Road 5, raika and HH training

[USMC]

Gained another level today while killing to unlock ob road 5, making my HH lv28 with 40secs CD. While I was in road 4, I counted 1.1-1.2mil in 10minz exp solely using rush and HH, same exp as I was getting a few levels ago in QCG, which was really really disappointing.

And as I finally gonna try out road 5, raika was there. Seduce killed me a few times since I didn't know I couldn't pot during it. And killing him just takes too long since it's weak to poison, and the high avoid is killing me too.

So before I attempt it again, I would like to ask how long does it take for him to respawn? If it's 2hrs like lily and dodo I'm so not gonna train there.

And the map lay out doesn't seem like HH friendly..dang:f1:

[Link]

Yeah... According to a JMS Database website, similar to Hidden-Street, the spawn time for Raika is 1.5~2 hours.

[USMC]

That's breaking my heart </3

And guess what, skele just give me 2.35% in 10minz, and it still have room of improvement since the CD is still too long I was unable to HH top and bottom continuously.

How ironic, maxed HH for OCG training and it might end up going back to skele:eek:

[IllegallySane]

Isn't Road 4 the best training spot? Raika is a total pain in the ass to kill thanks to Seducelol.

[USMC]

Unless I'm doing something wrong, or maxed HH makes a big difference over lv28 HH, the exp I'm getting at road 4 is very disappointing.

The map lacks left-right teleport, and there's a gap between the top platforms, making it hard to gather. Also left mid has no platform, making it impossible to drop down from top left.

[USMC]

Maxed HH today, 3.02%(1.5mil) in 10minz at road 4. And 2.52% at skele. How is this exp compared to skele with 2hko bish?

[MasPan]

Unless I'm doing something wrong, or maxed HH makes a big difference over lv28 HH, the exp I'm getting at road 4 is very disappointing.

The map lacks left-right teleport, and there's a gap between the top platforms, making it hard to gather. Also left mid has no platform, making it impossible to drop down from top left.

There is a left-right teleport at the top (close to the center of the top left/top right platforms, near where the gap is). When you go up, move right, go to top, warp left, drop down, move right, drop down, move left, use bottom warp to go up. I made a diagram of this, let me go find it.

As a PA DrK, I get appx 10m an hour exp on 1x (1.75m exp per 10mins or so). If you can't match that hammer-rushing, something is wrong.

Warp locations - http://i43.tinypic.com/b82w3k.jpg

[USMC]

How come photobucket doesn't allow me to upload pic o.O

Anyways what I do is this:

Start from top mid, rush right, HH, kill them.
Drop down to top mid again, rush left, HH, kill them.
Drop to to top mid once again, tele down, move all the way left, rush all the way right, HH, kill them.
And repeat.

I think it's the bottom that's messing with me. Things would go so smooth if there's a platform on top of bottom left, so i can divide the map into 4. Or if there were a left-right tele on bottom, I wouldn't have to run all the way left and rush all the way right just to make sure the spawn doesn't get messed up.

Also HH CD is still abit long, If I do top right perfectly, I will have to wait a few seconds to cast it after I set up top left. Same goes for bottom right, that's another reason why I do bottom all together.

I'ma try other methods tomorrow to see if I can pull out more from this, but as far as today I have always been getting 1.5m/10minz.


Edit:

Btw you have maxed rush right? How much does it help there?

[KajitiSouls]

The only problem I have with your training cycle is your approach on the bottom floor. The 2nd floor (that little platform to the right) mostly consists of Oblivion Guardians and is consequently easier to handle. Now, I dunno about your regular attack power, but I can easily wipe out this floor in less than 10 seconds, so it'll save me a little back-forth trip on the bottom floor.

I'm sorry to say, the exp coming from teaming up with a 2-hit KO bishop at skeles just can't be beat.

As for the map with Raika (Lyka), there are two teles: the usual central pillar tele from 1st to 3rd floor (careful! Raika spawns there!) and the statues on the 4th floor. I personally don't like this map, even with Raika removed and pure Chief Oblivion Guardian spawns, because the spawn on the 3rd floor is quite pathetic and it's annoying to clean up so few mobs on such a large platform.

[USMC]

You mean clear the 2nd floor with normal attacks and rush bottom? Well I'm using a maple sword so I can hit them 100% so I can't really kill, 20 CBs maybe. And by the time I kill them, it would be the same if I just walked and rushed bottom all HH them all together.


I tried it again today and tried different approaches, highest I got was 1.7m exp in 10minz, and lowest was 1.45mil, so average 1.6m exp. Not bad compared to solo with CB, but not as good as I thought either >.<

And I found it pretty annoying with rushing delay and climbing up and down

B<SP reset :f4: rather max holy charge and blast for better bossing ability

[KajitiSouls]

You mean clear the 2nd floor with normal attacks and rush bottom? Well I'm using a maple sword so I can hit them 100% so I can't really kill, 20 CBs maybe. And by the time I kill them, it would be the same if I just walked and rushed bottom all HH them all together.


I tried it again today and tried different approaches, highest I got was 1.7m exp in 10minz, and lowest was 1.45mil, so average 1.6m exp. Not bad compared to solo with CB, but not as good as I thought either >.<

And I found it pretty annoying with rushing delay and climbing up and down

B<SP reset :f4: rather max holy charge and blast for better bossing ability

WHAT!! You are definitely doing something wrong! Gtfo of Oblivion 4 o.O

By the way, it's better to hit 100% of the time, but just barely, and focus the rest of your resources on attack power.

[MasPan]

I'll have to make a video, I suppose. I need something better than 30 seconds of fraps for that though.

As for Rush, I maxed it for damage, not for distance - I can break 16,750 with it, nearing 17,000. The distance helps, but I needed it more because I spend so much time focusing on building mobs. It reduces my hits to kill once the mob is gathered by a pomegranateton.

Also, 1.6m in 10minutes is 9.6m exp an hour. You're acting like that's nothing.

[KajitiSouls]

As for Rush, I maxed it for damage, not for distance - I can break 16,750 with it, nearing 17,000. The distance helps, but I needed it more because I spend so much time focusing on building mobs. It reduces my hits to kill once the mob is gathered by a pomegranateton.

You sure that's not with SE? Because it seems really fishy that you can do 17k Rushes, even with Apples.

[MasPan]

You sure that's not with SE? Because it seems really fishy that you can do 17k Rushes, even with Apples.

Rush = 120% damage x2 (Berserk) = 240%.

7,098 x 2.4 = 17040

[KajitiSouls]

Rush = 120% damage x2 (Berserk) = 240%.

7,098 x 2.4 = 17040

Oh right Berserk. Dayum that's sexy xD

[MasPan]

Oh right Berserk. Dayum that's sexy xD

Yep. There's a reason I maxed it starting at like 141.

[USMC]

I'm not sure how much regular attacks would help me there. I have 151 accuracy with regular sword, 161 with pill. I have quiet some room to upgrade to 172 accuracy. But not sure if it's worth it. My average CB damage with ice charge is around 13k, so that's 11hits to kill a mob.

As for the exp, I have no idea how good or how bad it is compared to others. I only remember(roughly) my exp gain in % on my BM, before the curve, so I really have no reference on this.

But if you only gain 1.7m/10minz at level 158, I think it's good then. I'm just unsure if I'm making the most out of it, seeing I delayed other skills to maxed it purely looking for the grinding ability it offers, I expected more.

[MasPan]

I'm not sure how much regular attacks would help me there. I have 151 accuracy with regular sword, 161 with pill. I have quiet some room to upgrade to 172 accuracy. But not sure if it's worth it. My average CB damage with ice charge is around 13k, so that's 11hits to kill a mob.

As for the exp, I have no idea how good or how bad it is compared to others. I only remember(roughly) my exp gain in % on my BM, before the curve, so I really have no reference on this.

But if you only gain 1.7m/10minz at level 158, I think it's good then. I'm just unsure if I'm making the most out of it, seeing I delayed other skills to maxed it purely looking for the grinding ability it offers, I expected more.

Why would you be using Ice Charge, unless you're worried about damage? They aren't ice weak. The most you could do to train faster is split the map with someone. This limits how much you move and increases available spawn. With someone else taking the bottom and myself on the top 2 rows, I can get closer to 2m experience in 10minutes.

[Takebacker]

Why would you be using Ice Charge, unless you're worried about damage? They aren't ice weak. The most you could do to train faster is split the map with someone. This limits how much you move and increases available spawn. With someone else taking the bottom and myself on the top 2 rows, I can get closer to 2m experience in 10minutes.

Ice = frozen = easier since he 2hko's anyway.

[USMC]

They aren't weak to any other charge either, and HH reduce hp to 1 regardless of attack power, so I would rather freeze them and take less damage.


Never done spliting, for the fact I haven't seen 1 person there that's not for the quest.


Maybe sticking a HS mule there would be great, if I ever make one :heart:

[KajitiSouls]

Ice BanHammer = immobilized mobs. It's awesome, like the ultimate blizzard effect.

USMC, I make better exp there than you, and my BanHammer level is only 27 =(

[USMC]

^OMG >.<

Can you explain how you do it please!!?




Going to sleep, gonna check back tomorrow~

[MasPan]

Ice BanHammer = immobilized mobs. It's awesome, like the ultimate blizzard effect.

USMC, I make better exp there than you, and my BanHammer level is only 27 =(

I know. I was curious why he was stating his damage with Ice Charge, though, if he's 2hitting anyway.

[KajitiSouls]

^OMG >.<

Can you explain how you do it please!!?

I call it damage and killing stuff =D I do over twice your damage at any rate, and I'm not known for being a damage wh0re (but I do have a Stonetooth). It's also possible that your cycle isn't as efficient as it could be; mine only requires climbing one ladder.


I know. I was curious why he was stating his damage with Ice Charge, though, if he's 2hitting anyway.

Because what else is he going to do between those 20 seconds of cooldown besides killing the BanHammered, twiddle his thumbs?

[MasPan]

I call it damage and killing stuff =D I do over twice your damage at any rate, and I'm not known for being a damage wh0re (but I do have a Stonetooth). It's also possible that your cycle isn't as efficient as it could be; mine only requires climbing one ladder.


Because what else is he going to do between those 20 seconds of cooldown besides killing the BanHammered, twiddle his thumbs?

Same. I'm proud that I can keep up with nukers at a high level area :D
I also have a lot of room to improve - if I can get down to 4/5hits without Rushing, I can probably get my exp up to about 13-14m exp an hour.

[USMC]

Maybe it's time to upgrade my gear o.O

Shit so poor

[ArbalistMaster]

I'm surprised no one has posted this:

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credits to Cyanne for youtubing it and whoever made it

[USMC]

That's the video that convinced me to go HH first, but he's doing it like crap.