Buy a truck, get a free AK-47!

[xpimnoob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e60VhXBo1S8

alright, this video brings up a large number of discussions.


just a few comments...

ridiculous salesmen strategies.
this opens doors to selling things with promises of weapons and maybe eventually bombs. it encourages people to try new things and see how they work. it encourages consumers to use firearms.

typical civilians owning guns.
i don't really feel like going in depth with this since there are lots of arguments about this already.

religion in our society.
people continue to use God in any slogan and justify what we do and say its for "religion". and that guy is kind of funny when he responds to the girl by saying Jesus didn't have ak47's at his time.

also, the cnn reporter keeps trying to avoid other people judging her by saying some people when in reality she is going like i hate this guy. (i guess this goes under something along the lines of proper newsreporting?)


i'm sure there are a lot of things you can say about this.

[KajitiSouls]

*cough*Holy Crusades *cough*

"Killing in the name of God" comes to mind. So does "Killing in the name of Allah" and so forth. Personally, I think this is farfetched a silly.

[Beaner]

i rather buy my AK 47s in bulk thank you very much

[Greg22]

I'll just copy paste one of the comments from that video, since it pretty much sums up what I think of it:

"F(uck cnn. and f(uck that b'itch reporter. God guns and guts is what made this country a super power, so shut the f(uck up all you anti gun hippies. and remember the real men who protect you carry guns"

[Christopher]

I'll just copy paste one of the comments from that video, since it pretty much sums up what I think of it:

"F(uck cnn. and f(uck that b'itch reporter. God guns and guts is what made this country a super power, so shut the f(uck up all you anti gun hippies. and remember the real men who protect you carry guns"

gotta love those libertarians

[Lozmaster]

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Jesus didn't need a gun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pUrsUORF4Y&feature=related

Ok being serious, I'm not sure that I agree with the idea of giving away weapons as a promotion with trucks, but hey, if it's legal in the country you happen to be in, and given the [supposedly] sharp increase of gun crime in the UK where guns aren't generally legal to own, maybe he has a point about defending yourself.

[Myles]

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Jesus didn't need a gun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pUrsUORF4Y&feature=related

Ok being serious, I'm not sure that I agree with the idea of giving away weapons as a promotion with trucks, but hey, if it's legal in the country you happen to be in, and given the [supposedly] sharp increase of gun crime in the UK where guns aren't generally legal to own, maybe he has a point about defending yourself.

gunlessness didn't help him survive.

[xBTAx]

I'll just copy paste one of the comments from that video, since it pretty much sums up what I think of it:

"F(uck cnn. and f(uck that b'itch reporter. God guns and guts is what made this country a super power, so shut the f(uck up all you anti gun hippies. and remember the real men who protect you carry guns"

Just looking at the comments... Some people are just plain idiots.

Of course, that applies to most youtube comments. :tongue:

[Derimed]

I'll just copy paste one of the comments from that video, since it pretty much sums up what I think of it:

"F(uck cnn. and f(uck that b'itch reporter. God guns and guts is what made this country a super power, so shut the f(uck up all you anti gun hippies. and remember the real men who protect you carry guns"

Cops and soldiers generally go through a quality control process, by which the criminally insane are USUALLY prevented from holding guns in an official capacity.

[SuGaRnSp1C3]

I'll just copy paste one of the comments from that video, since it pretty much sums up what I think of it:

"F(uck cnn. and f(uck that b'itch reporter. God guns and guts is what made this country a super power, so shut the f(uck up all you anti gun hippies. and remember the real men & women who protect you carry guns"

fixed :f2: although I think he should have added that in.

And I own a gun too.. nough said :f2:.

[Kigaz]

*cough*Holy Crusades *cough*

"Killing in the name of God" comes to mind. So does "Killing in the name of Allah" and so forth. Personally, I think this is farfetched a silly.

God=Allah.
Its more "Killing in the name of *insert religion here*"

[Derimed]

God=Allah.
Its more "Killing in the name of *insert religion here*"

Not quite.

I know you're Muslim and I am sure you're not a terrorist, so that's not what I am going to say here. But the Muslim Allah is NOT the Christian and Jewish God, at least not the way the Muslims who are in charge of the Muslim world see it.

Your religion's culture in the Mid East is best described as "medieval." Women are property of men, converting from Islam to Christianity can be punished by death in places, Jews had to flee most Muslim countries in fear of their lives and divested of all their assets, (I've met some of them,) Iran held a Holocaust denial convention and executed its porn stars and said there "are no gays in Iran," in some places theft is punished by hacking off the thief's hand, the region reacts viciously with threats to any public criticism of the prophet Muhammad, (prophet Muhammad cartoons,) and more terrorists are Muslim than from any other culture, etc etc etc. ALL of this is done in the name of Allah. This is not because Muslims are warped evil savages, it's because they are a medieval society. When Christians were a medieval society they did horrible things such as the Inquisition, Crusades, pogroms, and witch-hunts. Part of being a Christian is acknowledging this was bad, which is why Christianity for the most part has moved past that. Islam, as a whole has NOT. They defend their medieval lifestyle, (some liberal Muslims criticize it, but they are most definitely not on top right now,) and it'll be a while till that changes. With the oil money flowing freely, the Arab leaders see no reason to change anything -- they are rich and powerful, and change would mean they would be less so. The standard Arab political message is making a show of condemning the barbarities to pander to Western liberals while in reality doing everything to profit from them.

I have to wonder why Western liberals defend a society's "right to exist" which stands for literally EVERYTHING Western liberalism is against. Exercising most of the rights liberals hold dear carry the risk of DEATH in teh arab world, as was made abundantly clear during the recent Iran elections.

If you're gonna defend your religion, you have a right to do that, but everybody knows that a lot of bad stuff HAS been committed by Islam. For every Ted Kahzynsky or Tim McVeigh there are thousands of Khalid Sheikh Mohhameds. While it's fair to argue that not all Muslims are terrorists or bad people, trying to whitewash the bad elements within your religion and culture will NOT work. People are wary and distrustful, and there is without doubt cause for that. I personally was next to Ground 0 on 9/11, and I saw arabs on my campus try to blame that on America's foreign policy, so I personally am wary as well.

[Myles]

Not quite.

I know you're Muslim and I am sure you're not a terrorist, so that's not what I am going to say here. But the Muslim Allah is NOT the Christian and Jewish God, at least not the way the Muslims who are in charge of the Muslim world see it.

I don't see how this is right. Allah is the god of Islamic faith, and the Christian God is the god of the Christian faith. Although, the capital on God signifies the Christian god, Kigaz is still right in saying they are both gods.

[Derimed]

I don't see how this is right. Allah is the god of Islamic faith, and the Christian God is the god of the Christian faith. Although, the capital on God signifies the Christian god, Kigaz is still right in saying they are both gods.

"God" is benevolent, forgiving and good. Not for every Christian, but for Christianity in general. That goes for Jews too.
"Allah" promises you 72 virgins for blowing up a plane. Not for every Muslim or even most Muslims, but there's way too many of them that DO believe that. A LOT of them support this position though maybe they are not terrorists themselves. Enough that there is pretty wide consensus that Islam is NOT the "Religion of Peace."

These two positions cannot be reconciled, hence the tremendous mess between Judeo-Christianity and Islam as we are seeing now.

By the way, our differences aside, you being a Western-thinking homosexual, they would EXECUTE you if anyone found out you were gay, probably in a public manner, such as a beheading, which would then be broadcasted to the whole region via Al Jazeera TV.

[Myles]

"God" is benevolent, forgiving and good. Not for every Christian, but for Christianity in general. That goes for Jews too.
"Allah" promises you 72 virgins for blowing up a plane. Not for every Muslim or even most Muslims, but there's way too many of them that DO believe that. A LOT of them support this position though maybe they are not terrorists themselves. Enough that there is pretty wide consensus that Islam is NOT the "Religion of Peace."

These two positions cannot be reconciled, hence the tremendous mess between Judeo-Christianity and Islam as we are seeing now.

By the way, our differences aside, you being a Western-thinking homosexual, they would EXECUTE you if anyone found out you were gay, probably in a public manner, such as a beheading, which would then be broadcasted to the whole region via Al Jazeera TV.

Yes but Kigaz was saying that fighting for your god is essentially the same thing, whereas you jumped on and started on about how different the religions and cultures are.

[Derimed]

Yes but Kigaz was saying that fighting for your god is essentially the same thing, whereas you jumped on and started on about how different the religions and cultures are.

Straw man.

I didn't say Islam is inferior for their vision of God, but rather for being a medieval society, and that a medieval society's God is by nature more cruel and sadistic than a Western liberal democracy's God.

[Myles]

Straw man.

I didn't say Islam is inferior for their vision of God, but rather for being a medieval society, and that a medieval society's God is by nature more cruel and sadistic than a Western liberal democracy's God.

Juxtaposition, much? You say their god isn't inferior to a westerner's god, yet you say because of their culture it is more 'cruel and sadistic'? Surly those infer that you are suggesting an Islamic god is inferior to a westerner's.

[Derimed]

Juxtaposition, much? You say their god isn't inferior to a westerner's god, yet you say because of their culture it is more 'cruel and sadistic'? Surly those infer that you are suggesting an Islamic god is inferior to a westerner's.

I already made an extremely detailed argument on why and how this is so in this very thread, I am not going to repeat it.

Stuff like this goes to the core of what bothered me about you on SW and why I headdesked when you came to SP: you are so intent on antagonizing people who you disagree with that you'll make arguments that have little or no sense to them just for the sake of antagonizing people. You defending middle eastern arab society is like me, a Jew, defending Hitler. Literally and without any exagerration. THEY WANt YOU DEAD. tHEY WANT TO KILL YOU, DIP THEIR HANDS IN YOUR BLOOD AND WAVE THEM AROUND AND SHOW IT ON LIVE TV. There is fuucking MEDIA FOOTAGE of a lot of cases like this that leaked out before the Arab propagandists could do do damage control, such as when arabs set a convoy of nurses and doctors on fire ALIVE, and they'd do it to you because you're gay, but to bicker with me you'll defend even THEM. Back you go on my ignore list, I am done here.

[Myles]

I already made an extremely detailed argument on why and how this is so in this very thread, I am not going to repeat it.

Stuff like this goes to the core of what bothered me about you on SW and why I headdesked when you came to SP: you are so intent on antagonizing people who you disagree with that you'll make arguments that have little or no sense to them just for the sake of antagonizing people. You defending middle eastern arab society is like me, a Jew, defending Hitler. Literally and without any exagerration. THEY WANt YOU DEAD. tHEY WANT TO KILL YOU, DIP THEIR HANDS IN YOUR BLOOD AND WAVE THEM AROUND AND SHOW IT ON LIVE TV. There is fuucking MEDIA FOOTAGE of a lot of cases like this that leaked out before the Arab propagandists could do do damage control, such as when arabs set a convoy of nurses and doctors on fire ALIVE, and they'd do it to you because you're gay, but to bicker with me you'll defend even THEM. Back you go on my ignore list, I am done here.

I don't see what I've done wrong in this thread. I'm defending thousands of innocent people. You're just stereotyping every single Arab as a bloodthursty suicide bomber. So now, homophobic and racist. Good motherf'ucking game.

[Derimed]

I don't see what I've done wrong in this thread. I'm defending thousands of innocent people. You're just stereotyping every single Arab as a bloodthursty suicide bomber. So now, homophobic and racist. Good motherf'ucking game.

Bolded portions do not conform to your description of my argument. Straw man #2. I really think you should fly to Iran and announce that you're a homosexual. It would be a good learning experience for you.


Not quite.

I know you're Muslim and I am sure you're not a terrorist, so that's not what I am going to say here. But the Muslim Allah is NOT the Christian and Jewish God, at least not the way the Muslims who are in charge of the Muslim world see it.

Your religion's culture in the Mid East is best described as "medieval." Women are property of men, converting from Islam to Christianity can be punished by death in places, Jews had to flee most Muslim countries in fear of their lives and divested of all their assets, (I've met some of them,) Iran held a Holocaust denial convention and executed its porn stars and said there "are no gays in Iran," in some places theft is punished by hacking off the thief's hand, the region reacts viciously with threats to any public criticism of the prophet Muhammad, (prophet Muhammad cartoons,) and more terrorists are Muslim than from any other culture, etc etc etc. ALL of this is done in the name of Allah. This is not because Muslims are warped evil savages, it's because they are a medieval society. When Christians were a medieval society they did horrible things such as the Inquisition, Crusades, pogroms, and witch-hunts. Part of being a Christian is acknowledging this was bad, which is why Christianity for the most part has moved past that. Islam, as a whole has NOT. They defend their medieval lifestyle, (some liberal Muslims criticize it, but they are most definitely not on top right now,) and it'll be a while till that changes. With the oil money flowing freely, the Arab leaders see no reason to change anything -- they are rich and powerful, and change would mean they would be less so. The standard Arab political message is making a show of condemning the barbarities to pander to Western liberals while in reality doing everything to profit from them.

I have to wonder why Western liberals defend a society's "right to exist" which stands for literally EVERYTHING Western liberalism is against. Exercising most of the rights liberals hold dear carry the risk of DEATH in teh arab world, as was made abundantly clear during the recent Iran elections.

If you're gonna defend your religion, you have a right to do that, but everybody knows that a lot of bad stuff HAS been committed by Islam. For every Ted Kahzynsky or Tim McVeigh there are thousands of Khalid Sheikh Mohhameds. While it's fair to argue that not all Muslims are terrorists or bad people, trying to whitewash the bad elements within your religion and culture will NOT work. People are wary and distrustful, and there is without doubt cause for that. I personally was next to Ground 0 on 9/11, and I saw arabs on my campus try to blame that on America's foreign policy, so I personally am wary as well.

[Rob]

I fail to see how this thread is even intelligent discussion.

[Myles]

Bolded portions do not conform to your description of my argument. Straw man #2. I really think you should fly to Iran and announce that you're a homosexual. It would be a good learning experience for you.

Why the f'uck do you have to bring my sexuality into this? I'm defending the non-bloodthirsty arabs which you are out-rightly insulting them.

EDIT: What happened to putting me on your ignore list again?

[Derimed]

Why the f'uck do you have to bring my sexuality into this? I'm defending the non-bloodthirsty arabs which you are out-rightly insulting them.


Middle Eastern society hates homosexuals and wants them dead. Anybody even faintly familiar with the region will know that. You are arguing this point despite your own fundamental interests, which frankly makes you look stupid.

Since I am attacking SOME arabs and not ALL arabs, adn I have made it abundantly clear that NOT ALL ARABS ARE TERRORISTS it is therefore true that I am attakcing those specific Arabs that ARE terrorists or terrorist symphasizers. YOU keep strawmanning my arguments with your typical fruity logic, and YOU keep putting words in my mouth that I did not say.

Ok, ignore list. Go on and have "your last word," as you usually do. Jesus, I can't wait till you mouth off enough to get permabanned.


I fail to see how this thread is even intelligent discussion.

When half your family lives in Israel and you spent a good portion of your college years learning to argue against outright terrorist symphasizers, (such as who blame 9/11 on American foreign policy) what you say will be correct and informed, but very aggressive and not necessarily pleasant. This is intelligent discussion because I am describing the Middle East as it IS rather than how it tries to portray itself in Western media. If you do not believe me, read BBC.co.uk for 6 months looking at the Middle East section, you will periodically see direct segments from what I am talking about appearing in news regarding the region.

[Myles]

Middle Eastern society hates homosexuals and wants them dead. Anybody even faintly familiar with the region will know that. You are arguing this point despite your own fundamental interests, which frankly makes you look stupid.

Since I am attacking SOME arabs and not ALL arabs, adn I have made it abundantly clear that NOT ALL ARABS ARE TERRORISTS it is therefore true that I am attakcing those specific Arabs that ARE terrorists or terrorist symphasizers. YOU keep strawmanning my arguments with your typical fruity logic, and YOU keep putting words in my mouth that I did not say.

Ok, ignore list. Go on and have "your last word," as you usually do. Jesus, I can't wait till you mouth off enough to get permabanned.

Yes, they hate homosexuals. Congratu-f'ucking-lations. So do a lot of westerners. Point? I can still defend people who hate me. It's called 'not-being-a-dickful-hate-person'. You should try it sometimes.

And I don't see why you bring my sexuality into everything we argue about. I don't bring your jewness into everything do I? And why the f'uck do you have a Nexon avatar with the hint of nazism? isn't that just disrespecting every jew? since, incase you forgot, the nazis killed millions of jews.

[Providence]

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