A more efficient double washing method for Brawlers and Warriors

[IllegallySane]

After my stupid mistake of double washing from MP to HP, and then from MP to STR, I found a more efficient way. The only requirement is you have many levels ahead of you to do this method, since you are washing every other level.

So I was raging when I got so pre-occupied smacking around Chief Oblivion Guardians that I forgot to put on INT gear at 99.98%. I had the idea of putting on my 9x INT gear and add 5 points into MP and take it out into STR, because the AP reset sale makes it very easy to experiment.

I gained roughly 35 MP extra MP on top of the MP I automatically gain from leveling up. It may not seem like much, but this 35 MP means that if I feel like doing so, I can wash out 2 AP the next time I level for 76-80 extra HP. This is very different from my double washing experience from MP to HP. I lost ~27 MP to gain the very same results.

I can't believe how simple it is. For warriors and Brawlers, this is the correct way to double wash:

1. 5 AP to MP while wearing INT gear
2. Wash out 5 AP from MP
3. Add the 5 AP into STR
4. The next time you level up, add AP into HP. HP ability applies
5. Wash out AP from MP
6. Add the AP into STR

Why do this? Because for double washing purposes, it's twice as effective for Brawlers, and about 2.5x as effective for Warriors.

ThomasLuthor was double washing the way Thieves/Archers/Corsairs do it, and it's an incredible waste. He was probably only gaining 20 HP per AP and loses 40 MP per level. He had about 14x INT gear if I remembered correctly.

The former double washing method would do this for him:
Level up: +16-18 washable MP
Double washing: Level up MP (16-18) + 5 AP (60-70) - 10 AP of MP = 36-48 extra MP left. Gains about 100-110 HP per level.

The method I am brainstorming for ThomasLuthor:
Level up: +16-18 MP
Double washing:
1. Level up MP (16-18) + 5 AP to MP (60-70 MP) - 5 AP of MP = 56-68 extra MP left.
2. Level up again. Level up MP (16-18) + previous level MP (56-68) + 5 AP to HP (~+250 HP) - 5 AP of MP = 52-66 MP extra MP left, +250 HP (~+125 HP a level)

All in all, this method is more efficient because while you are washing every other level, you are washing more efficiently because you have the Improving Max HP Increase skill, and also overall gaining more HP a level.

Why does it work? Because instead of washing out 5 AP worth of MP to gain a certain amount of HP, you are washing out 6 AP worth of MP to gain MORE HP while losing less net MP. It's a win-win situation. :tongue:

Say I had the same equipment for my pirate:

Thief/Archer/Corsair double washing method:
Level up: +16-20 MP
1. Level up MP (16-20) + 5 AP to MP (140-150) - 10 AP of MP (-160) = (-4)-10 extra MP left. Gains 80 HP per level

Proposed method:
1. Level up MP (16-20) + 5 AP to MP (140-150 MP) - 5 AP of MP = 76-90 extra MP left.
2. Level up again. Level up MP (16-20) + previous level MP (76-90) + 5 AP to HP (~+200 HP) - 5 AP of MP = 12-30 MP extra MP left, ~+200 HP (~+100 HP a level)

Double washing is then super easy for warriors.
Brawlers still need to be funded, but it's more doable than before, because before the requirement was closer to 160 INT when leveling, which is insanely more expensive then 140 INT. Heck, I can probably get away with 120-130 INT in gear. Even more, with how cheap AP resets are, I may consider resetting STR into INT to be able to double wash until the cows come home (200). Hello +5,000 HP at 200? <--- very hypothetical example.





*Credit goes to Stereo for mentioning this idea in a previous thread I made about double washing despite few people reading his comment. I didn't know you already knew this idea before I thought of it. :ohno:

[Chompy]

I feel all of maplestory owes you a great debt.
Come to bellocan and recieve your 100 slime bubbles from me :glitter:

[Takebacker]

I thought this was how you double washed in the first place. ._. Now i know. :3

[Stereo]

I want credit for mentioning this in the thread where you said double washing doesn't work for brawlers D:<

[IllegallySane]

I want credit for mentioning this in the thread where you said double washing doesn't work for brawlers D:<

I didn't see your post when this thought came to mind. :f4:

But okay. :poast:

[Nikkey]

Nice way to describe it. Shows how it works, and how it gives you more hp than using the "casual" way of double washing. props.

Bellocanists, isn't this the way we've always done it...?

At least we did it that way all the time "in the beginning" of Bellocan.

[IllegallySane]

Isn't this the way we've always done it...?

At least we did it that way all the time "in the beginning" of Bellocan.

The thought never came to me until now. I don't experiment around in Maple as much as some people do, and I was blinded by the other way of double washing. Hopefully at least, this thread will help inform more people about this way of double washing; I'm sure some warriors/brawlers are doing it the Thief way, repeatedly. :eek:

[Beaner]

i knew this, but thanks for making it even more complicated

[EmuAlert]

Wait, so does this mean that by adding points into MP then washing them back out, you can gain total MP? Could you do this repeatatively until you hit max MP?

[IllegallySane]

Wait, so does this mean that by adding points into MP then washing them back out, you can gain total MP? Could you do this repeatatively until you hit max MP?

It can only be done with AP you gained from leveling up because the bonus MP you get from INT gear apply only then. Adding an AP into MP and trying to wash it back out will be like this: Add AP +12-14 MP; take back out AP-16 MP. You lose MP instead because the INT bonus won't kick in.

[EmuAlert]

It can only be done with AP you gained from leveling up because the bonus MP you get from INT gear apply only then. Adding an AP into MP and trying to wash it back out will be like this: Add AP +12-14 MP; take back out AP-16 MP. You lose MP instead because the INT bonus won't kick in.

Ah, didn't know that. Kind of an absurd feature if you ask me. Still, the TRULY most efficient way to HP wash would be to put points into and out of MP every level up, not just half of them, and only do the classic HP wash technique by resetting points out of STR.

[JoeTang]

Ah, didn't know that. Kind of an absurd feature if you ask me. Still, the TRULY most efficient way to HP wash would be to put points into and out of MP every level up, not just half of them, and only do the classic HP wash technique by resetting points out of STR.

You obviously don't know what efficient means.

[Sivrat]

Ah, didn't know that. Kind of an absurd feature if you ask me. Still, the TRULY most efficient way to HP wash would be to put points into and out of MP every level up, not just half of them, and only do the classic HP wash technique by resetting points out of STR.

uh, no, that is problem. If you add points to HP or MP from anywhere other then level up AP(i.e. if you use a reset to put the point there) then you only get your class's minimum base gain for that stat. I.E. boosts from skills dont apply. So if you do on brawler or warrior, you dont gain bonus from Improving Max HP, and if you do on a Mage, you dont get Improving Max MP bonus.

Also, I guess its nice that its now being written somewhere, but honestly i realized this like a few months ago... after paladin buddy made mistake of resetting his dex into hp, i realized if you do it that way max hp increase likely doesnt work

And just to point out, unless you have 130+ int to level up with/add to mp with, you cant actually reset 5 points from hp every other level. You gain the minimum amount when you add ap into INT, and lose max when removing. So with 126 int total, when i put a point into mp, i only gained 25 mp. Resetting into str took away 16, which left me 9 extra. Leveling up twice (gaining 12 extra mp each time) would give me 9 * 5 + 24 = 69 extra mp every 2 levels. Which is enough for 4.3 washes. I dunno if 130 int would do it, but 140 int is almost certain.

[Phoenix]

This is basically wash mp one level, wash hp the next?

I don't exactly see the point of this for warriors though, unless they want high MP as well, since regular old washing with 130+ int for a warrior will never really hit their minimum, and reach their desired hp faster?

Or am I dreadfully wrong. Cause Right now I'm 171 and by regularly washing every level I can hit max hp with hb in 12 levels, without hitting my min mp. Would this help me?

[EmuAlert]

uh, no, that is problem. If you add points to HP or MP from anywhere other then level up AP(i.e. if you use a reset to put the point there) then you only get your class's minimum base gain for that stat. I.E. boosts from skills dont apply. So if you do on brawler or warrior, you dont gain bonus from Improving Max HP, and if you do on a Mage, you dont get Improving Max MP bonus.

Ah, I didn't know that level-up AP got any special privileges before this thread, so excuse my noobyness. Still, my idea would still apply for bowmen/thieves/corsairs, right? Each level they'd be gaining the maximum amount of MP they possibly could, and resetting into HP would only make you lose out on 4 or so HP (compared to applying after you level), which would be more than canceled out by the extra MP you gain each level.

[Nikkey]

This is basically wash mp one level, wash hp the next?

Not really. You'd only have to mp-wash every 5 level if you have good equips, and maybe not at all if you have really good int equips. (I know of one certain person who has such equips...)

[TomasLuther]

Hehe i only did that with 1 Ap to try and see if by placing AP from MP into HP you could also get the HP increase bonus which you can't.

I'm doing this same method since lvl 171 and i can wash 4-5 full lvls by MP washing only 1 lvl and i'm loving it. Sadly it won't get me to 30k Hp base.

Lvl 187 and im at almost 22k.