I think, but I can't really decide between Hero and Dark Knight. I know I'd like to get in earlier than usual because of Hyper Body but they're not as strong in the long run as Heroes?

I don't know what to do. :(

[KajitiSouls]

Okay, so, I just started a warrior. I'm level 18 now (progressing slowly; Hooray for questing).

There's not really any guides for warriors around here, and I haven't made one before.
Am I supposed to max out both Power Strike and Slash Blast? What about HP recovery?
Also, I want to be able to solo bosses when I'm 4th job (because I WILL get this to 4th job). I'm aware all 3 can solo bosses, or at least I think, but I can't really decide between Hero and Dark Knight. I know I'd like to get in earlier than usual because of Hyper Body but they're not as strong in the long run as Heroes?

I don't know what to do. :(

Doesn't sound like you'll get far, but if you really want to, okay. Do max out Power Strike and Slash Blast, as you'll be stuck with those two attacks through 2nd and 3rd job. DrKs can only be as strong as Heroes, maybe even stronger if you can get lvl 30 Bezerk, and a huge dose of HP to boot.

Of course, DrKs can't really be the damage wh0res they've always wanted to be when something consistently hits over 15,000 damage... *cough*PinkVynn*cough*

[xLeviathan]

Doesn't sound like you'll get far, but if you really want to, okay. Do max out Power Strike and Slash Blast, as you'll be stuck with those two attacks through 2nd and 3rd job. DrKs can only be as strong as Heroes, maybe even stronger if you can get lvl 30 Bezerk, and a huge dose of HP to boot.

Of course, DrKs can't really be the damage wh0res they've always wanted to be when something consistently hits over 15,000 damage... *cough*PinkVynn*cough*

The only reason I'm going slow is because I opted to quest the first ~20 levels. I can train pretty efficiently once I get into the right places (worked with my other 4th job'ers). Also because I'm really weak right now, getting the base Dex out of the way.

Thanks for that, I might just go with Spears. There seems to be some pride among Pure Pole Arm knights, what's the difference between spears and pole arms, besides the obvious swing/stab thing? I'll probably be back in here when I get to 30. I'm gonna start noob-grinding now, I've completed all the possible quests and I'm still level 19.

[KajitiSouls]

The only reason I'm going slow is because I opted to quest the first ~20 levels. I can train pretty efficiently once I get into the right places (worked with my other 4th job'ers). Also because I'm really weak right now, getting the base Dex out of the way.

Thanks for that, I might just go with Spears. There seems to be some pride among Pure Pole Arm knights, what's the difference between spears and pole arms, besides the obvious swing/stab thing? I'll probably be back in here when I get to 30. I'm gonna start noob-grinding now, I've completed all the possible quests and I'm still level 19.

Spears can abuse Spear Crusher, which hits up to three monsters three times each, while Pole Arms will excel with Pole Arm Fury, which hits up to six monsters once (and might be a bit faster). Spear Fury and Pole Arm Crusher exist too btw, but for obvious reasons they're not as good. Fury only wins over Crusher if there's a lot of mobs, and typically in most training maps you'll find mobs in groups of 2-4. Also, since Pole Arm Fury gets the most damage by hitting the most monsters, Fury makes a very poor skill to use against solitary targets such as bosses.

One good thing there is to say about PADKs is that they can get sniping spots occasionally, such as Crimson Guardians.

[xLeviathan]

Spears can abuse Spear Crusher, which hits up to three monsters three times each, while Pole Arms will excel with Pole Arm Fury, which hits up to six monsters once (and might be a bit faster). Spear Fury and Pole Arm Crusher exist too btw, but for obvious reasons they're not as good. Fury only wins over Crusher if there's a lot of mobs, and typically in most training maps you'll find mobs in groups of 2-4. Also, since Pole Arm Fury gets the most damage by hitting the most monsters, Fury makes a very poor skill to use against solitary targets such as bosses.

One good thing there is to say about PADKs is that they can get sniping spots occasionally, such as Crimson Guardians.

That will probably finalize my decision. Thanks.

Oh, yeah, it's probably not good to have my base Dex over about ~45 right? If I plan on having decently scrolled gear for Accuracy, using pills, etc.

[modular]

Ok well, he has 3 final attack in axe, maxed axe mastery, maxed rage, and 1 in PG. Is it worth continuing on with a sword?
(Remember the fighter is completely unfunded, except with maybe 10k NX)

if you wanna go swords, it looks like you may have to skip (or have like 10 in) either powerguard or sword FA, either of which is fairly crippling for unfunded crusaders to be without. pg is a geat money saver and fa is indispensible.

i hafta recommend sticking with axes.

pages can go hybrid fairly easily since skipping fa is a real option for them; fa lowers slash blast's dps and mucks it up. but wks dont charge orbs and fa increases hit count per min by quite a bit, so its good for crusaders.

[xLeviathan]

Ok, I'm level 30 (and a spearman).
I have 45 base Dex and 57 (or 59 with the level 30 overall) Accuracy total, so I think I'm good in that department. I can't really afford to be one of those 10 base Dex" warriors. I'm broke. :<
I suppose it shouldn't matter too much, because the points I lose in pure AP Str should be made up by the fact that I don't have to have as much Dex gear, and I should be able to focus more on Str than Dex.

I really don't know what to put my points into first. Mastery or start with HB. I don't quite know how much the extra accuracy/strength from Mastery is...?

[modular]

I really don't know what to put my points into first. Mastery or start with HB. I don't quite know how much the extra accuracy/strength from Mastery is...?

unless you plan to leech/hardcore your way to 40 and stop there forever, get mastery first. unstable damage is your most glaring flaw at the moment and you need to fix it asap. get some booster to taste before hb as well. a good build:

5 mastery -> 14 mastery / 6 booster (booster any time here, but do 2 lvls of 3 sp) -> 3 iron will -> 30 hb

max hb by 50, optional 20th point in mastery for +1 acc, doesnt matter which weapon you choose.

[xLeviathan]

unless you plan to leech/hardcore your way to 40 and stop there forever, get mastery first. unstable damage is your most glaring flaw at the moment and you need to fix it asap. get some booster to taste before hb as well. a good build:

5 mastery -> 14 mastery / 6 booster (booster any time here, but do 2 lvls of 3 sp) -> 3 iron will -> 30 hb

max hb by 50, optional 20th point in mastery for +1 acc, doesnt matter which weapon you choose.

You're thinking what I'm thinking. Sounds like a plan. :D
Damn, I can't really CPQ well w/o mastery anyway. x_x;

[Stereo]

if you wanna go swords, it looks like you may have to skip (or have like 10 in) either powerguard or sword FA, either of which is fairly crippling for unfunded crusaders to be without. pg is a geat money saver and fa is indispensible.

If he's listed everything: 20 Mastery (axe), 20 Rage, 3 FA (axe)

Then there are 78 points left. That could go 30 PG, 23 FA, 19 Mastery, 6 Booster. Fill up the rest with 3rd job points or SP resets. After the big 2 (Combo and Coma) are maxed would probably be the time to spend 3rd job points and get FA finished, Booster can wait until after Panic and maybe Shout too.

[modular]

If he's listed everything: 20 Mastery (axe), 20 Rage, 3 FA (axe)

Then there are 78 points left. That could go 30 PG, 23 FA, 19 Mastery, 6 Booster. Fill up the rest with 3rd job points or SP resets. After the big 2 (Combo and Coma) are maxed would probably be the time to spend 3rd job points and get FA finished, Booster can wait until after Panic and maybe Shout too.


thats a possibility, but i am personally against skipping 3rd job skills in favor of 2nd and thats the main reason i dont want to recommend it. 22 missing points and 3rd job is already 9 short of maxing everything. armor crash and mana regen are useless in terms of speeding training speed, but theyre still 3rd job and have small uses (ht, never buying mana pots again). call me biased.

[Dusk]

If he's listed everything: 20 Mastery (axe), 20 Rage, 3 FA (axe)

Then there are 78 points left. That could go 30 PG, 23 FA, 19 Mastery, 6 Booster. Fill up the rest with 3rd job points or SP resets. After the big 2 (Combo and Coma) are maxed would probably be the time to spend 3rd job points and get FA finished, Booster can wait until after Panic and maybe Shout too.

That's such an ugly build, though. Axes look cool and the damage difference isn't going to crush your ability to train or boss. My Fighter is pure axe and I have no regrets.

[Stereo]

In comparison to saving MP pots, the difference between sword and axe is pretty large >_> If you're gonna save money, do it by going with Swords.

I'd say it depends on the level range though, whether it really matters. From about 1-90, they're fairly even. The good swords cost way more, and they're harder to find. Then at level 90+ it just goes awry. A couple Fast 2h weapons, usable level 100/110 weapons... the difference in Brandish damage due to stab+slash is just the coup de grace.

[WillDaSnail]

Er, I need help with some things regarding my future DrK.....

I'm seriously considering raising a DrK this summer simply because I want to train a new character (and help alleviate the low # of DrK's that is wrecking Khaini ATM >_>).

Yes, I do plan to HP wash him (50 points, to be exact - done over a period of time). But what I'm most concerned about is getting enough acc to hit everything 100%.

I plan to leave base DEX between 25 ~ 40, depending on my needs. I was wondering, how much DEX should I try to get from equips so I can have accuracy between 148 ~ 160? Thanks!

P.S. My future DrK is currently a GPQ mule in my guild. >_>

[xLeviathan]

Er, I need help with some things regarding my future DrK.....

I'm seriously considering raising a DrK this summer simply because I want to train a new character (and help alleviate the low # of DrK's that is wrecking Khaini ATM >_>).

Yes, I do plan to HP wash him (50 points, to be exact - done over a period of time). But what I'm most concerned about is getting enough acc to hit everything 100%.

I plan to leave base DEX between 25 ~ 40, depending on my needs. I was wondering, how much DEX should I try to get from equips so I can have accuracy between 148 ~ 160? Thanks!

P.S. My future DrK is currently a GPQ mule in my guild. >_>

That's a lot of accuracy. The most you should ever need is 147, isn't it?

[WillDaSnail]

That's a lot of accuracy. The most you should ever need is 147, isn't it?
Well kinda. But I just need "insurance".

And looking at some dexless DrK's with 15x ~ 16x acc (saw one warrior with 17x) kinda motivated me to try going for that. xD

Also, forgot to post this question: For endgame weapon, Sky Skis or Pinaka/DFaltizan? And for overall, should I try to scroll/obtain a 2x DEX overall then shift to a top/bottom set?

[xLeviathan]

Well kinda. But I just need "insurance".

And looking at some dexless DrK's with 15x ~ 16x acc (saw one warrior with 17x) kinda motivated me to try going for that. xD

Also, forgot to post this question: For endgame weapon, Sky Skis or Pinaka/DFaltizan? And for overall, should I try to scroll/obtain a 2x DEX overall then shift to a top/bottom set?

I'll probably shoot for 15X. Hopefully that'll be enough overflow to keep me safe. :<
I have 45 Base Dex to make it a little easier on myself. Don't know if I'll reset some yet or not.

That's what I'm going for. The overall then top/bottom Dex. For the weapon, I haven't really decided on the pros/cons of a final weapon yet, but a Faltizan looks like the best choice from what I see.

I'm in Khaini, too. :O
I bought a level 15 warrior from my RL friend for 2$. XD Decided, why not?

[KajitiSouls]

I'm in Khaini, too. :O

Om nom nom nom (http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/63/maple0770.jpg)

*cough* Anywho, if you two are planning for Time Temple monsters, consider having 165+ accuracy. It takes 173 accuracy to 100% hit the highest level normal monster, 180 accuracy to 100% hit the red bull boss, and 203 accuracy to 100% hit Pink Been and Hsalf. Just a thought.

[MasPan]

I'll probably shoot for 15X. Hopefully that'll be enough overflow to keep me safe. :<
I have 45 Base Dex to make it a little easier on myself. Don't know if I'll reset some yet or not.

That's what I'm going for. The overall then top/bottom Dex. For the weapon, I haven't really decided on the pros/cons of a final weapon yet, but a Faltizan looks like the best choice from what I see.

I'm in Khaini, too. :O
I bought a level 15 warrior from my RL friend for 2$. XD Decided, why not?

A really well scrolled sky ski should be a pinaka, but faltizans may get a slight edge. Either way, it's close. For training purposes though, the damage-per-hit weapon would probably be better than the DPS weapon, simply because it gives skeles less of a chance to laser you. The point is moot for me, as fury at my level takes too long to kill them before laser anyway (esp with 80 points in dex and 20ish more in HP).

[WillDaSnail]

(Offtopic: @ Kaj, damit you got RF30 :( )

Anyways, I also forgot to add that I'm planning to go hybrid since I personally think its unique to the max. ;D

[modular]

since zerk 30 is fairly common now it should be attainable to scroll a powerful enough ski (especially with box event) to kill in the same number of hits, or at least come to within a couple levels of str to match up. and skis mean ~10 less accuracy to worry about. dfaltz dont have 10 acc.

[MasPan]

since zerk 30 is fairly common now it should be attainable to scroll a powerful enough ski (especially with box event) to kill in the same number of hits, or at least come to within a couple levels of str to match up. and skis mean ~10 less accuracy to worry about. dfaltz dont have 10 acc.

The skis are an advantage for their speed, not the acc, although 10 free acc is always nice. Most DrKs by the time the weapon speed really makes a tremendous impact will already have all the acc they need. Anyways, higher speed + free acc is nice. I still prefer speed built in (<3 Arcglaive) and free but useless M.Attk. Considering making a BattleBishop and giving it my Arcglaive if I ever get a better PA.

[modular]

The skis are an advantage for their speed, not the acc, although 10 free acc is always nice. Most DrKs by the time the weapon speed really makes a tremendous impact will already have all the acc they need. Anyways, higher speed + free acc is nice. I still prefer speed built in (<3 Arcglaive) and free but useless M.Attk. Considering making a BattleBishop and giving it my Arcglaive if I ever get a better PA.

yeah but since really high acc while remaining really low dex is one of the goals, skis help. 2 birds with 1 stone sort of thing. thats my only point :P

eww @ battlebishop :f3:

[xLeviathan]

yeah but since really high acc while remaining really low dex is one of the goals, skis help. 2 birds with 1 stone sort of thing. thats my only point :P

eww @ battlebishop :f3:

I didn't know Sky Skis gave 10 Acc.
I'll be reconsidering that one, then. XD

[Hawt]

A really well scrolled sky ski should be a pinaka, but faltizans may get a slight edge. Either way, it's close. For training purposes though, the damage-per-hit weapon would probably be better than the DPS weapon, simply because it gives skeles less of a chance to laser you. The point is moot for me, as fury at my level takes too long to kill them before laser anyway (esp with 80 points in dex and 20ish more in HP).

Considering that, for my DrK, my project was to perfect scroll a weapon. Should i do a Sky ski or a faltizan, i'm leaning more for the ski since it's cheap now and it has the free acc (also speed)

[WillDaSnail]

Considering that, for my DrK, my project was to perfect scroll a weapon. Should i do a Sky ski or a faltizan, i'm leaning more for the ski since it's cheap now and it has the free acc (also speed)
It really, really depends on certain things.

Perfect-scrolling Sky Skis: This will probably benefit you in terms of dealing more DPS. ACC boost is a bonus too.

DFaltizan: slightly less DPS, however its value is much higher than Sky Skis. And if you like seeing big damage show up....this weapon is for you

[Blaine]

Just find something where you can throw in values for attack like on Hidden-Street, and put in realistic numbers for how high you think your Skis/Faltizan will get. Multiply the top of your damage range for the Skis by 1.1, and you have the equivalent of the slow speed spear.

Ex: 9k Sky Ski damage range = 9.9k Pinaka/Faltizan range, in terms of overall DPS

[ImagineAll]

It really, really depends on certain things.

Perfect-scrolling Sky Skis: This will probably benefit you in terms of dealing more DPS. ACC boost is a bonus too.

DFaltizan: slightly less DPS, however its value is much higher than Sky Skis. And if you like seeing big damage show up....this weapon is for youHuh? O_O

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd pay way more for a perfectly scrolled skis than a perfect Faltizan, even after this box event.

Really if you think about it, a 14x Falt will mean that you will be able to 1hko skeles (Crusher + Rush combo) during your 16x's (Assuming you have adequate gear, spear excluded). Or with skis you can do it at 17x, and have the falt beat in overall DPS. The Accuracy from the skis is just another added bonus.

I'd say skis. Bossing speed kicks ass =P

[WillDaSnail]

Er, what should I do now?

I just found out that Spear 30% in my server went to astronomical prices, and I needed that to try dumping on some Sky Skis. But since I can't afford to take a big financial hit from this.........I might have to scrap it.

What other good end-game weapons can I really use? (This is for my future DrK, btw)

[ImagineAll]

Er, what should I do now?

I just found out that Spear 30% in my server went to astronomical prices, and I needed that to try dumping on some Sky Skis. But since I can't afford to take a big financial hit from this.........I might have to scrap it.

What other good end-game weapons can I really use? (This is for my future DrK, btw)I still think that skis are the best possible route you can take at this point. They're as cheap if not cheaper than nakas and are ten times as useful.

Spear scrolls are going to plateau at any given time, when that happens, I recommend you be stalked on 97+ attack skis. Make sure and have a decent pile of change put aside to mass scroll yourself a decent pair.

Really there's no other option other than perhaps going the prescrilled route and buying that way. But any decent spear (125+) is going to cost you a pretty penny anyways.

Either that or go PA...*cough*

Hope that helps ~

[MasPan]

Er, what should I do now?

I just found out that Spear 30% in my server went to astronomical prices, and I needed that to try dumping on some Sky Skis. But since I can't afford to take a big financial hit from this.........I might have to scrap it.

What other good end-game weapons can I really use? (This is for my future DrK, btw)

You could always hold out for Time Temple and Maker and make the Reverse spear, which with base attack, some 60s, and leveling would easily result in a 125+. Because warrior gear requires no 2ndary stat, you'd be fine, and wouldn't lose much DPS vs the Sky Skis. If you could get one to 130-135, you'd be set.

[WillDaSnail]

I still think that skis are the best possible route you can take at this point. They're as cheap if not cheaper than nakas and are ten times as useful.

Spear scrolls are going to plateau at any given time, when that happens, I recommend you be stalked on 97+ attack skis. Make sure and have a decent pile of change put aside to mass scroll yourself a decent pair.

Really there's no other option other than perhaps going the prescrilled route and buying that way. But any decent spear (125+) is going to cost you a pretty penny anyways.

Either that or go PA...*cough*

Hope that helps ~
Thanks for the advice!

Im not going to go the full spear route. In fact, I love the concept of hybrid DrK's and am going to go through that route. ;)

[Blaine]

Thanks for the advice!

Im not going to go the full spear route. In fact, I love the concept of hybrid DrK's and am going to go through that route. ;)

Will...hybrid...? :redface:

*ks ks ks*

[FantaTwist]

My next project was making a Hero, and as I did to all my previous characters I HP washed them madly, so will I do to this one. Except for this one, my Hero, I want to aim for 18k base HP at around 150~160.

All I know from my own knowledge is 40 int=1 wash; yes my INT gear is enough so there's no need to worry about that.

Now I have no idea how many washes will it take, which serves you guys the question.

If It's too much to ask, I'd like to know how much HP points do I gain per AP added and a few calculations to give me a clearer idea of how much NX I need to save up, ty ^^

[sicnarf]

Each AP in HP will give you 50-54 HP, so assuming it's random, an average of 52 HP.

At 160, your estimated HP without washing would be around 10500 according to my calculations, so you'll need about 145 washes (145*52=7540), or 29 levels of washing for 18k at 160.

[FantaTwist]

Thanks a lot, that really helped ^^ =)

[VladTheLvr]

I have a question, which are the monsters/bosses {all versions} normal warriors never be able to hit effectively? Also which are the monsters/bosses low hp characters wont be able to kill?

[Salguod]

For those of you who train at typhons: how's your exp in a party?

I'd like to find out if there's any incentives for a sader or dk with their respective luring skill to party with me there.

Thanks for any answers.

And does the level difference matter at typhons? Some maps do, so I'd like to find out before trying to party with someone and making their exp/hr worse.

[Morgana]

Shout stuns, so wouldn't saders be dropping the Typhons like a rock? I've just never met a sader that trained there.

I know a DrK that used to train at Typhons. He soloed like 90% of it and I think he brought mostly priests along for the rest, but his exp was quite good. I don't know the exact numbers but he got 100-130 in like two weeks. o_O He lurks here so let's see if I can attract him. xD

I'll go out on a limb and say that training with a DK would be beneficial, depending on the level difference.

[WillDaSnail]

Quick warrior question: My warrior's (future DrK) is now level 29, with the essential skills done (maxed-out Max HP increase, Power Strike, Slash Blast, along with 5 improving HP recovery). I have basically 6 points left to use on 1st job skills.

What should I dump those on?

[shine of voice]

Doesn't matter whatsoever. Dump em in Endure if you wanna afk on ladders or something. Or iron body for the lulz.

[WillDaSnail]

Another question: I'll start my warrior leveling spree next week (retiring my F/P in the proccess).

How can I level from 31-51 in 2 weeks' time? I got all the equips I need, except that I have no clue on the good training spots. And no I'm not using 2x EXP cards since it'd be kinda of a waste to use it on him at this level.

Other info: Will train him for about 2 hours a day or so.

[sicnarf]

CPQ, assuming you know good people to go with.

[Morgana]

Yes, CPQ. I assume you have well funded equips, so you should Slash Blast the crap out of Rooms 3-4 from early 30s til 40 or so, asking for summons whenever possible, then mix it up until 50 with some Rooms 5-6 Rombot pwning and finding friends/TW groups to summon for you in Rooms 3-4.

IIRC, you're making a spearman. What are you getting after Mastery, HB or FA? If FA, Rombotting will be better than with no FA, though still not as good as mass summons. FA reduces mass summon killing speed slightly. But you'll still get 1k+ CP, which is way more than enough to get good EXP. (From experience with my page, who has max FA.)

[WillDaSnail]

Not getting FA, going hybrid. Picking HB after Mastery/Booster (Spear) - plan to have Mastery/Booster (Spear) and HB down by Level 50-51.

From my previous experinces playing level 4x characters I own, CPQ is quite a mess, IMO. There's too many cheap asses (excuse my language) that simply party you and ditch you for their personal 1v1 battles. Its quite disguisting. So whatever it takes, I'd like to avoid CPQ at all costs.

[Dusk]

Quick question: I know Panic is useless with Brandish, but what about Coma? Do Heroes still use Coma when mobbing?

[sicnarf]

Usually the only time I use a finisher is when I'm about to recast combo or to finish off a boss, so generally no.

[modular]

i use it specifically when i have a mob of 6+ skeles, but imo its usually a mistake in terms of dps and only useful because i just rushed 6 skeles and want them stunned. i dont hit high enough to 2hko everything after using coma. :/

itll probably be useful in 17x or 18x when i can 2hko skele on any amount of orbs... but hopefully there will be stronger monsters to train on by then. excluding cgs.

[WillDaSnail]

One quick question: For Pole Arm Fury, is it constantly hitting 6 monsters at any given level?

(If so, I might dump a point in it for the heck of it and just fury away at MP3. Do note that Im going hybrid for my future DrK)

[Twilight]

One quick question: For Pole Arm Fury, is it constantly hitting 6 monsters at any given level?

(If so, I might dump a point in it for the heck of it and just fury away at MP3. Do note that Im going hybrid for my future DrK)

Yes.

[Kawji]

Where should a level 56 Spearman/Pure Spear train? Any suggestions?

[blade686]

Where should a level 56 Spearman/Pure Spear train? Any suggestions?

If i were you i would try Drake's Hunting Ground (right after all the evil eye caves), or Jr Yetis, but my opinion might be outdated.

[MasPan]

If i were you i would try Drake's Hunting Ground (right after all the evil eye caves), or Jr Yetis, but my opinion might be outdated.

FoG would be better, given our nice new equips. Windraiders from 60-65+ would be good.