I/L wizard advice plz?

[xxxeurekaxxx]

ok so im level 34 with 12 points on lightning and 1 on teleport.

1. im thinking of maxing meditation after lightning (for cpq) then cold beam... is this wise or should i max something else before meditation?

2. Carnivle PQ is a high pain in the ass... so far i stick in channel 1 saying J>PQ for like 10 minutes with the same people kicking me, then inviting me then once again kicking me again.. any one got some advice on how to get into pq's with out this long wait or is there a much more fun training area i can go to with lots of enemies?

any help or advice would be very helpfull

[USMC]

Ih you haven't noticed, all mobs in cpq are strong against lightning, so thunder bolt is not as effective as you may think. However if you're hitting mobs of 6 thunder bolt can still outdamage cold beam. And you can act as a mob controller/lurer. Control and lure the mobs so other classes like warrior can mob to their max potential(in rooom 3/4)

As for how to get into a party quick, make your own party. Quickly invite 3other ppl of similar level/strength and divide them into 2parties, and TW. Make the stronger one into your party(if you're the weaker one).

[xxxeurekaxxx]

Ih you haven't noticed, all mobs in cpq are strong against lightning, so thunder bolt is not as effective as you may think. However if you're hitting mobs of 6 thunder bolt can still outdamage cold beam. And you can act as a mob controller/lurer. Control and lure the mobs so other classes like warrior can mob to their max potential(in rooom 3/4)

As for how to get into a party quick, make your own party. Quickly invite 3other ppl of similar level/strength and divide them into 2parties, and TW. Make the stronger one into your party(if you're the weaker one).

yea this is a problem, for some reason when i invite people they dont seem to recieve the invite... well according to what they tell me... but thx for the advice, i did no that lightning bolt isint as good as i thaught but i didint no they where actually strong to lightning (explains the 1's im getting). but yea i can see the luring thing work, ive also noticed that ligthning bolt actually has knockback its kinda small but if you can use it right it can be done in your advantage. but its only in rare cases

[kingdj333]

^^^^ everything he said.

I think you shouldn't max medi yet, not until your 5x or something. Start maxing out ice beam and leave lightning at level 14 since at level 15 the mp cost gets higher(?) *sorry I never maxed lightning*

Now about your issues with getting into a party, well that's how cpq works. First of you should of known that they wouldn't party you unless their your buddy or their TW. The best way around this situation is to go train. in Amoria the jr. cielions are excelent exp (40% an hour) and it only drops 2% every level up. This is great cause even at level 40 theystill won't party you.

So don't max lightning just max cold beam and and medi and your set for 2nd job

[xxxeurekaxxx]

^^^^ everything he said.

I think you shouldn't max medi yet, not until your 5x or something. Start maxing out ice beam and leave lightning at level 14 since at level 15 the mp cost gets higher(?) *sorry I never maxed lightning*

Now about your issues with getting into a party, well that's how cpq works. First of you should of known that they wouldn't party you unless their your buddy or their TW. The best way around this situation is to go train. in Amoria the jr. cielions are excelent exp (40% an hour) and it only drops 2% every level up. This is great cause even at level 40 theystill won't party you.

So don't max lightning just max cold beam and and medi and your set for 2nd job

I respect your advice and im thankfull for it but i kinda have to disagree with you skill wise... you see many if not all 3rd job 4th job I/L all told me to rather max out lightning or cold beam first thing, i no about the mp rise but at my current level 40 mp is seriously nothing and maxed out lightning bolt does alot off dmg and can make training quick, Ice Beam freezes monsters for 1 to 2 seconds (or more not to shure) and does more dmg then thunder bolt but is single shot, so basicly they both balance out... i preferd mobbing over single shots because it fits my style of play. besides im planing to max out everything exept slow, im gona completly ignore it... (if my calculations are correct i should just have anaugh) but again thanks for the advice, il check out that amoria training spot

[Jormungandr]

Lightning mp costs doubles at lvl 16, so many people decide to leave it there instead of paying double for 2atk extra and save points.

CB used to be maxed first due to no cpq and there wasnt many good places for lightning to train. Since cpq is out, I guess the best method is to lightning then medi, but only if you're in room 3/4. In room 1/2 the mobs are more spread out, making CB more useful, and the rombots in 5/6 are very hard to kill with lightning.

At around 4x-5x you can try lorangs, nice big map to mob with lightning.

Personally I maxed CB first, then lightning then medi. Cb was for ludipq and lightning was for training later on. But I'm not sure what i/l do now with all the new stuff available to them.

[Tykian]

With all the new stuff available, the skill that you SHOULDNT max in 2nd job IS cold beam. Max lightning, then medi, by then, you'll cruise through CPQ, and there are tons of places to train with lightning.

Retz
Truckers
Slimy's
Anywheres you find large mobs with decent exp rates, check the Magician Training Reference Guide for your level.

Between Retz, CPQ, and a couple good quests 30-50 = no problem. But for the love of the gods, do not touch cold beam. I made an I/L before the one I'm working on now, he has cold beam, and I regret it. I wish I had left it for Slow, which would make me helpful at bosses. Also, check the mobs you're going to be training at, if they have low MP, get teleport after Meditation, and you will save on MP pots, because teleports at level 1 are really expensive, but if the mobs you are training on have decent mp, then mp eater might be the way to go. Think practically, and don't center your character for CPQ, because he's not gonna be able to cpq forever. Remember, at level 70, you'll get 1 ice strike, and then you can freeze the entire mob that you're going to lightning, not just 1 target.

Hope some of this helped,

~Tykian

[xxxeurekaxxx]

With all the new stuff available, the skill that you SHOULDNT max in 2nd job IS cold beam. Max lightning, then medi, by then, you'll cruise through CPQ, and there are tons of places to train with lightning.

Retz
Truckers
Slimy's
Anywheres you find large mobs with decent exp rates, check the Magician Training Reference Guide for your level.

Between Retz, CPQ, and a couple good quests 30-50 = no problem. But for the love of the gods, do not touch cold beam. I made an I/L before the one I'm working on now, he has cold beam, and I regret it. I wish I had left it for Slow, which would make me helpful at bosses. Also, check the mobs you're going to be training at, if they have low MP, get teleport after Meditation, and you will save on MP pots, because teleports at level 1 are really expensive, but if the mobs you are training on have decent mp, then mp eater might be the way to go. Think practically, and don't center your character for CPQ, because he's not gonna be able to cpq forever. Remember, at level 70, you'll get 1 ice strike, and then you can freeze the entire mob that you're going to lightning, not just 1 target.

Hope some of this helped,

~Tykian
actually this gave me alot of help, i allways thaught slow was an extremly ussless attack but what you sai dmade me re-think my skill stradegy.
thx man

[Jormungandr]

Personally, I still see no use for slow lmao. No boss you fight even requires that, providing you're fighting a moving boss at all.

As for IS, sure it freezes 6 monsters at lvl 1, but at what cost? The range for lvl 1 IS is so small it's not even funny. Range is basically if I can touch it with my wand/staff I can hit it with IS. It's the most useless skill until the range improves greatly. And it needs to hit 16 before it even outdamages lightning.

[Eos]

actually this gave me alot of help, i allways thaught slow was an extremly ussless attack but what you sai dmade me re-think my skill stradegy.
thx man

I chose to skip medi and keep slow, CB and IS. Meditate doesn't give you anything a potion can't give you better. Wizard Potions, Ssiws Cheese, Subani's Cauldrons, even apples. Medi might be "free" but I'll take better pots plus the option to slow opponents any day.

[xxxeurekaxxx]

I chose to skip medi and keep slow, CB and IS. Meditate doesn't give you anything a potion can't give you better. Wizard Potions, Ssiws Cheese, Subani's Cauldrons, even apples. Medi might be "free" but I'll take better pots plus the option to slow opponents any day.
true but it does buff party, i might go half half, half slow half medi

[modular]

Personally, I still see no use for slow lmao. No boss you fight even requires that, providing you're fighting a moving boss at all.

everybody greatly appreciates a slowed grog in apq. everybody greatly appreciates a slowed pap, especially when you/your party have a hard time kbing him.

eureka, either max one or the other but dont go half n half. neither skill will be very useful unmaxed. i would certainly regret doing that.

[ElectricSix]

I'd go cold beam first, then when you hit 3rd job you can add slow. After all, the main uses as far as slowing bosses don't happen til later on into 3rd job/early 4th job anyway. As a training feature, your Ice attacks will do the job until then. So I would make sure you Max Amp, Ice Strike, Booster, Seal, and Partial Resistance first. Though you could just get one point in Partial Resistance and then throw the other points elsewhere if you'd like.

Anyway, The main reason for doing this, is that Thunderspear and Comp Arrow aren't all that great. Thunderspear gets replaced with Chain Lightning and Comp arrow sucks if you ever end up using an Elemental weapon, and even if you don't, it's replaced on most monsters with Chain Lightning as well. Cold Beam, on the other hand, can come in handy once you start your Ice Strike training for taking out a stray monster. Yes, you could use Ice Strike to do the same thing, but there are times you don't want to have such a far reaching area attack or times when you don't want quite as slow of an attack, pre booster levels. If you max all the skills I suggested above, and leave out Comp and Thunderspear, by the end of the 3rd job you should have 31 extra points, more than enough to max out slow and get some points in any other skills you want to have for fun.

[Jormungandr]

everybody greatly appreciates a slowed grog in apq. everybody greatly appreciates a slowed pap, especially when you/your party have a hard time kbing him.

eureka, either max one or the other but dont go half n half. neither skill will be very useful unmaxed. i would certainly regret doing that.

Agreed, max either one or the other, neither does any good half max.

As for slow, while everyone does appreciate it, I wouldn't skip a skill for it, especially if it's only use is making people happy at apq. As for pap, well it's already pretty slow. If you're soloing, 1 body hit won't kill you. If you're partying with people who are having a hard time, maybe it comes in handy? But still if those are the best uses for slow I'd rather take a skill like CB or medi.

As for medi being replaceble with the wizard elixers, there was a thread/discussion on that a long time ago, you can trade medi in exchange for the elixers, but then it doesn't become a party skill, but then again it only affects mages =/

[Eos]

true but it does buff party, i might go half half, half slow half medi

Right, because every party member wants a 10 point buff wiping out their 20 point pot every time some idiot with half assed meditate macros it on accident.

:f3:

Affecting others is as much a curse as it is "useful". Nothing pisses me off more than having some mage meditate over an apple, or even a ssiws cheese, during a boss fight.

[WhiteKnight]

Right, because every party member wants a 10 point buff wiping out their 20 point pot every time some idiot with half assed meditate macros it on accident.

:f3:

Affecting others is as much a curse as it is "useful". Nothing pisses me off more than having some mage meditate over an apple, or even a ssiws cheese, during a boss fight.

I agree 100% but with saders and rage.:f3: I even tell them that I don't want rage but they still do it over and over again.

[Morgana]

As for IS, sure it freezes 6 monsters at lvl 1, but at what cost? The range for lvl 1 IS is so small it's not even funny. Range is basically if I can touch it with my wand/staff I can hit it with IS. It's the most useless skill until the range improves greatly. And it needs to hit 16 before it even outdamages lightning.

Don't complain. SR has the same range, and it doesn't increase. :f3:

As for Medi at bosses, as a bishop, it saves me some pots. It's only like 30-50k's worth over the entire run, though... Or at least the time I'm attacking seriously (Zak arms, mainly).

Also, it's really effing annoying when mages don't know how to use party skills, because they cast Medi on me half the time, then don't bother to make sure I get buffed later on, so I have to use a pot. Then they cancel the pot 30 seconds later with Medi. :f7: Anyway, if you're going to get Medi, learn how to watch buff timers and make sure a party member gets buffed... as most mages don't, I'm sure, since they're used to not partying with anyone who could benefit from Medi.

If I ever made a mage, I'd probably skip Medi... even on an F/P, where skipping MP Eater would probably be cheaper, pots-wise. I find that a passive MP Eater is more useful and non-obtrusive (except for sometimes causing slight lag) than Medi is.

[Gstatue]

Agreed, max either one or the other, neither does any good half max.

As for slow, while everyone does appreciate it, I wouldn't skip a skill for it, especially if it's only use is making people happy at apq. As for pap, well it's already pretty slow. If you're soloing, 1 body hit won't kill you. If you're partying with people who are having a hard time, maybe it comes in handy? But still if those are the best uses for slow I'd rather take a skill like CB or medi.

As for medi being replaceble with the wizard elixers, there was a thread/discussion on that a long time ago, you can trade medi in exchange for the elixers, but then it doesn't become a party skill, but then again it only affects mages =/

Er...you can skip TS/compo in 3rd for slow. Not like those moves really...get used anymore. Slow helps during geist, when the party sucks at coordinating, you could just take the KB with slow and basically solo it for a bit. Late 13x's, when your CL can do enough to KB pap, slow helps in pinning it. A body hit might not kill you, but when he dispels, you don't get those damage invincibility frames. You can die. Slow helps to prevent that, at least until you can tank top bombs or something.

Medi sucks. Replaceable by an elixer, only reason I have it is because it was my build soso long ago. Party skill or not, it's really pointless.

[xxxeurekaxxx]

first of all, could you guyz try not to have major fights on my post? from what ive read skills all depend on how the players plays the game, depending if your more a soloist or a partyer the skills will be ussfell or garbage, im a partyer/mobor so hitting multiple enemies and party/single buffs suite me well. so for me TB and MED would be handy and used WISELY, truste me im far ahead of you guyz im allready training my self to watch buffs so when i do i can buff in perfect timing.
here is my current plan

lvl
30- 1 p TB
31- 1 p TELE 2 p TB
32 to 40- max out TB
41- 3 p MP eater
42 to 48 - Max MED + 1 CB
49 to 58 - MAX CB + 1 tele
59 to 64 - MAX tele
65 to 70 - MAX MP EATER

for my stats
for 4 levels all int
5th on luck
so
int int int int luk int int int int luk ect

i guess i should have put this on to begining off the post. theres more complicated calculations but i am to lazy to post them.
Im also Planing to get maple weapons and esther shield (or other mage shields) so any help on acquiring this would be helpfull as well

btw NEW FORUM LAYOUT FTW! :glitter: