View Full Version : Base DEX
Jirai
2008-07-02, 08:30 PM
I'm sure as a Warrior you're well aware of how important capping your base DEX is.
I created my character quite a while ago and was told that I should cap DEX at 80.
...So I did.
But now I regret it.
It would take $124 to reset 40 of that DEX into STR. That's quite a lot of money to spend just to improve my damage.
But that's 40 more points into STR, 8 levels worth of STR. And I would still have just about enough acc to hit everything I would train on.
What would you do, leave the DEX as is, or spend the money towards reseting it?
I personally have 85 dex, lolololololololol.
I made my warrior a long time ago, too. I say keep your dex as is. It's not like DMG is everything in maple, plus it may come in hand later...
Tiffany
2008-07-02, 09:38 PM
Throw some junk into MTS and try resetting some of it and see how that goes.
TLeviathan
2008-07-02, 09:40 PM
Use MTS for NX to reset. Yea it'll cost you a pretty penny, but it's a digital penny you're spending instead of those real ones in your pocket.
Hazzy
2008-07-02, 09:43 PM
You can try Trade-Merchating, or you can keep your high-Dex and try to make it up with overall STR scrolls. xP
Course, 40 Str on a Sauna is less than a 1% chance of happening... Lol.
Get a Warrior overall with 7 or so Str. xP Now you're up to 3.6% chance of getting to to 40 Str. XD
Hmm, both seem hard, I say go hybrid. Getting 25 Str from scrolls on a warrior overall would give you over 30 Str. The other 10 could be reset via Trade. 10% chance of getting 5/10 30%s to work. :D Not that hard. :P
TLeviathan
2008-07-02, 09:53 PM
You can try Trade-Merchating, or you can keep your high-Dex and try to make it up with overall STR scrolls. xP
Course, 40 Str on a Sauna is less than a 1% chance of happening... Lol.
Get a Warrior overall with 7 or so Str. xP Now you're up to 3.6% chance of getting to to 40 Str. XD
Hmm, both seem hard, I say go hybrid. Getting 25 Str from scrolls on a warrior overall would give you over 30 Str. The other 10 could be reset via Trade. 10% chance of getting 5/10 30%s to work. :D Not that hard. :P
I'd take my chances with the MTS rather than scrolling a str overall. As it is, the difference between a good top/bottom and a good overall isn't very great (and if the TS is resetting dex before switching to a top/bottom from dex overall, he should do that first). You get 5 resets for a 10att wg (and a little leftover nx) which isn't horrible (at least it's not real money).
Jirai
2008-07-02, 10:25 PM
The thing with MTS merchanting is that I'm not exactly rich meso-wise either.
A large portion of my money goes towards potions for training.
TLeviathan
2008-07-02, 10:39 PM
The thing with MTS merchanting is that I'm not exactly rich meso-wise either.
A large portion of my money goes towards potions for training.
Hunt then, is my suggestion. At the least it's something to work towards while you're on MS. You could go out and get a part time job and nail the nx pretty quickly, but if you'd rather not, I suggest you earn the mesos ingame (or just fork over the real cash).
solid_ice8
2008-07-02, 10:48 PM
do quests and mts the scrolls
10%/60% glove atk/staff/wand/claw/crossbow/bow
30% overall int/luck/dex
all of these can be gotten from quests
of course staff/wand/dagger/claw/bow/xbow will depend on your class in terms of level 40 quests
the 30%'s are 100% rewards from lv80+ showa quests and vic quest
Jirai
2008-07-03, 12:09 AM
Hunting is my best best. Recently I've just become a quest hoar, so I've done pretty much every worthwhile quest.
(D-_-)-D
2008-07-03, 12:50 AM
Wait for a sale.
If you a sader/wk hope for a price drop on rigbol
Also, higher dex allows you the awesome taru spirit cape.
Stereo
2008-07-03, 01:51 AM
Don't worry about it unless your acc exceeds what you train on.
Presumably you'd be spending mesos you earn toward improving your gear - well the MTS provides a way to turn mesos into AP resets, which in turn improves your damage.
I'd say it's definitely worth resetting, I have under 40 base dex and I could probably handle under 20 if I was optimizing my gear (right now, I'm wearing str-based items since I have excessive acc).
You can get a decent STR boost out of gear, but lowering base dex is inevitable if you want to improve your damage - overall dex scrolls are simply the best stats for the item slots. 10/30% = 5 dex 3 acc, which is worth nearly 9 STR.
You should try to focus your gear toward str/atk though before you go for resets - facestompers, str pink cape, etc. are cheaper than resetting AP. Once you've got all the attack gear you can manage, and you still have extra accuracy, you might as well go for the resets.
In the 12x range leveling up helps more than gear or base stats, if you don't have much money then don't worry about your base dex, focus mesos into training and you'll find that soon it's much easier to earn cash.
Ranylyn
2008-07-03, 02:19 AM
Offtopic: omg at Stereo's Location saying Ontario, me too! 0_o
Ontopic: Just do what you can, when you can. Resetting it 5 points at a time is decent. I had 75 dex on my page, down to 65 now. It wasn't TOO bad, as opposed to resetting it down to 40, which is ideally what I'd like to have it at endgame, and the difference is there, for sure. The only problem is that I no longer hit Zombies 100% of the time, but that's okay since I haven't trained there with my girlfriend's priest in awhile. The MTS is definitely good advice, although the profits will be lower, you'll save lots of real cash, which is the point, right?
wobbufet
2008-07-03, 02:24 AM
I did exactly the same on my DrK and I was planning to reset it too via MTS, but now I made another character I'll just let it wait...
Anyways a good way that I've recently discovered to gain lots of scrolls for MTS is hunting the new yeti mini boss. It drops Glove atk 60% / Cape INT 60% / Staff / Wand / Lots of other scrolls. If you check the avg prices on the MTS for them and put them slightly lower you'll have guaranteed quick NX.
Simon
2008-07-03, 02:30 AM
my base dex is 50, i started the character after 3rd job advancement was announced on hidden street
now with the dex earrings, ht pendant and what nots...
im planning to go dexless (of course after i get ht pendant).. which will be a LONG LONG LONG LONG LONG time, so... in the MEANtime... i MTS like EVERYTHING... trying to get 100k+ NX, im at 35k so far :P
HiiEN
2008-07-03, 02:58 AM
From what I see if you're short on meso and NX you've got quite a ways to go, but there's no rush if it doesn't overall affect your training. Accuracy only really becomes an issue when you're bossing.
wobbufet
2008-07-03, 03:30 AM
From what I see if you're short on meso and NX you've got quite a ways to go, but there's no rush if it doesn't overall affect your training. Accuracy only really becomes an issue when you're bossing.
I think accuracy is only an issue when at HT or papu, other bosses are incredibly easy to hit.
Taiketo
2008-07-03, 06:41 PM
Meep, I would wait til Christmas etc before buying any large number of AP resets. Remember how they went on sell last year? I was able to get 20 for only $25 or so...
I'd reset your dex, but not at $3.10 each.
I currently have 30 base and 138 acc before pills and an unscrolled zhelm, so I could actually reset more too, I just don't see a point at that much per reset.
I'd say reset. I had 90 base dex and 7 luk, and some points into HP/MP at 114. I started resetting; reset to 4luk and pulled everything out MP, and reset my dex to around 60 at first. I still had no problems with accuracy, but I was short on money. I started buying NX offa' friends, and eventually MTS'd a bit.
Down to 25dex right now, but enough accuracy to go dexless. It's all about if you want to reset, eventually it'll be your only upgrade left. For a damage whore like me, that means gogoreset$$. The extra damage really adds up. You're practicly gaining a level each 5 resets. You want to reset from 80 to 40dex? That's 40 points; 8 levels. In theory you'll be hopping from 120 to 128 but still have the easy leveling from 120.
Lylac
2008-07-05, 05:36 AM
If you have the money and you care that your character can hit a couple hundred damage more with power strike, then go ahead. Personally, since I'm not a damage whore, I wouldn't waste all that cash.
Beserker101
2008-07-07, 06:56 PM
My white knight has 90 base DEX (pathetically) but it is like 2 and a half years old. My currently being used fighter has 30 base DEX and I kinda wish it was lower. I'll probably start a page eventually and give it a lower base DEX, maybe like 10 or 15.
UltimaSteele
2008-07-08, 12:31 AM
Honestly, with the new equip options nowadays, being completely dexless isn't nearly as hard as it was before. I created my hero in the era where being dexless was blasphemy, that was a sin's job, so as such, I had 80 base dex. What I did was save up my NX until they had the sale on the AP resets. By the time the sale came around, I was able to afford 40 resets, (around $60?) and so now my base dex is 40. Though, I still consider it too high.. especially with a scrolled HT necklace.. >.> Oh well.
Anyway, you can do that if you have the ability, if not, it's really not that big of a deal until the higher levels. You can try and scroll an awesome str overall and show those dexless warriors who's boss. =P
Stereo
2008-07-08, 02:01 AM
As a 35 dex warrior I've considered scrolling a str/dex mix overall, lack of 60%s is throwing me off though, I do not want to get 3/4 done and break it (I have a 5/14/7, 8 slot Empress, which would be decent 60%'d @ around 15 str 14 dex 7 acc)
I'm doubting the chances of me ever getting a HT necklace, Paladins are just not the right class for Horntail and I'm not likely to hit 18x+ any time this decade.
I've just kinda stopped worrying about dex onto my gear since it's a big step up from dex overall at this point, but I might get into it now that I can step off a str+dex overall instead of resetting base dex, and also things like face accessories are coming into play which don't have to replace my existing gear.
I worked hard to keep my low dex - I used a dex glove for near 70 levels, and trained at Dual Pirates into my 11x. Feels a bit off to me that people can just reset it down and get the advantage without the struggles. Oh well.
^ You're telling me. I did up to 132 at gobies. :f4:
Really though, if you want to get the maximum potential out of your character, reset dex. But only if you really want to / can afford it. :eek:
Stereo
2008-07-08, 05:19 AM
Yeah, if I ever get my hands on an unbeatable weapon (+7 30% Morningstar, etc.) then I'll consider it, right now it's much more affordable to upgrade my other gear for atk/str.
Yeah, if I ever get my hands on an unbeatable weapon (+7 30% Morningstar, etc.) then I'll consider it, right now it's much more affordable to upgrade my other gear for atk/str.
True. But even before that; you can always buy NX from friends. The 25k : 50m ratio I usually buy for is pretty much ~7 STR for 50m, right now that's the cheapest possible upgrade for me considering I'm near my end-game equips already.
In beta 100 base dex was average so when I had to start over on GMS you can guess my base dex became 100 again. Over some time I found out about you could get lower base dex and get accuracy from equips I didnt reset all at once just a few points every few months but now I'm at 4 base dex. If I where you I'd probably reset the way I did but that also depends on how much money you got to spend. Also there wasnt MTS when I did it so that might make things easier too.
Wait till Black Friday. AP Resets will be much, much cheaper. Don't quit that ajklsdaksjd hero though >:[
ThisIsSal
2008-07-08, 07:48 PM
eh, my DK was started within two minutes of Mardia opening, and I didn't think i was going to be able to manage incredibly low base dex, so i had raised it to 29 by the time i quit at 26. then i quit it for a bandit.
when i came back to it, i reset all the dex. it was -definitely- worth it.
PJness
2008-07-08, 09:58 PM
I got 30 base dex on my level 66 speargirl. I don't regret not going complete dexless though, since I'm usually poor.
~Greetings PJ!
Findings
2008-07-09, 03:24 AM
I would reset it or restart. No point in training to make yourself stronger when your biggest weakness lies in your base stats. I started out with 15 DEX, doubting I would be able to manage it, but fortunately always got the appropriate gear and never had to raise past it. I reset to 12 awhile ago, and still have some extra accuracy. I don't understand why people put so much into it, I have a few decent pieces of equipment and the rest crap (not a merchant or meso buyer), and I've never encountered any problems involving missing.
Cardboardsnail
2008-07-09, 03:26 PM
I would reset it or restart. No point in training to make yourself stronger when your biggest weakness lies in your base stats.
Why? I thought the point of maple is to reach level 200, not to extract every last bit of damage you can from your stats
It doesn't matter if you hit less than someone with lower dex than you if you still kill what you train on in the same number of hits as them
Of course, if it takes you 1 or more hits than someone else, THEN there's room for improvement
Porphion
2008-07-09, 03:32 PM
My Page has a whopping 70 DEX, as well as max HP recovery. Made him at the launch of Broa, using a money-saving build. Never thought I'd get him to level 63.
My Spearman has 40 base DEX at the moment, and I may drop a few points if I can get some decently scrolled equips. I have a 6 STR clean dark crusader chainmail that I got from a friend, but I don't have the funds to scroll it currently.
JimmyEmu
2008-07-09, 03:35 PM
My Page has a whopping 70 DEX, as well as max HP recovery. Made him at the launch of Broa, using a money-saving build. Never thought I'd get him to level 63.
My Spearman has 40 base DEX at the moment, and I may drop a few points if I can get some decently scrolled equips. I have a 6 STR clean dark crusader chainmail that I got from a friend, but I don't have the funds to scroll it currently.
70 dex at level 63? You should be fine if you just keep it at that. My girlfriend DK has 70 dex D:
Findings
2008-07-10, 04:38 AM
Why? I thought the point of maple is to reach level 200, not to extract every last bit of damage you can from your stats
The point of Maple Story is to simply have fun, considering it's a videogame, so I wouldn't say it has a specific point, as people enjoy doing different things. Considering he's only level 120, I figured he didn't train often enough to play for the purpose of getting to the max level or for ranks, but maybe I'm wrong and he made his character a month ago or something. Most people just do the best they can manage, which usually involves trying to optimize equipment/stats and increase exp rate (which, fyi, will allow you to get to 200 faster) as much as possible. I mean, why else would he make the topic if he wasn't concerned with his stats?
It doesn't matter if you hit less than someone with lower dex than you if you still kill what you train on in the same number of hits as them
You vastly underestimate the power of an additional 40 STR.
Stereo
2008-07-10, 12:57 PM
It doesn't matter if you hit less than someone with lower dex than you if you still kill what you train on in the same number of hits as them
Of course, if it takes you 1 or more hits than someone else, THEN there's room for improvement
As a BW WK, there's a very large opportunity for that kind of thing. I currently kill Blue Wyverns in 3~10 hits or so, any extra str/atk helps reduce the chance of the higher numbers.
On stuff with lower hp (eg. Dual Pirates - I 2-5 hit KO them) it would take a lot more to improve - I'd need ~28 w.atk to get my max down to 4 hits. Extra damage still helps my chances of doing those 2-4 hit KOs, though.
Djinn
2008-07-11, 12:52 AM
If you really care a whole lot about damage or if you are super weak I suggest you lower it, but if you just want to play and screw what other people think you could use the money to buy something else.
Porphion
2008-07-11, 03:41 AM
70 dex at level 63? You should be fine if you just keep it at that. My girlfriend DK has 70 dex D:
I'm not even bothering with my Page any longer. I'd gladly transfer him over to Scania, however, Nexon seems to think I've been banned, though I'm certain I never have. The only response I got from them was "We are aware of this bug are are currently working to correct it." Or something of that nature.
But yeah, screw my Page.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.1.10 Copyright © 2012 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.