Vipers are godly oO

[DrRusty]

I came across these videos when they were first added to youtube (a little over a week ago). Not many people have seen them, and they're probably, in my opinion anyway, the best viper (infigher) videos out right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EluYMd83hnE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay1LgKXPBIw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H0ghxVmj4o&feature=related

[wobbufet]

Whoa they seem to be really strong, or at least decently strong after these movies, I <3 the skills...

[Mark]

Pap got his shit ruined.

The Viper at Newties is also a sweet video.

[pso_kik]

Why was the Pianus asleep in the second video? >_>

[wobbufet]

Why was the Pianus asleep in the second video? >_>

I'm not sure what causes it but it's happened to me before too. Some kind of glitch I suppose.

[Cardboardsnail]

o_o

That is....wow.

And sleeping pianus? o_o

[Berzerk]

Yupp, I can't wait to be a Viper. They look so fun. And the damage they do at Pap is amazing. o.o

[Mira]

I can't wait untill I can party with some vips. :)

[Phoenix]

Why was the Pianus asleep in the second video? >_>

I've seen it happen once only in GMS =/ I assumed it was glitched...or that it ran out of MP LOL?

By the Video poster's comments, it seems it can be triggered oO

The attacks do seem very strong, as long as they are in their morphed forums...which unfortunately have cooldowns. I'm wondering taking that into consideration if their dps would be comparable to other classes.

[Hana]

After Fiel pointed out their weaknesses, pirates is just a class that's flashy, nothing else.

[DrRusty]

After Fiel pointed out their weaknesses, pirates is just a class that's flashy, nothing else.

it seems like they're pretty slow at training, but they're damn good at bosses.

[Valarius]

it seems like they're pretty slow at training, but they're damn good at bosses.

Was just thinking this, after watching the Pap then the Newtie video.

Their weakness @ training fast is completely obvious, but their very high on dps.

[wobbufet]

In this vid you can see a 12x viper 1hkoing newties. Weakness @ training? I'm not so sure about that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_9MEwTsbEQ&feature=user

[Valarius]

In this vid you can see a 12x viper 1hkoing newties. Weakness @ training? I'm not so sure about that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_9MEwTsbEQ&feature=user

Maybe i'm just tired, but it seems like the skill animation is a bit long for my liking.

Captains dont look too impressive. Vipers > Captains.

[wobbufet]

Maybe i'm just tired, but it seems like the skill animation is a bit long for my liking.

Captains dont look too impressive. Vipers > Captains.

I have to agree with you on that. And yes the skill animation is a bit long but still... what class can 1hko newties at lvl 12x? =o

[Skylit]

Yay my shadower looks useless now.

[wobbufet]

Yay my shadower looks useless now.

Don't be silly, you can always be a seduce mule >_____>

[Skylit]

Don't be silly, you can always be a seduce mule >_____>

lol warriors are usually seduce mules, due to 90% stance :( that shit is like bs+ asssasinate at super speed.....

[wobbufet]

You can always start over :B

[Tiffany]

I don't know but I guess their alright.. Damage is nice but speed is kind of lame.

[Devil]

Yay my shadower looks useless now.I agree with you, after seeing the Papulatus vid, I conclude Nexon made this class too overpowered...

LOL -every-, I repeat, EVERY other class just got owned of being more usefull in ANY way at bosses...

- 6 Vipers partying = 6x Cooldown cancelled of Super Transform... -.-
- Apparently, Windbooster makes demolition have DK's Crusher speed with no cooldown like Bstep. Altough I'm not sure if Bstep will get speeded up with Wind Booster the same way though...

Anyway, at bosses, say goodbye to:
- Night Lords (Weak HP - Need HB to survive at HT / Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party)
- Hero's (Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party)
- Paladins (Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party)
- Dark Knights (Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party / No need for HB, Viper parties have lots of HP from themselves)
- Bowmasters (Weak HP - Need HB to survive at HT / Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party)
- Crossbowmasters (Weak HP - Need HB to survive at HT / Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party)
- Mage classes (Don't even start, they do like 1/10th damage of a Transformed Viper Party at bosses...)

Semi - usefull classes to party with Vipers:
- Bishops - Are only needed for revive, if some Viper lags a bit and died because of that... Maybe usefull at Horntail...maybe...
- Shadowers - CAN be semi usefull for Vipers - 1x Smokescreen + 5x Time Leap results in 6 minutes of godmode. If 5 Vipers + 1 Shadower can kill a boss in 6 minutes, then they don't need -ANY- HP pots (Ultra Cheap Bossing!).
- Sharp Eyes classes - No real need for SE, 1 extra Viper = 1 extra Timeleap row of 5 Vipers for Super Transform - Super Transform = more damage then SE. Although, they are not completely useless like all other classes... Besides that, bringing 1 SE mule, means also that you need a HB mule too at Horntail, resulting in 2 less Vipers for Time Leap... a no-go for Horntail scenario I guess...

----------------------

Let me project a Viper party with Time Leap + Super Transform + Demolition:

6 Viper Party:

0------{R}-------------------------10---------------------------------20----
+2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 1 ST---- TL-ST- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 2 ST---- ST---- TL-ST- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 3 ST---- ST---- ST---- TL-ST- ST---- ST---- ST---- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 4 ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- TL-ST- ST---- ST---- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 5 ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- TL-ST- ST---- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 6 ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- TL-ST- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]

Resulting in:
- At the start - 10 minutes continuous "Super Transform + Demolition" of 6 Vipers
- After the first Time Leap: 16 out of every 20 minutes "Super Transform + Demolition" of 6 Vipers
- After the first Time Leap: 4 out of every 20 minutes normal attacking with "First"

-- The 16 out of 20 minutes "Super Transform + Demolition" can be repeated till the boss is dead.

Conclusion:
For as far as I can see now, when Vipers will come to gMS (Note: Players need to train to lvl 120 first also...), they're always more valuable at high level bosses then ANY other classes today...

I hope I'm wrong about this, but I hardly doubt it...

[Skylit]

I agree with you, after seeing the Papulatus vid, I conclude Nexon made this class too overpowered...

LOL -every-, I repeat, EVERY other class just got owned of being more usefull in ANY way at bosses...

- 6 Vipers partying = 6x Cooldown cancelled of Super Transform... -.-
- Apparently, Windbooster makes demolition have DK's Crusher speed with no cooldown like Bstep. Altough I'm not sure if Bstep will get speeded up with Wind Booster the same way though...


Bstep wont possibly because your using a FAST 4 or 3 dagger, and with 3 being the fastest speed which aint even different from a fast 4 dagger w/ booster. yea shadowers get fucked over by pirates. f fucking 7

Windbooster

hero w/ normal speed high attack swords.. are hax w/ pirates. (normal 6)

NL's most likely wont get any speed boost due to fast 3 being the fastest. so its w/e (Fast 4)

Bowmaster mite get a speed boost w/ SoA (Normal 5)

lol marksman w/ strafe. GG (normal 5)

even Drk's will do more DPS then shadowers rofl. (slow 7)

conclusion: Im not sure, but Im positive (faster 3) is the highest speed possible atm unless nexon changes that, which in theory wont effect claws and daggers Since max speed is shared with fast 4 and faster 3 with daggers/claws using booster.

wee gg nexon f7

[nrg]

I'm so making a pirate now..

[Sora]

I agree with you, after seeing the Papulatus vid, I conclude Nexon made this class too overpowered...

LOL -every-, I repeat, EVERY other class just got owned of being more usefull in ANY way at bosses...

- 6 Vipers partying = 6x Cooldown cancelled of Super Transform... -.-
- Apparently, Windbooster makes demolition have DK's Crusher speed with no cooldown like Bstep. Altough I'm not sure if Bstep will get speeded up with Wind Booster the same way though...

Anyway, at bosses, say goodbye to:
- Night Lords (Weak HP - Need HB to survive at HT / Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party)
- Hero's (Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party)
- Paladins (Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party)
- Dark Knights (Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party / No need for HB, Viper parties have lots of HP from themselves)
- Bowmasters (Weak HP - Need HB to survive at HT / Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party)
- Crossbowmasters (Weak HP - Need HB to survive at HT / Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party)
- Mage classes (Don't even start, they do like 1/10th damage of a Transformed Viper Party at bosses...)

Semi - usefull classes to party with Vipers:
- Bishops - Are only needed for revive, if some Viper lags a bit and died because of that... Maybe usefull at Horntail...maybe...
- Shadowers - CAN be semi usefull for Vipers - 1x Smokescreen + 5x Time Leap results in 6 minutes of godmode. If 5 Vipers + 1 Shadower can kill a boss in 6 minutes, then they don't need -ANY- HP pots (Ultra Cheap Bossing!).
- Sharp Eyes classes - No real need for SE, 1 extra Viper = 1 extra Timeleap row of 5 Vipers for Super Transform - Super Transform = more damage then SE. Although, they are not completely useless like all other classes... Besides that, bringing 1 SE mule, means also that you need a HB mule too at Horntail, resulting in 2 less Vipers for Time Leap... a no-go for Horntail scenario I guess...

----------------------

Let me project a Viper party with Time Leap + Super Transform + Demolition:

6 Viper Party:

0------{R}-------------------------10---------------------------------20----
+2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 1 ST---- TL-ST- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 2 ST---- ST---- TL-ST- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 3 ST---- ST---- ST---- TL-ST- ST---- ST---- ST---- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 4 ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- TL-ST- ST---- ST---- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 5 ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- TL-ST- ST---- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 6 ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- TL-ST- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]

Resulting in:
- At the start - 10 minutes continuous "Super Transform + Demolition" of 6 Vipers
- After the first Time Leap: 16 out of every 20 minutes "Super Transform + Demolition" of 6 Vipers
- After the first Time Leap: 4 out of every 20 minutes normal attacking with "First"

-- The 16 out of 20 minutes "Super Transform + Demolition" can be repeated till the boss is dead.

Conclusion:
For as far as I can see now, when Vipers will come to gMS (Note: Players need to train to lvl 120 first also...), they're always more valuable at high level bosses then ANY other classes today...

I hope I'm wrong about this, but I hardly doubt it...

I doubt that Vipers would take over anything anytime soon, or at all. To be able to use the strategy that you've thought up, you'd need a team of at least 6 Level 160+ Vipers. They're a good boss class, yes, but they won't be taking over anything.

[Apollo]

Wow those things look pretty awesome.. they make shadowers look like nothing =/

[DrRusty]

Wow those things look pretty awesome.. they make shadowers look like nothing =/

sure they're strong, but I'm not to sure about making "shadowers look like nothing" lol. If you add up all the damage that demolition does, its actually only around 80k -100k per attack and its hardly anything I would consider fast. I think we're forgetting that assassinate can easily go to 99,999 x 4 at the same lvl as them. Even without a charge, assassinate will still do 20k-30k each hit x 4 (adds up to over 100k per assassinate) and spamming assassinate is faster than spamming demolition.

see =D

http://youtube.com/watch?v=h98A9ZXGVYY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWnW7zGQ_0c&NR=1

dont count shadowers out yet, If anything they're great than or equal to vipers at single target damage.

[Hazzy]

In this vid you can see a 12x viper 1hkoing newties. Weakness @ training? I'm not so sure about that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_9MEwTsbEQ&feature=user

Ohsnap!
I paused it at 00:33, and that hit is 94k damage, total. o__o
Another oddity, the damage grows as it gets higher. The lowest damage spacially is the lowest damage numerically. o_o


I agree with you, after seeing the Papulatus vid, I conclude Nexon made this class too overpowered...

LOL -every-, I repeat, EVERY other class just got owned of being more usefull in ANY way at bosses...

- 6 Vipers partying = 6x Cooldown cancelled of Super Transform... -.-
- Apparently, Windbooster makes demolition have DK's Crusher speed with no cooldown like Bstep. Altough I'm not sure if Bstep will get speeded up with Wind Booster the same way though...

Anyway, at bosses, say goodbye to:
- Night Lords (Weak HP - Need HB to survive at HT / Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party)
- Hero's (Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party)
- Paladins (Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party)
- Dark Knights (Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party / No need for HB, Viper parties have lots of HP from themselves)
- Bowmasters (Weak HP - Need HB to survive at HT / Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party)
- Crossbowmasters (Weak HP - Need HB to survive at HT / Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party)
- Mage classes (Don't even start, they do like 1/10th damage of a Transformed Viper Party at bosses...)

Semi - usefull classes to party with Vipers:
- Bishops - Are only needed for revive, if some Viper lags a bit and died because of that... Maybe usefull at Horntail...maybe...
- Shadowers - CAN be semi usefull for Vipers - 1x Smokescreen + 5x Time Leap results in 6 minutes of godmode. If 5 Vipers + 1 Shadower can kill a boss in 6 minutes, then they don't need -ANY- HP pots (Ultra Cheap Bossing!).
- Sharp Eyes classes - No real need for SE, 1 extra Viper = 1 extra Timeleap row of 5 Vipers for Super Transform - Super Transform = more damage then SE. Although, they are not completely useless like all other classes... Besides that, bringing 1 SE mule, means also that you need a HB mule too at Horntail, resulting in 2 less Vipers for Time Leap... a no-go for Horntail scenario I guess...

----------------------

Let me project a Viper party with Time Leap + Super Transform + Demolition:

6 Viper Party:

0------{R}-------------------------10---------------------------------20----
+2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 1 ST---- TL-ST- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 2 ST---- ST---- TL-ST- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 3 ST---- ST---- ST---- TL-ST- ST---- ST---- ST---- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 4 ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- TL-ST- ST---- ST---- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 5 ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- TL-ST- ST---- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 6 ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- TL-ST- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]

Resulting in:
- At the start - 10 minutes continuous "Super Transform + Demolition" of 6 Vipers
- After the first Time Leap: 16 out of every 20 minutes "Super Transform + Demolition" of 6 Vipers
- After the first Time Leap: 4 out of every 20 minutes normal attacking with "First"

-- The 16 out of 20 minutes "Super Transform + Demolition" can be repeated till the boss is dead.

Conclusion:
For as far as I can see now, when Vipers will come to gMS (Note: Players need to train to lvl 120 first also...), they're always more valuable at high level bosses then ANY other classes today...

I hope I'm wrong about this, but I hardly doubt it...

Huge quote, had to put it in a Spoiler. :/

I see your point, but it all depends on how much damage Vipers can really pull off, compared to other classes. We need that guy with the Dex Capping Debate Thread to add in Night Lords and Heroes for a measurement bar.

[»-Chris->]

Wow, awesome damage. The speed is a bit slow, but still...

[Hero]

Windbooster

hero w/ normal speed high attack swords.. are hax w/ pirates. (normal 6)

conclusion: Im not sure, but Im positive (faster 3) is the highest speed possible atm unless nexon changes that, which in theory wont effect claws and daggers Since max speed is shared with fast 4 and faster 3 with daggers/claws using booster.

wee gg nexon f7

If you're right about this, I'm rather pissed off at the fact I've spent millions on scrolling red katana's only for it to become useless at bosses?

[wobbufet]

I wouldn't be pissed because of something that isn't even released yet. And it's only an assumption, maybe it does work.

[Secks]

Flashing... skills... skillls...skills

[Sora]

The same guy that uploaded theese Viper videos uploaded a Captain video. It demonstrates some good Captain tactics and shows what a Captain can really do imo. Since the embedding seems to not be working for me, I'll just post the link. :f3:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4FhvPlKtr2Q

[Hazzy]

The same guy that uploaded theese Viper videos uploaded a Captain video. It demonstrates some good Captain tactics and shows what a Captain can really do imo. Since the embedding seems to not be working for me, I'll just post the link. :f3:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4FhvPlKtr2Q

This is how you embed. xD


[youtube.]4FhvPlKtr2Q[./youtube]


youtube.com/watch?v=4FhvPlKtr2Q

I struggled with it too. xD

[Sora]

This is how you embed. xD


[youtube.]4FhvPlKtr2Q[./youtube]



I struggled with it too. xD

I know how to embed. But when the video actually comes up and I press play, it says that the video isn't available.

[DrRusty]

The same guy that uploaded theese Viper videos uploaded a Captain video. It demonstrates some good Captain tactics and shows what a Captain can really do imo. Since the embedding seems to not be working for me, I'll just post the link. :f3:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4FhvPlKtr2Q

they dont look as good as bowmasters or NLs at single target damage, and their full map attack isnt as strong as mages but its stronger than dragon roar. I still think viper > captain

[Gamble]

I agree with you, after seeing the Papulatus vid, I conclude Nexon made this class too overpowered...

LOL -every-, I repeat, EVERY other class just got owned of being more usefull in ANY way at bosses...

- 6 Vipers partying = 6x Cooldown cancelled of Super Transform... -.-
- Apparently, Windbooster makes demolition have DK's Crusher speed with no cooldown like Bstep. Altough I'm not sure if Bstep will get speeded up with Wind Booster the same way though...

Anyway, at bosses, say goodbye to:
- Night Lords (Weak HP - Need HB to survive at HT / Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party)
- Hero's (Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party)
- Paladins (Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party)
- Dark Knights (Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party / No need for HB, Viper parties have lots of HP from themselves)
- Bowmasters (Weak HP - Need HB to survive at HT / Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party)
- Crossbowmasters (Weak HP - Need HB to survive at HT / Lower dps compared to Super Transformed Viper party)
- Mage classes (Don't even start, they do like 1/10th damage of a Transformed Viper Party at bosses...)

Semi - usefull classes to party with Vipers:
- Bishops - Are only needed for revive, if some Viper lags a bit and died because of that... Maybe usefull at Horntail...maybe...
- Shadowers - CAN be semi usefull for Vipers - 1x Smokescreen + 5x Time Leap results in 6 minutes of godmode. If 5 Vipers + 1 Shadower can kill a boss in 6 minutes, then they don't need -ANY- HP pots (Ultra Cheap Bossing!).
- Sharp Eyes classes - No real need for SE, 1 extra Viper = 1 extra Timeleap row of 5 Vipers for Super Transform - Super Transform = more damage then SE. Although, they are not completely useless like all other classes... Besides that, bringing 1 SE mule, means also that you need a HB mule too at Horntail, resulting in 2 less Vipers for Time Leap... a no-go for Horntail scenario I guess...

----------------------

Let me project a Viper party with Time Leap + Super Transform + Demolition:

6 Viper Party:

0------{R}-------------------------10---------------------------------20----
+2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- +2min- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 1 ST---- TL-ST- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 2 ST---- ST---- TL-ST- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 3 ST---- ST---- ST---- TL-ST- ST---- ST---- ST---- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 4 ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- TL-ST- ST---- ST---- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 5 ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- TL-ST- ST---- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]
Viper 6 ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- ST---- TL-ST- ------ ST---- ------ ST---- [REPEAT FROM {R} - TimeLeap cooldown = over]

Resulting in:
- At the start - 10 minutes continuous "Super Transform + Demolition" of 6 Vipers
- After the first Time Leap: 16 out of every 20 minutes "Super Transform + Demolition" of 6 Vipers
- After the first Time Leap: 4 out of every 20 minutes normal attacking with "First"

-- The 16 out of 20 minutes "Super Transform + Demolition" can be repeated till the boss is dead.

Conclusion:
For as far as I can see now, when Vipers will come to gMS (Note: Players need to train to lvl 120 first also...), they're always more valuable at high level bosses then ANY other classes today...

I hope I'm wrong about this, but I hardly doubt it...



Eh, does anyone have the damage formula for these classes?
I kind of find it hard to believe this is anything good, the attack is just to slow, it looks like you can throw off like 3 TT's before it can respam the attack once again, there's just no way they will be the new power house of bossing. And lol@warriors who went 1hand.

[DrRusty]

Eh, does anyone have the damage formula for these classes?
I kind of find it hard to believe this is anything good, the attack is just to slow, it looks like you can throw off like 3 TT's before it can respam the attack once again, there's just no way they will be the new power house of bossing. And lol@warriors who went 1hand.

I dont know what u meant about lol@warriors who went 1hand. Sure vipers are pretty strong, but they can't stay super transformed forever. Even when they are super transformed, demolition is just to slow to outdmg every other class. Even heros with a Fast sword (ribgol, 1H sword) I think can outdamage them.

Hell, this guys doing 50k per brandish, while those vipers are doing 100k per demolition. I'm pretty sure 2 brandish's are faster than 1 demolition.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5xkf38cICM8

Don't even mention red katanas. That would just destroy vipers DPS

[Taiketo]

For the guy lol'ing at Heroes that went 1H, the guy that posted in this topic that has a Red Katana can hit 60k brandishes with it, so uh, lol heroes that stayed 2h imo.

Anyway, these videos actually kinda disappoint me. I was thinking about making an infighter, but if there 4th jobs are as boring as they look, why bother... I thought they'd at least have some variety, but they are the same as every other class, except they all look the same too thanks to super transform...

[Tuke]

Good damage, but hella slow attacks.

[Devil]

About damage / second - That hero in the video is lvl 174, the highest Viper is lvl 165

I just did some timings:
- In 2 seconds a 2 handed hero can attack 3 times with brandish (6 attacks)
- It takes a Viper 2 seconds to attack 1x with Demolition, that are 8 attacks, not 6 (!!!)

6x 22500 avg (highest-30k / lowest 15k) = 135k dmg / 2sec - lvl 174

8x 19000 avg (highest 25k / lowest 13k) = 152k dmg / 2sec - lvl 165

So as far as I can see, Super transformed Viper Party's do more dps AND are ranged too...

Don't forget that you need a Viper party to do this continuous Super Transform + Time Leap thing, but still, their damage is the highest I've seen so far... 75k dmg / second (without criticals) = insane...

I also thought Vipers can do critical damage with demolition when they stun the monster, but since bosses can't be stunned, they can't do criticals to them...

[Greg22]

I still think they're a bit overrated. Their damage really isn't that great, and when they're not transformed, a level 140 Shadower's BStep could outdamage that 165's mob attack. They attack a LOT slower than what I've thought for the past like month. At least people can stop making fun of BStep's delay now.

From what it seems like, they're basically Shadowers with tanking attributes.

And lol@the guy who was dissing 1H Sword Heros. Take a look at all of the 2Hs who are converting to 1H.

[Skylit]

I dont know what u meant about lol@warriors who went 1hand. Sure vipers are pretty strong, but they can't stay super transformed forever. Even when they are super transformed, demolition is just to slow to outdmg every other class. Even heros with a Fast sword (ribgol, 1H sword) I think can outdamage them.

Hell, this guys doing 50k per brandish, while those vipers are doing 100k per demolition. I'm pretty sure 2 brandish's are faster than 1 demolition.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5xkf38cICM8

Don't even mention red katanas. That would just destroy vipers DPS

DS user with windbooster.. destroys katana's ._. Not sure about stonetooth tho...

[DrRusty]

DS user with windbooster.. destroys katana's ._. Not sure about stonetooth tho...

why would devil sunrise users destroy katanas? Katana is already 2 speed faster.

I've seen way to many Heros switch to 1 hand to have 2H>1H even cross my mind.

Vipers are pretty damn good at single target damage, but to say they're better than any other class is jus ridiculous.

[Skylit]

why would devil sunrise users destroy katanas? Katana is already 2 speed faster.

I've seen way to many Heros switch to 1 hand to have 2H>1H even cross my mind.

Vipers are pretty damn good at single target damage, but to say they're better than any other class is jus ridiculous.

Because , katana is Fast (4), under booster it's at the highest speed possible. now take a DS(normal6) and add windbooster and gg nexon for unbalancing! unless they actually make a speed Fastest(2) which will make Faster(3) items noticeable in speed.

Example: have you used a Faster (3) dagger and a Fast (4) dagger? w/o booster ofc you can tell the faster (3) dagger does more dps, tho add booster too both dagger's and yeah.. no differance.

[Nickish]

Fuck their Damage

its still a amazing class

[Taiketo]

Booster effects faster weapons. I fool around with my pig book all the time, I'm 100% sure booster effects it.

Anyway, how would it make DS users better if the RK user is still doing more damage per hit?

[Devil]

Because , katana is Fast (4), under booster it's at the highest speed possible. now take a DS(normal6) and add windbooster and gg nexon for unbalancing! unless they actually make a speed Fastest(2) which will make Faster(3) items noticeable in speed.

Example: have you used a Faster (3) dagger and a Fast (4) dagger? w/o booster ofc you can tell the faster (3) dagger does more dps, tho add booster too both dagger's and yeah.. no differance.Actually a Halloween basket is a Faster (3) 1 handed sword, and it IS faster then a Katana with brandish (tested it on my pserver). So yeah wbooster will speed it up...

The question is, do Vipers want to party other classes at bosses because of their Time Leap loss when there is 1 Viper less in their party?

So don't count on skills (Windbooster) at boss fights when might never get them... :(

6 Vipers will always want to stick together because of that, even Bishops can be ruled out because of that, and you can always re-make the party for a revive from 1 bishop from a "back-up" party if 1 of the Vipers dies, and kick the Bishop out of the party when his "usefullness" is done... :o

[LazyBui]

Fuck their Damage

its still a amazing classNo, it's really not. Pirates only have a couple unique abilities in function, the rest is just rehashing of other classes or sucky skills. If that's "amazing," I have lost faith in the assessment capabilities of Maple players. Maple didn't need another class.

EDIT: On topic, not bad damage at all. I was under the impression that knuckles were really low in attack, if he has a 98, that's probably really, really well-scrolled. I wouldn't use that as a benchmark for actual damage output.

[Cactuar]

No, it's really not. Pirates only have a couple unique abilities in function, the rest is just rehashing of other classes or sucky skills. If that's "amazing," I have lost faith in the assessment capabilities of Maple players. Maple didn't need another class.

EDIT: On topic, not bad damage at all. I was under the impression that knuckles were really low in attack, if he has a 98, that's probably really, really well-scrolled. I wouldn't use that as a benchmark for actual damage output.

98 ATT is 3 10%s, minimum. 74 is average so 89... then he got 9 more attack some how. Either that, or he scrolled an above average thing. He only has 8 ATT in addition to the potion and weapon so 106 ATT total. Aside from his weapon, he's not that great WATT-wise.

[Bribery]

Oh god I can't wait for all the "OVER 9000!!!!" jokes once Vipers come to GMS. :f3:

[Germ]

98 ATT is 3 10%s, minimum. 74 is average so 89... then he got 9 more attack some how. Either that, or he scrolled an above average thing. He only has 8 ATT in addition to the potion and weapon so 106 ATT total. Aside from his weapon, he's not that great WATT-wise.

Yeah, I didn't think it was to impressive even transformed.

You guys do notice that any Warrior can dish out pretty much the same damage at the level of most of these guys faster right? Everytime they whip out a combo they need to stop for a second or two. That's kinda lame.

[Renascentia]

Bstep wont possibly because your using a FAST 4 or 3 dagger, and with 3 being the fastest speed which aint even different from a fast 4 dagger w/ booster. yea shadowers get fucked over by pirates. f fucking 7

Windbooster

hero w/ normal speed high attack swords.. are hax w/ pirates. (normal 6)

NL's most likely wont get any speed boost due to fast 3 being the fastest. so its w/e (Fast 4)

Bowmaster mite get a speed boost w/ SoA (Normal 5)

lol marksman w/ strafe. GG (normal 5)

even Drk's will do more DPS then shadowers rofl. (slow 7)

conclusion: Im not sure, but Im positive (faster 3) is the highest speed possible atm unless nexon changes that, which in theory wont effect claws and daggers Since max speed is shared with fast 4 and faster 3 with daggers/claws using booster.

wee gg nexon f7

Your assumptions are always wrong just like you said a shadower could outdamage a nightlord on DPS stop trying to make shadowers look so good. Vipers are a nice addition to a melee party in horntail and any other boss nothing more.

[Greg22]

Holy shit I almost spit out my water when that one guy started comparing Dark Knights to Shadowers. What a joke. Let's not even get started on Darks.

[LazyBui]

98 ATT is 3 10%s, minimum. 74 is average so 89... then he got 9 more attack some how. Either that, or he scrolled an above average thing. He only has 8 ATT in addition to the potion and weapon so 106 ATT total. Aside from his weapon, he's not that great WATT-wise.Oh, so Vipers can actually use this as an expectation of damage? Not half bad.

[PureBalance]

About damage / second - That hero in the video is lvl 174, the highest Viper is lvl 165

I just did some timings:
- In 2 seconds a 2 handed hero can attack 3 times with brandish (6 attacks)
- It takes a Viper 2 seconds to attack 1x with Demolition, that are 8 attacks, not 6 (!!!)

6x 22500 avg (highest-30k / lowest 15k) = 135k dmg / 2sec - lvl 174

8x 19000 avg (highest 25k / lowest 13k) = 152k dmg / 2sec - lvl 165

So as far as I can see, Super transformed Viper Party's do more dps AND are ranged too...

Don't forget that you need a Viper party to do this continuous Super Transform + Time Leap thing, but still, their damage is the highest I've seen so far... 75k dmg / second (without criticals) = insane...

I also thought Vipers can do critical damage with demolition when they stun the monster, but since bosses can't be stunned, they can't do criticals to them...

That's one weak ass hero.

[Eneko]

I'm not sure what causes it but it's happened to me before too. Some kind of glitch I suppose.i think its when a monster uses a specific defence skill, it happens with the fishbone monsters to. They use there defence skill and they freeze, just stop attacking

[Acim]

I have to agree with you on that. And yes the skill animation is a bit long but still... what class can 1hko newties at lvl 12x? =o

Shadowers with Assassinate maybe? I don't know.

Anyway, that Pap video was omgwtfgodly.

[Greg22]

"Godly" Lol.
Their attacks are as slow as the average American's attention span. Vipers spend levels 120~130 putting points in to Super Transform. After that, you spend 130~140 putting points in to demolition (And you'll probably make room for wind booster somewhere down that line. Maybe even that Dragon mob attack). So you're level 142 now. All you have is super transform and one single-target destroyer. By level 150 your only Viper mobbing attack still won't be maxed.

Vipers are godly on single targets, and single targets only. Dragon has horrible damage. At level 127, my level 21 BStep can hit up to nearly 40k per monster (And up to four monsters) while a well-equipped Viper's dragon only hits up to 20k~30k at level 164. Gross.

Sorry, I need to bash on Infigheters and their overrated-ness every now and then.

[pilowman]

All i can say is,Huray.
No more bandwagon in infighters now ahh? :f2:

[Mark]

"Godly" Lol.
Their attacks are as slow as the average American's attention span. Vipers spend levels 120~130 putting points in to Super Transform. After that, you spend 130~140 putting points in to demolition (And you'll probably make room for wind booster somewhere down that line. Maybe even that Dragon mob attack). So you're level 142 now. All you have is super transform and one single-target destroyer. By level 150 your only Viper mobbing attack still won't be maxed.

Vipers are godly on single targets, and single targets only. Dragon has horrible damage. At level 127, my level 21 BStep can hit up to nearly 40k per monster (And up to four monsters) while a well-equipped Viper's dragon only hits up to 20k~30k at level 164. Gross.

Sorry, I need to bash on Infigheters and their overrated-ness every now and then.

"Halp, I need to spend 2 billion on equipments to even keep up with most classes damage."

ololol.

[Providence]

What you all fail to realize is how road runners dominate vipers.
http://www.turtletrack.org/Issues03/Co08092003/Art/Roadrunner_Snake.jpg

[Greg22]

"Halp, I need to spend 2 billion on equipments to even keep up with most classes damage."

ololol.
"Look at me I need to quit a 141 Marksman and 101 Crusader to create a character who's class will end up being just as expensive due to a ridiculous amount of bandwagoners".

ololol Mark

[DrRusty]

"Halp, I need to spend 2 billion on equipments to even keep up with most classes damage."

ololol.

how cheap do u think pirate equips are going to be? I know one of those vipers has a godly knuckle and a scrolled pendant. I'm not sure about the others equips but i know atleast that one guy is very godly.

[Laur]

Wow. I was actually never remotely interested in Pirates until seeing these. :shine:

[Dusk]

The Super Transformed Viper party would be powerful, but I really do not see "6 Vipers partied without HB or SE or HS or healing" as a realistic thing you can expect at bosses like HT. First of all, you need 6 Vipers. Second of all, you need people that are actually good enough at organizing their Time Leaps to sync.

SE still buffs their damage, even if they are Super Transformed.

[Mark]

"Look at me I need to quit a 141 Marksman and 101 Crusader to create a character who's class will end up being just as expensive due to a ridiculous amount of bandwagoners".

ololol Mark

Roffle my waffle. I didn't quit them 'cause of the money issue, I quit them because I didn't want to waste my time training. :glitter:


how cheap do u think pirate equips are going to be? I know one of those vipers has a godly knuckle and a scrolled pendant. I'm not sure about the others equips but i know atleast that one guy is very godly.

Don't mind my posts to Greg. I like to mess around with him because he always gets defensive. :excellent: I know Pirates are gonna be pricey...just for Knuckles at least. I have everything else planned out.

[ItzTaylor]

Vipers are just like shadowers... just a little cooler looking... Numbers mean nothing, you also need to add speed, cool down times, and everything else. You just can't look at damage.